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Fallout 4 has a lot of problems, especially in some of it's writing. Which people give it a lot of flack for.

But it's still a great game. And it's not like 3 or New Vegas didn't have their own share of poor writing either.

1 and 2 I like, especially in atmosphere and tone but sadly IMO the gameplay just doesn't hold up. They remind me of games like Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights and Harvester and World Cup Italia'90.

Great games but their mechanics just didn't stand the best of time as gameplay innovation overtook 'em.

People keep screaming for a New Vegas HD remake for some reason and honestly, if you HAVE to remake a Fallout Game (why do we even need to?) I'd say put 1 and 2 together into 1 game and remake that with everything we've learned.

Fallout 4 is pretty much 3 but better and New Vegas was pretty much 3 but worse so why bother with a HD remake?

It would be like doing a HD Remake of Gears of War or Doom 2016.
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NV>4>1>3 never played 2
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Gameplay wise? Sure.

As a roleplay game, 3 and 4 basically adopted the very bland style of it Bethesda somehow went for after Oblivion and Morrowind, and 3 was probably the first real push towards a "streamlined" game.

Both are still lots of fun, but I do much prefer NV for it having vastly more ways to roleplay in it.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

NV>4>1>3 never played 2

I just don't get how you can put NV ahead of 3.

4 Okay I disagree but at least I can see the differences between the games.

But New Vegas is literally identical gameplay to 3... On a smaller map with less to do and a worse story. Also it's glitchy as fuck

I mean the Sirrea Hotel but was quite cool with some good atmosphere but that was DLC and really really short. Kinda disappointing considering how introduces some interesting characters and then just doesn't develop em
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This reminds me, I need to replay 1 and 2
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lmao
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UR topic
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NV=3>4>2>1
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eston posted...

This reminds me, I need to replay 1 and 2

You should, they are good games
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I just don't get how you can put NV ahead of 3.

I like it more

UnfairRepresent posted...

On a smaller map with less to do and a worse story. Also it's glitchy as fuck

I mean, map size =/= quality of the game, and as far as I know the maps are the same size. Besides, NV has more locations to discover than 3. Also NV has far more quests and unmarked quests (like twice the amount) so it definitely doesn't have less to do.

Far as story is concerned, that's purely subjective but I like NV's much more than 3's. Glitches have long since been fixed but if I had played it at launch I would definitely knock the game as I know it was a mess at launch.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

Far as story is concerned, that's purely subjective but I like NV's much more than 3's.

"I want to find my mysterious father and in doing so discover dark secrets that result in me saving this entire county from death"

v.s

"Some guy shot me so I'm gonna fuck around lol."

I mean if you prefer the latter then great but to me Zero Puntuation summed it up perfectly:

"everyone seemed to think I wanted to go in pursuit of the bloke who shot my brain, but I'd have thought the fact that he shot me in the brain was a fucking good reason to not pursue the guy."

It's not even like he has your baby or fucked your wife or he's your brother or anything. You're literally a courier and he stole your package.

Imagine if the plot of the next Hollywood movie was that a UPS driver gets mugged and decides to go after the guy who stole his random package for revenge!

Yeah that'll line up next to Civil War Part 2 for sure in excitement.

It's not clear at all in New Vegas who the fuck you are or why you're doing anything other than "This is a video game now jump through hoops." in terms of world-building and atmosphere it's really really bad. The worst of all 5 main games.

I mean as I said the Sierra DLC made up for that some what but the base game itself has nothing story wise. And all of the bad writing in Fallout 4 combined still doesn't measure up to how bad the writing is for the Leigon.
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okay, I still like it more
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MC_BatCommander posted...

okay, I still like it more

Fair enough.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

NV > 2 > 1 > 3 > 4

this is a much better ranking
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NV is the best new Fallout game in terms of roleplaying , FO3 and 4 fail in comparison by a large margin , especially 4
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You know, recently I was wondering if my tagging you as 'Sh!t opinions' was an exaggeration. Thanks for reminding me it's not.

DuranOfForcena posted...

NV > 2 > 1 > 3 > 4

This is objectively correct.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

NV > 2 > 1 > 3 > 4

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DarthAragorn posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

NV > 2 > 1 > 3 > 4

this is a much better ranking

I guess if you're a hipster since that's pretty much just ranking them in terms of the intentional opposite of popular opinion.

BaphometFlux posted...

NV is the best new Fallout game in terms of roleplaying ,

If you say so.

I'd argue New Vegas is incredibly restrictive in terms of Role Playing.

