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The Great Muta 22
09/28/18 9:58:13 PM
#51:


Funbazooka posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Funbazooka posted...

The only one being shifty is Ford.

What makes you say that?


- Can't remember the details of where or when it happened
- She supposedly lived many miles away and can't remember how she got to the party or home
- She has a bad memory, which lends me to believe she may have misremembered things
- Supposedly had a fear of flying to DC but flew everywhere

And the numerous times she couldn't answer a question in her testimony and said she doesn't remember or she doesn't know, when she should remember or know.

Shifty. Not only that but right before being questioned they allowed Ford to correct and fix her past statements.


All this just further confirms my view of you as a shitty person tbh
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frogman_295
09/28/18 10:00:02 PM
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No statute of limitations on murder only
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darkjedilink
09/28/18 10:21:12 PM
#53:


Sphyx posted...
You're only further proving my point.

But for the sake of humouring you, say i did retract the word "serious", but left my post otherwise intact. What's your argument now? Or would you focus entirely on the use of one word while ignoring the actual issue?

Where have i seen ths line of logic before?

Say you retracted the word "serious." I would argue that it's absolutely idiotic to suggest that the accusation hasn't been taken seriously. Multiple news outlets have investigated her claims, and she has testified before Congress, all based on her claims alone. People have called Kavanaugh a rapist based on nothing more than her words. People have threatened to murder his children based on nothing more than her words. A prosecutor who specializes in sex crimes, and has done so for decades, flew across the country on a few days' notice to investigate her claims.

All with ZERO evidence or witnesses to corroborate any of her claims.

To suggest the claim hasn't been taken seriously shows your partisan hackery.
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ManBeast462
09/28/18 10:22:39 PM
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Petty libruls
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averagejoel
09/28/18 10:28:49 PM
#55:


imagine being so certain you would be accused of doing that thing that you got 60 women to say in writing that you didn't do it to them
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Sphyx
09/28/18 10:37:35 PM
#56:


darkjedilink posted...

So in short, you'd continue to focus on the word even after it had been retracted.
And you think you have a point worth making.
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Funbazooka
09/28/18 10:37:56 PM
#57:


averagejoel posted...
imagine being so certain you would be accused of doing that thing that you got 60 women to say in writing that you didn't do it to them

That's a misrepresentation.

We are women who have known Brett Kavanaugh for more than 35 years and knew him while he attended high school between 1979 and 1983. For the entire time we have known Brett Kavanaugh, he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect, the letter read. We strongly believe it is important to convey this information to the Committee at this time.

The women wrote that while Kavanaugh attended Georgetown Preparatory School, an all-boys high school in Bethesda, Maryland, they knew him through social events, sports, church, and various other activities.

Many of us have remained close friends with him and his family over the years. Through the more than 35 years we have known him, Brett has stood out for his friendship, character, and integrity, they wrote. In particular, he has always treated women with decency and respect. That was true when he was in high school, and it has remained true to this day.

They added: The signers of this letter hold a broad range of political views. Many of us are not lawyers, but we know Brett Kavanaugh as a person. And he has always been a good person.

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ledbowman
09/28/18 10:38:23 PM
#58:


averagejoel posted...
imagine being so certain you would be accused of doing that thing that you got 60 women to say in writing that you didn't do it to them

And literally try to use a calendar to provide alibi.
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averagejoel
09/28/18 10:43:37 PM
#59:


ledbowman posted...
averagejoel posted...
imagine being so certain you would be accused of doing that thing that you got 60 women to say in writing that you didn't do it to them

And literally try to use a calendar to provide alibi.

imagine keeping a calendar around for 40 years
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The Great Muta 22
09/28/18 10:44:35 PM
#60:


Funbazooka posted...
averagejoel posted...
imagine being so certain you would be accused of doing that thing that you got 60 women to say in writing that you didn't do it to them

That's a misrepresentation.

We are women who have known Brett Kavanaugh for more than 35 years and knew him while he attended high school between 1979 and 1983. For the entire time we have known Brett Kavanaugh, he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect, the letter read. We strongly believe it is important to convey this information to the Committee at this time.

The women wrote that while Kavanaugh attended Georgetown Preparatory School, an all-boys high school in Bethesda, Maryland, they knew him through social events, sports, church, and various other activities.

Many of us have remained close friends with him and his family over the years. Through the more than 35 years we have known him, Brett has stood out for his friendship, character, and integrity, they wrote. In particular, he has always treated women with decency and respect. That was true when he was in high school, and it has remained true to this day.

