Current Events > Transgender inmate had op to become a man again after 10 years in female jail.

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UnfairRepresent 10/03/18 2:03:16 PM #1:	A violent inmate who was put into a womens jail after having gender reassignment surgery was later returned to an all-male prison after having a second sex change. Describing him as the UKs happiest prisoner, one of his fellow jailbirds revealed that he got married while in the female facility. Both sex changes took place on the NHS at a cost of around 30,000, however he has been left with a micro-penis. Two fellow inmates at Foston Hall an all female facility said the situation was an open secret that had angered other jailbirds. One of them said: He had been in jail for so long everyone knew him and he was part of the furniture. We treated him like a woman, but you would not mess with him. In prison you learn fast not to get involved in other peoples business, but used to joke he must have been the happiest prisoner in England being surrounded with women every day instead of being in a horrible mans jail. He had years to get a woman. He found a Mrs, they worked together and got married inside. He spent nearly 10 years in the female jail before starting the transition back to being a man. He was given hormone treatments and reintroduced to the male population in spring this year. Another former Foston Hall inmate said: Womens jails should be for be just for women. It just did not seem right but there was nothing any of us could do to change the situation. Now knowing he is a geezer again makes me wonder if it was a long term plan. I could not get a mole removed when I was inside so how he convinced them to give him two sex changes God only knows. Penal reformer Nicola Williams, from Fair Play for Women, believes trans inmates should not be allowed into female jails. She said: This is another case that is very worrying. And this issue is we do not know how many male body transgenders are in female prisons. They have grown up as men so they deal with situations very differently than women, it is an issue of control. Males have a different way of dealing, men can be much more controlling, in prison, and women prisoners are at a natural disadvantage if it comes to a physical confrontation. Fair Play For Women have petitioned the government about womens rights in prisons concerning the transgender population. Ms Williams added: The UK government doesnt even know accurate figures for how many transgender prisoners they already have in prisons. The current estimate of 125 is self-reported by prisoners and prison governors. They do not know the criminal profiles of these trans-identified prisoners so how can they possibly assess the risk of any policy change in this area. A spokesman for the Prison Service said: We are unable to advise on the private matters of individual prisoners. The Ministry of Justice has previously said there were strict safeguards to prevent abuse of the way transgender prisoners are managed and attempts to undermine the system were rare. More than 100 prisoners have had gender reassignment since 1999 when John Pilley became Jane Anne. It was later revealed that they also wanted to return to being a man again. Last month Karen White, who was born male but identifies as a woman, confessed to two counts of sexual touching at New Hall Prison, Wakefield, an all-female jail. She has since been moved to a male prison. Full ARticle: https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/03/transgender-inmate- had-op-to-become-a-man-again-after-10-years-in-female-jail-7818605/ I'm pretty left leaning on a lot of things but I don't get why sex change surgery should be covered by nationalized healthcare. I get the argument that like heart surgery should be. But not cosmetic surgery --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:909891956] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>A violent inmate who was put into a womens jail after having gender reassignment surgery was later returned to an all-male prison after having a second sex change. Describing him as the UKs happiest prisoner, one of his fellow jailbirds revealed that he got married while in the female facility. Both sex changes took place on the NHS at a cost of around 30,000, however he has been left with a micro-penis. Two fellow inmates at Foston Hall an all female facility said the situation was an open secret that had angered other jailbirds. One of them said: He had been in jail for so long everyone knew him and he was part of the furniture. We treated him like a woman, but you would not mess with him. In prison you learn fast not to get involved in other peoples business, but used to joke he must have been the happiest prisoner in England being surrounded with women every day instead of being in a horrible mans jail. He had years to get a woman. He found a Mrs, they worked together and got married inside. He spent nearly 10 years in the female jail before starting the transition back to being a man. He was given hormone treatments and reintroduced to the male population in spring this year. Another former Foston Hall inmate said: Womens jails should be for be just for women. It just did not seem right but there was nothing any of us could do to change the situation. Now knowing he is a geezer again makes me wonder if it was a long term plan. I could not get a mole removed when I was inside so how he convinced them to give him two sex changes God only knows. Penal reformer Nicola Williams, from Fair Play for Women, believes trans inmates should not be allowed into female jails. She said: This is another case that is very worrying. And this issue is we do not know how many male body transgenders are in female prisons. They have grown up as men so they deal with situations very differently than women, it is an issue of control. Males have a different way of dealing, men can be much more controlling, in prison, and women prisoners are at a natural disadvantage if it comes to a physical confrontation. Fair Play For Women have petitioned the government about womens rights in prisons concerning the transgender population. Ms Williams added: The UK government doesnt even know accurate figures for how many transgender prisoners they already have in prisons. The current estimate of 125 is self-reported by prisoners and prison governors. They do not know the criminal profiles of these trans-identified prisoners so how can they possibly assess the risk of any policy change in this area. A spokesman for the Prison Service said: We are unable to advise on the private matters of individual prisoners. The Ministry of Justice has previously said there were strict