"Okay so you're a courier who bums around a wasteland with no purpose or motivation and all you can do is either nothing or kill things."

Real rome to roleplay there.

I'd say the fact in Fallout 4 you could go hunt down evil robots and discover dark secrets or you could literally 30 miles the other way, build a house, get a wife and run a hospital there.

Or you could just go join a random farm and live there on the condition that you harvest corn for them.

That alone is more roleplay potential than New Vegas.

I think I get what you mean in that your stats in New Vegas double up as persuasion options in dialogue. That's a cool thing that 4 dropped.

But other than that neat little detail I don't see any roleplay potential in 4. Who you are and what you can do is so limited, it's like saying you can Role-play in Halo because you "Role Play" as Master Chef
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new vegas has actual choices in dialogue so, there's that
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DarthAragorn posted...

new vegas has actual choices in dialogue so, there's that

If you say so.

Every mission was just "Kill guy, persuade/talk past guy or sneak past guy."

Which is the same in 3 or 4.

I don't remember any missions that deviated from those 3 options.

Wasn't like you talk the Rocket People into becoming sailors or anything fun or different "Choices"
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New Vegas' main story was a chore to play through. I didn't like most of the quests, particularly the "Come Fly With Me" one
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List is in reverse: 2>1>NV>3>4
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2>1>3>NV>4
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New Vegas > 3 >> 1

Haven't played the others

New Vegas wins in basically every single category. 3 is better in terms of having stuff to do while you wander aimlessly, but that's about it.
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2 > 1 > NV > 3 > 4
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I don't see how anyone could like Fallout 3's story more than NV's. I can get not particularly enjoying NV's story, but Fallout 3's is just straight up bad. As far as all the non-story quests go, NV wins by a landslide there.

As for roleplaying, I couldn't care less. But one thing is certain. Builds in NV are actually more meaningful. I think it mostly has to do with Fallout 3's poor selection of weapons in comparison to NV.
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3's story made no sense at all
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I don't see how anyone could like Fallout 3's story more than NV's.

UnfairRepresent posted...

"I want to find my mysterious father and in doing so discover dark secrets that result in me saving this entire county from death"

v.s

"Some guy shot me so I'm gonna fuck around lol."

I mean if you prefer the latter then great but to me Zero Puntuation summed it up perfectly:

"everyone seemed to think I wanted to go in pursuit of the bloke who shot my brain, but I'd have thought the fact that he shot me in the brain was a fucking good reason to not pursue the guy."

It's not even like he has your baby or fucked your wife or he's your brother or anything. You're literally a courier and he stole your package.

Imagine if the plot of the next Hollywood movie was that a UPS driver gets mugged and decides to go after the guy who stole his random package for revenge!

Yeah that'll line up next to Civil War Part 2 for sure in excitement.

It's not clear at all in New Vegas who the fuck you are or why you're doing anything other than "This is a video game now jump through hoops." in terms of world-building and atmosphere it's really really bad. The worst of all 5 main games.

I mean as I said the Sierra DLC made up for that some what but the base game itself has nothing story wise. And all of the bad writing in Fallout 4 combined still doesn't measure up to how bad the writing is for the Leigon.

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I prefer 3 to NV but NV has been easier to go back to over the years especially with mods.
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Imagine making your gimmick "Suck at arguing, fuck up topic titles, and have the worst opinions possible".
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That post doesn't really say anything meaningful. If you go by the premise of the story, then sure, I can see why you might find Fallout 3's more appealing. But then you actually get into it and realize how stupid it is.

I thought fucking around was much more intriguing than all the Project Purity nonsense.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

That post doesn't really say anything meaningful.

*rolls eyes*

"I don't see how ANYONE can prefer this story to this story."

"Here's why in detail."

"THAT'S NOT MEANINGFUL!"

Ok well specified.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

That post doesn't really say anything meaningful.

*rolls eyes*

"I don't see how ANYONE can prefer this story to this story."

"Here's why in detail."

"THAT'S NOT MEANINGFUL!"

Ok well specified.

Okay, I'll agree that saying "I don't see how anyone can prefer this story to this story" is dumb. But you didn't address anything else in my post. I just thought the post you quoted didn't accurately sum up the stories of either game.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

If you go by the premise of the story, then sure, I can see why you might find Fallout 3's more appealing. But then you actually get into it and realize how stupid it is.

This. NV's was nothing special, but 3's was just bad.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

But you didn't address anything else in my post.

But you didn't say anything else in your post other than admitting that in New Vegas you do nothing but fuck around....

So what's there to say other than "I agree with you agreeing with me."?