They added: The signers of this letter hold a broad range of political views. Many of us are not lawyers, but we know Brett Kavanaugh as a person. And he has always been a good person.


You realize the majority of those women have recanted that letter, right?
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VipaGTS
09/28/18 10:44:49 PM
#61:


You feel this way about Cosby, TC?
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Villain
09/28/18 11:04:54 PM
#62:


VipaGTS posted...
You feel this way about Cosby, TC?

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nicklebro
09/28/18 11:30:14 PM
#63:


Contrary to what conservatives are saying, there is actually nothing wrong with believing Ford's accusation. You're fully allowed to believe someone did something wrong or even committed a crime even if it hasn't been proven. Acting as if your beliefs and opinions need to follow the same rules as a court of law is preposterous, otherwise you'd never be allowed to believe someone is lying or telling the truth in your personal life unless you could prove it.

In a court of law, Ford's accusation and testimony don't amount to much. But in real life? They mean as much as you think they mean, which could be less than nothing up to conclusive proof. Now this comes with the caveat that even if you fully believe Ford is telling the truth, you can't actually then say that means Kavanaugh belongs in jail. He only belongs in jail if the courts find him guilty of a crime. So you're stuck in a spot where you can believe someone is a rapist who shouldn't have any kind of legal punishment whatsoever.

It actually reminds me of the spot I was in with the trayvon Martin murder case. I believed Zimmerman was a murderer who shouldn't be found guilty of murder due to the absolutely horrendously worded laws in Florida.

But anyways, don't listen to conservatives when they tell you that you're wrong for believing Ford/disbelieving Kavanaugh. And dont listen to liberals when they say the opposite. You're allowed to come to your own conclusions as long as you keep them in the context of being your conclusions.
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Funbazooka
09/28/18 11:33:33 PM
#64:


Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong
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nicklebro
09/28/18 11:34:54 PM
#65:


Funbazooka posted...
Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong

Actually it does. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Even if you're ultimately proven wrong.
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Funbazooka
09/28/18 11:41:59 PM
#66:


nicklebro posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong

Actually it does. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Even if you're ultimately proven wrong.

There is nothing that someone could say, do, or think, that would offend you (no matter how slightly or severely) even if they are obeying the law?
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darkjedilink
09/28/18 11:45:45 PM
#67:


Sphyx posted...
darkjedilink posted...

So in short, you'd continue to focus on the word even after it had been retracted.
And you think you have a point worth making.

Are you really suggesting you didn't say to "take the accusation seriously?"

Are you now suggesting we shouldn't take it seriously?
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Sphyx
09/28/18 11:48:00 PM
#68:


darkjedilink posted...
I know... i'll DIG my way out of this hole!

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darkjedilink
09/28/18 11:49:15 PM
#69:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Funbazooka posted...
averagejoel posted...
imagine being so certain you would be accused of doing that thing that you got 60 women to say in writing that you didn't do it to them

That's a misrepresentation.

We are women who have known Brett Kavanaugh for more than 35 years and knew him while he attended high school between 1979 and 1983. For the entire time we have known Brett Kavanaugh, he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect, the letter read. We strongly believe it is important to convey this information to the Committee at this time.

The women wrote that while Kavanaugh attended Georgetown Preparatory School, an all-boys high school in Bethesda, Maryland, they knew him through social events, sports, church, and various other activities.

Many of us have remained close friends with him and his family over the years. Through the more than 35 years we have known him, Brett has stood out for his friendship, character, and integrity, they wrote. In particular, he has always treated women with decency and respect. That was true when he was in high school, and it has remained true to this day.

They added: The signers of this letter hold a broad range of political views. Many of us are not lawyers, but we know Brett Kavanaugh as a person. And he has always been a good person.

You realize the majority of those women have recanted that letter, right?

Link? This is literally the first I've heard of such.
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darkjedilink
09/28/18 11:49:54 PM
#70:


Sphyx posted...
darkjedilink posted...
I know... i'll DIG my way out of this hole!

What hole? You're the one who's avoiding answering a simple question, then trying to re-write what you posted.
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averagejoel
09/28/18 11:50:33 PM
#71:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Funbazooka posted...
averagejoel posted...
imagine being so certain you would be accused of doing that thing that you got 60 women to say in writing that you didn't do it to them

That's a misrepresentation.