safeguards to prevent abuse of the way transgender prisoners are managed and attempts to undermine the system were rare. More than 100 prisoners have had gender reassignment since 1999 when John Pilley became Jane Anne. It was later revealed that they also wanted to return to being a man again. Last month Karen White, who was born male but identifies as a woman, confessed to two counts of sexual touching at New Hall Prison, Wakefield, an all-female jail. She has since been moved to a male prison. Full ARticle: https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/03/transgender-inmate- had-op-to-become-a-man-again-after-10-years-in-female-jail-7818605/ I'm pretty left leaning on a lot of things but I don't get why sex change surgery should be covered by nationalized healthcare. I get the argument that like heart surgery should be. But not cosmetic surgery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/03/18 2:05:21 PM #2:	Anti-trans folk be like "See? See? It's fake!" --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:909892071] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Anti-trans folk be like "See? See? It's fake!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 10/03/18 2:05:41 PM #3:	This is why Trump won. --- House music owns. <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:909892092] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 10/03/18 2:05:56 PM #4:	Yikes --- 3DS: 1848-2391-0198 "May the Father of Understanding guide us" <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:909892107] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Yikes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 10/03/18 2:06:51 PM #5:	Guess who paid for it. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:909892154] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Guess who paid for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 10/03/18 2:08:03 PM #6:	UnfairRepresent posted... however he has been left with a micro-penis. --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:909892218] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>however he has been left with a micro-penis.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 10/03/18 2:08:29 PM #7:	What the fuck. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:909892243] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slimfizzle2 10/03/18 2:08:44 PM #8:	SageHarpuia posted... Guess who paid for it. Steve Irwin? --- Solomon Grundy wants Pants Too! <cite>slimfizzle2 posted [p:909892254] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Guess who paid for it.</quote> Steve Irwin?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 10/03/18 2:19:08 PM #9:	Doubly stunning and brave. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:909892820] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Doubly stunning and brave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/03/18 2:21:08 PM #10:	Pepys Monster posted... This is why Trump won. wut --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:909892981] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> wut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 10/03/18 2:24:52 PM #11:	UnfairRepresent posted... Pepys Monster posted... This is why Trump won. wut America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous. --- House music owns. <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:909893256] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> wut</quote> America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 10/03/18 2:28:17 PM #12:	Pepys Monster posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Pepys Monster posted... This is why Trump won. wut America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous. This was in the UK fam --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:909893464] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> wut</quote> America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous.</quote> This was in the UK fam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 10/03/18 2:31:42 PM #13:	SageHarpuia posted... Pepys Monster posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Pepys Monster posted... This is why Trump won. wut America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous. This was in the UK fam Yes, but it happens here too. --- House music owns. <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:909893693] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> wut</quote> America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous.</quote> This was in the UK fam</quote> Yes, but it happens here too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metro2 10/03/18 2:33:25 PM #14:	Transphobic people need to understand that most trans people aren't so lucky. Trans people are many times more likely to get abused and sexually assaulted than cis people, at least in the US. So if anyone is in danger, it's trans folk. <cite>Metro2 posted [p:909893786] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Transphobic people need to understand that most trans people aren't so lucky. Trans people are many times more likely to get abused and sexually assaulted than cis people, at least in the US. So if anyone is in danger, it's trans folk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Letron_James 10/03/18 2:35:36 PM #15:	Metro2 posted... Transphobic people need to understand that most trans people aren't so lucky. Trans people are many times more likely to get abused and sexually assaulted than cis people, at least in the US. So if anyone is in danger, it's trans folk. That might be true but we dont need to be spending thousands of dollars on them if they are prisoners. --- Ask me if I would eat da booty. <cite>Letron_James posted [p:909893926] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metro2 posted...</cite> <quote>Transphobic people need to understand that most trans people aren't so lucky. Trans people are many times more likely to get abused and sexually assaulted than cis people, at least in the US. So if anyone is in danger, it's trans folk.</quote> That might be true but we dont need to be spending thousands of dollars on them if they are prisoners.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DanHarenChamp 10/03/18 2:36:23 PM #16:	SageHarpuia posted... Pepys Monster posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Pepys Monster posted... This is why Trump won. wut America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous. This was in the UK fam THIS is why Trump won.....trump supporters can't read. --- literally the pacers <cite>DanHarenChamp posted [p:909893968] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> wut</quote> America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous.</quote> This was in the UK fam</quote> THIS is why Trump won.....trump supporters can't read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 10/03/18 2:39:35 PM #17:	Sooooo they are double trans? --- It's thinking... PSN: REexpert44 <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:909894171] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Sooooo they are double trans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 10/03/18 2:42:41 PM #18:	hockeybub89 posted... Anti-trans folk be like "See? See? It's fake!" This is literally proof that the nightmare scenario of normalizing mental disease is valid. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:909894342] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Anti-trans folk be like "See? See? It's fake!"</quote> This is literally proof that the nightmare scenario of normalizing mental disease is valid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 10/03/18 2:43:12 PM #19:	Pepys Monster posted... SageHarpuia posted... Pepys Monster posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Pepys Monster posted... This is why Trump won. wut America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous. This was in the UK fam Yes, but it happens here too. This. Chelsea Manning, anyone? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:909894363] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> wut</quote> America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous.</quote> This was in the UK fam</quote> Yes, but it happens here too.</quote> This. Chelsea Manning, anyone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/03/18 3:11:54 PM #20:	SageHarpuia posted... Pepys Monster posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Pepys Monster posted... This is why Trump won. wut America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous. This was in the UK fam Also years after Trump won.. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:909896068] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won.</quote> wut</quote> America doesn't want to pay for state-funded sex changes for prisoners anymore. The fact that this even happens is ridiculous.</quote> This was in the UK fam</quote> Also years after Trump won..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/04/18 5:58:55 PM #21:	And he was never seen again --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:909965030] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>And he was never seen again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMedz3 10/04/18 6:01:01 PM #22:	Post --- Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age <cite>SuperMedz3 posted [p:909965135] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
unpleasant_milk 10/04/18 6:03:58 PM #23:	The world has gone insane. Catering to all this garbage, and worse even, allocating resources which clearly would be better spent on more serious issues. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv <cite>unpleasant_milk posted [p:909965291] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>The world has gone insane. Catering to all this garbage, and worse even, allocating resources which clearly would be better spent on more serious issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteLevel 10/04/18 6:17:16 PM #24:	Im confused. What gender is the prisoner now? --- Judge not, lest ye be judged and get butthurt. <cite>EliteLevel posted [p:909965897] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>Im confused. What gender is the prisoner now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amazon_Shampoo 10/04/18 6:26:58 PM #25:	I'm a bit confused why the article said that trans people should not be allowed in female prisons. So if we had a pre op trans man (Female to Male) they wouldn't want them in the women's prison? It sounds like it's saying as soon as anyone identify as trans they should be sent to the men's prison. Like male prisons would be for anyone male and in between. Seems weird. <cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted [p:909966417] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote>I'm a bit confused why the article said that trans people should not be allowed in female prisons. So if we had a pre op trans man (Female to Male) they wouldn't want them in the women's prison? It sounds like it's saying as soon as anyone identify as trans they should be sent to the men's prison. Like male prisons would be for anyone male and in between. Seems weird.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/04/18 6:37:52 PM #26:	EliteLevel posted... Im confused. What gender is the prisoner now? Male --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:909967030] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>EliteLevel posted...</cite> <quote>Im confused. What gender is the prisoner now?</quote> Male</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteLevel 10/04/18 6:40:50 PM #28:	Bloodychess posted... UnfairRepresent posted... however he has been left with a nice feminine penis. FTFY --- Judge not, lest ye be judged and get butthurt. <cite>EliteLevel posted [p:909967237] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>however he has been left with a nice feminine penis.</quote></quote> FTFY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 10/04/18 6:45:01 PM #29:	Amazon_Shampoo posted... I'm a bit confused why the article said that trans people should not be allowed in female prisons. So if we had a pre op trans man (Female to Male) they wouldn't want them in the women's prison? It sounds like it's saying as soon as anyone identify as trans they should be sent to the men's prison. Like male prisons would be for anyone male and in between. Seems weird. I'm pretty sure they specifically mean male-to-female trans people. Basically, "go to the prison that corresponds to your biological sex". --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:909967476] in Transgende... [t:77063884]...</cite> <quote><cite>Amazon_Shampoo posted...</cite> <quote>I'm a bit confused why the article said that trans people should not be allowed in female prisons. So if we had a pre op trans man (Female to Male) they wouldn't want them in the women's prison? It sounds like it's saying as soon as anyone identify as trans they should be sent to the men's prison. Like male prisons would be for anyone male and in between. Seems weird.</quote> I'm pretty sure they specifically mean male-to-female trans people. Basically, "go to the prison that corresponds to your biological sex".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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