I just thought the post you quoted didn't really accurately sum up the stories of either game.

Why not? Explain how.
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Cardiac arrest-inducing shocker that UR posted the most contrarian ranking imaginable.
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I started Fallout 4 for the first time recently. Loving it so far. Not entirely crazy about the base building shit, tho.
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Mizznox posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

If you go by the premise of the story, then sure, I can see why you might find Fallout 3's more appealing. But then you actually get into it and realize how stupid it is.

This. NV's was nothing special, but 3's was just bad.

What was so bad about it?
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You boiled down Fallout 3's story to a single sentence to make it seem more appealing than it actually is. To someone who knows little about both games, the impression they might get from that post is that Fallout 3's story has more of a purpose, and that NV's premise is kinda shoddy. But multiple people in this topic have agreed that Fallout 3's story is nonsensical, so isn't boiling it down to that one sentence a bit dishonest?
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

You boiled down Fallout 3's story to a single sentence to make it seem more appealing than it actually is. To someone who knows little about both games, the impression they might get from that post is that Fallout 3's story has more of a purpose, and that NV's premise is kinda shoddy. But multiple people in this topic have agreed that Fallout 3's story is nonsensical, so isn't boiling it down to that one sentence a bit dishonest?

Whats so nonsensical about clean drinking water for everyone?
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

You boiled down Fallout 3's story to a single sentence to make it seem more appealing than it actually is. To someone who knows little about both games, the impression they might get from that post is that Fallout 3's story has more of a purpose, and that NV's premise is kinda shoddy.

But... That's entirely correct.

That's the 100% correct impression.

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

But multiple people in this topic have agreed that Fallout 3's story is nonsensical, so isn't boiling it down to that one sentence a bit dishonest?

All Fallout games are nonsensical at points.

1 and 2 get away with it because they half comedy

The next 3 are all more serious and I'd argue 3 and 4 make a lot more sense than New Vegas.
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Fallout 3's plot is a series of bizarre decisions with strange consequences by flat characters with little reason for behaving the exact ways they do. The world is full of dumb characters doing dumb things
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Little Lamplight

thats all
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Panthera posted...

Fallout New Vegas' plot is a series of bizarre decisions with strange consequences by flat characters with no reason for behaving the exact ways they do. The world is full of dumb characters doing dumb things

Yes
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Reminder that in Fallout 3, you must kill yourself for no reason to not be a coward

Also the final choice is literally "do the only thing that makes sense" or "kill yourself and everyone else because lulz"
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Panthera posted...

Reminder that in Fallout 3, you must kill yourself for no reason to not be a coward

No you don't.

You can get that Lyons chick to kill herself for you.

Although I do agree it was bullshit that you couldn't play after the ending or that several of your companions couldn't do it.

Thankfully that fixed that in Broken Steel

Also the final choice is literally "do the only thing that makes sense" or "kill yourself and everyone else because lulz"

I disagree considering in order to GET to that final choice you've actively made decisions that sell your character as invested.

It makes no sense that someone would get that far and then at the last second do anything other than side with the Brotherhood or the Enclave.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No you don't.

You can get that Lyons chick to kill herself for you.

Although I do agree it was bullshit that you couldn't play after the ending or that several of your companions couldn't do it.

Thankfully that fixed that in Broken Steel

No, I mean the ending will rant about what a coward you were even if (thanks to Broken Steel) you had the radiation immune Fawkes go in to do it for you, meaning you're getting judged negatively for not killing yourself to no end

UnfairRepresent posted...

I disagree considering in order to GET to that final choice you've actively made decisions that sell your character as invested.

It makes no sense that someone would get that far and then at the last second do anything other than side with the Brotherhood or the Enclave.

There's never any reason why you would side with the Enclave. Eden's entire plan is built on something that will kill you. Putting the FEV into the purifier will get you killed as well since you're not originally from the Vault and thus aren't "clean" enough to survive the virus. The end of Fallout 3 (before Broken Steel) is literally "help everyone and get to live" vs "kill everyone, myself included, just because". With Broken Steel it's "fight some evil dudes" or "blow up the dudes we've been forced to work with", which might be cathartic if you hate the Brotherhood but doesn't really make a lot of sense given how much the story treats you like you're all hardcore pro-Brotherhood (you get some dialogue options to make fun of them, but ultimately they order you around and you are forced to be obedient to make any progress).
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2 > NV/1 > who cares
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This is the most dogshit opinion I've ever read.

Fallout 1 > Fallout 2 > New Vegas >> Brotherhood of Steel >>>>> Fallout 3 = Fallout 4
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