We are women who have known Brett Kavanaugh for more than 35 years and knew him while he attended high school between 1979 and 1983. For the entire time we have known Brett Kavanaugh, he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect, the letter read. We strongly believe it is important to convey this information to the Committee at this time.

The women wrote that while Kavanaugh attended Georgetown Preparatory School, an all-boys high school in Bethesda, Maryland, they knew him through social events, sports, church, and various other activities.

Many of us have remained close friends with him and his family over the years. Through the more than 35 years we have known him, Brett has stood out for his friendship, character, and integrity, they wrote. In particular, he has always treated women with decency and respect. That was true when he was in high school, and it has remained true to this day.

They added: The signers of this letter hold a broad range of political views. Many of us are not lawyers, but we know Brett Kavanaugh as a person. And he has always been a good person.


You realize the majority of those women have recanted that letter, right?

not to mention how tenuous it is in the first place for him to have known 60 women that well in high school I certainly didn't, and I went to a public school with boys and girls.

for reference, there were ~450 kids, both boys and girls, in my graduating class. I have two sisters, both with large social circles. I was in the musical and choir. most of my classmates were girls. still not 60 that I would have known well
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nicklebro
09/28/18 11:57:55 PM
#72:


Funbazooka posted...
nicklebro posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong

Actually it does. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Even if you're ultimately proven wrong.

There is nothing that someone could say, do, or think, that would offend you (no matter how slightly or severely) even if they are obeying the law?

What?
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 12:24:56 AM
#73:


I'm not sure I could be any more clear on what I'm asking. I'm drunk now so that's a tall order.
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YUHH
09/29/18 12:25:24 AM
#74:


Funbazooka believes in crisis actors. Waste of time
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DragonMaster525
09/29/18 1:09:15 AM
#75:


Awesome posted...
and having no way to defend yourself and people have already assigned a label to you that will be stuck to you forever. if this ever happens to the kavanaugh bashers they would be feeling the same way he does, they should hope it never happens to them.


It would help if you didn't break down like a 5 year old child in the first 15 minutes of your investigation.
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Alphamon
09/29/18 1:10:31 AM
#76:


YUHH posted...
Funbazooka believes in crisis actors. Waste of time

oh hes that level of human scum?

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ManBeast462
09/29/18 1:11:44 AM
#77:


What happened to innocent until proven guilty??
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nicklebro
09/29/18 1:26:18 AM
#78:


Funbazooka posted...
I'm not sure I could be any more clear on what I'm asking. I'm drunk now so that's a tall order.

The part I don't get is "even if they're obeying the law?". Why would obeying the law make something more likely to offend me? You should just try to reiterate your question,. Because I am not sure what you're asking and definitely no idea how it relates to my post.

Your belief that you could not be anymore clear is definitely wrong.

Regardless, there's absolutely nothing wrong with believing Ford or Kavanaugh.

ManBeast462 posted...
What happened to innocent until proven guilty??

It stays in the court room, where it belongs. Imagine if you knew full well someone was lying to you but you had to prove it before you were allowed to not believe what they were saying? Cuz that's what you're saying.
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nicklebro
09/29/18 1:26:58 AM
#79:


Alphamon posted...
YUHH posted...
Funbazooka believes in crisis actors. Waste of time

oh hes that level of human scum?

nvm

Oh wtf, just wrote thagong post too... What a waste of time.
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 1:38:30 AM
#80:


nicklebro posted...
The part I don't get is "even if they're obeying the law?". Why would obeying the law make something more likely to offend me? You should just try to reiterate your question,. Because I am not sure what you're asking and definitely no idea how it relates to my post.


My claim was that just because something is fully allowed according to the law doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it.

You said the fact that the law allows it does mean there is nothing wrong with it.

I'm asking you if you can conceive of anything a person might think, say, or do (albeit completely legal) that would offend your sense of what is right and wrong?
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nicklebro
09/29/18 1:48:13 AM
#81:


Funbazooka posted...
nicklebro posted...
The part I don't get is "even if they're obeying the law?". Why would obeying the law make something more likely to offend me? You should just try to reiterate your question,. Because I am not sure what you're asking and definitely no idea how it relates to my post.


My claim was that just because something is fully allowed according to the law doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it.

You said the fact that the law allows it does mean there is nothing wrong with it.

I'm asking you if you can conceive of anything a person might think, say, or do (albeit completely legal) that would offend your sense of what is right and wrong?

I never said that because the law allows it that leaves there's nothing wrong with it. I never mentioned it's legality at all. I simply stated the fact that there is indeed nothing wrong with it. I said it's "allowed" as in it's a socially acceptable thing to do, you took it as meaning "it's legal" which was incorrect.

And even then, your question makes no sense. Just because something might offend me doesnt mean that it isn't ok to do it. Whether something offends me or not is irrelevant, what does matter is if something is rational and if it is justified.
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 2:00:18 AM
#82:


nicklebro posted...
I never said that because the law allows it that leaves there's nothing wrong with it.


nicklebro posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong

Actually it does. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Even if you're ultimately proven wrong.

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darkjedilink
09/29/18 2:01:02 AM
#83:


ManBeast462 posted...
What happened to innocent until proven guilty??

It began to interfere with liberal orthodoxy, so it got labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, Islamaphobic, and white supremacist.
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 2:13:58 AM
#84:


nicklebro posted...
I never said that because the law allows it that leaves there's nothing wrong with it. I never mentioned it's legality at all. I simply stated the fact that there is indeed nothing wrong with it.


You said there's nothing wrong with it at all.

"There's nothing wrong with it at all"

"At all" encompasses anything and everything. Legal, moral, social, you name it. You said there's nothing wrong with it in any department.
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nicklebro
09/29/18 2:24:14 AM
#85:


Funbazooka posted...
nicklebro posted...
I never said that because the law allows it that leaves there's nothing wrong with it.


nicklebro posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong

Actually it does. There's nothing wrong with it at all. Even if you're ultimately proven wrong.

nicklebro posted...
I never mentioned it's legality at all. I simply stated the fact that there is indeed nothing wrong with it. I said it's "allowed" as in it's a socially acceptable thing to do, you took it as meaning "it's legal" which was incorrect.

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nicklebro
09/29/18 2:26:44 AM
#86:


Funbazooka posted...
nicklebro posted...
I never said that because the law allows it that leaves there's nothing wrong with it. I never mentioned it's legality at all. I simply stated the fact that there is indeed nothing wrong with it.


You said there's nothing wrong with it at all.

"There's nothing wrong with it at all"

"At all" encompasses anything and everything. Legal, moral, social, you name it. You said there's nothing wrong with it in any department.

Yeah... And I still stand by that. What are you having trouble grasping? Maybe stop debating online when you're drunk cuz having to hold you hand through every line of every post is getting old.

And dude... Crisis actors? Seriously? You're that fucking delusional and gullible? My god man get it together, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Bass_X0
09/29/18 2:29:10 AM
#87:


WhyGiveUp posted...
Just think, 40 years from now, people will dig up your old gamefaqs posts and discover you shit the bed when you sleep


Awesome!
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nicklebro
09/29/18 2:37:03 AM
#88:


It I was accused of something 40 years ago, I'd not only wlecome, I'd beg for the most thorough FBI investigation they could manage, cuz knowing the truth is on my side would make me desperate to prove it.
If I was guilty, I'd react more like Kavanaugh did. Forced emotion and playing the victim.
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 2:59:52 AM
#89:


Funbazooka posted...
Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong

Actually it does. There's nothing wrong with it at all.


nicklebro posted...
I simply stated the fact that there is indeed nothing wrong with it.


nicklebro posted...
Yeah... And I still stand by that. What are you having trouble grasping?


I'm asking you if you can conceive of anything a person might think, say, or do (albeit completely legal and fully allowed) that you would categorize as wrong?
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 3:02:29 AM
#90:


It's a simple Yes or No. You don't have to get into specifics.
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nicklebro
09/29/18 3:05:10 AM
#91:


Funbazooka posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Fully allowed =/= nothing wrong

Actually it does. There's nothing wrong with it at all.


nicklebro posted...
I simply stated the fact that there is indeed nothing wrong with it.


nicklebro posted...
Yeah... And I still stand by that. What are you having trouble grasping?


I'm asking you if you can conceive of anything a person might think, say, or do (albeit completely legal and fully allowed) that you would categorize as wrong?

No, with the terms that I was using that's impossible. Something being "allowable" in the sense that I was using it by definition cannot be "wrong". You can stop mentioning "legal" since, like I've already said, I was never commenting on the legality of anything.
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 3:06:21 AM
#92:


My original point was that just because something is fully allowed thatdoesn't make it okay. This is what you disagreed with. And you clearly said if something is fully allowed it means there's nothing wrong with it.
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 3:07:39 AM
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What do you think fully allowed means? Do you think matters of legality might have any bearing on that?
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darkjedilink
09/29/18 3:10:17 AM
#94:


Funbazooka posted...
My original point was that just because something is fully allowed thatdoesn't make it okay. This is what you disagreed with. And you clearly said if something is fully allowed it means there's nothing wrong with it.

If something is "not okay," how is it considered "allowed?"

Give me an example of something a group considers "not okay," but that group explicitly allowing it.
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nicklebro
09/29/18 3:15:19 AM
#95:


Funbazooka posted...
My original point was that just because something is fully allowed thatdoesn't make it okay. This is what you disagreed with. And you clearly said if something is fully allowed it means there's nothing wrong with it.

That's because you assumed "fully allowed" was referring to its legality. You were incorrect in your assumption. I'll say this again, I hope you listen to this part.

From the very beginning I was arguing that believing Ford was fully allowed, meaning there's nothing wrong with it whatsoever. So yes, when I say something is fully allowed, it means I'm saying there's nothing wrong with it. You tried to argue that I claimed something being fully legal means there's nothing wrong with it, this mistake was due to your incorrect assumption that when I said something was"fully allowed" I was referring specifically to it's legality.

Are we clear now?
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nicklebro
09/29/18 3:16:27 AM
#96:


darkjedilink posted...
Funbazooka posted...
My original point was that just because something is fully allowed thatdoesn't make it okay. This is what you disagreed with. And you clearly said if something is fully allowed it means there's nothing wrong with it.

If something is "not okay," how is it considered "allowed?"

Give me an example of something a group considers "not okay," but that group explicitly allowing it.

Ok good, I thought I might be going crazy lol, it's not that hard to understand what I was saying right?
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 3:18:46 AM
#97:


darkjedilink posted...
Funbazooka posted...
My original point was that just because something is fully allowed thatdoesn't make it okay. This is what you disagreed with. And you clearly said if something is fully allowed it means there's nothing wrong with it.

If something is "not okay," how is it considered "allowed?"

Give me an example of something a group considers "not okay," but that group explicitly allowing it.


I'm talking about legally permissible things that are okay by law, but are not considered okay depending on who you go around asking. That's it.

Umm for example... off the top of my head... a movie written and cast with all male characters, no females and militant feminists have a problem with it.
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nicklebro
09/29/18 3:21:45 AM
#98:


Funbazooka posted...


I'm talking about legally permissible things that are okay by law, but are not considered okay depending on who you go around asking. That's it.

Umm for example... off the top of my head... a movie written and cast with all male characters, no females and militant feminists have a problem with it.

What is the point of asking about this? I've already established that it has nothing to do with what I posted.

You must be drunker than I had assumed. You're making no sense and now it's clear you don't even have an argument.
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Funbazooka
09/29/18 3:27:34 AM
#99:


You disagreed with my claim that just because something is fully allowed doesn't mean it's okay.

I mean, everyone has a problem with something on some level even if they recognize that it's fully allowed where they live. No?

I don't understand why you can't admit that. That's what I'm driving at. If you can admit that, then fine, chalk all this up to a miscommunication.
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nicklebro
09/29/18 4:00:29 AM
#100:


Funbazooka posted...
You disagreed with my claim that just because something is fully allowed doesn't mean it's okay.

I mean, everyone has a problem with something on some level even if they recognize that it's fully allowed where they live. No?

I don't understand why you can't admit that. That's what I'm driving at. If you can admit that, then fine, chalk all this up to a miscommunication.

Again, you're just not understanding what "fully allowed" means. Its literally identical to saying "nothing wrong with". You keep trying to equate "fully allowed" to just meaning that it is legal, I keep telling you you're wrong for that.

Idk how many more times I can clearly and accurately reiterate my message for you to just keep making the same mistake over and over.

"Fully allowed"="nothing wrong with"

Ok? Hence me saying:
No, with the terms that I was using that's impossible. Something being "allowable" in the sense that I was using it by definition cannot be "wrong".


So to run it back, I was referring to believing Ford or Kavanaugh's testimonies. There is nothing wrong with believing either of them, I stated that by saying "believing Ford was totally allowable", which is no different than saying "there's nothing wrong with believing Ford"

This is your last chance to understand this very simple sentiment before I give up on you.
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