Current Events > Wait do Americans not have paternity leave, only maternity?

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lol wat?
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My job has paternity leave, but I don't think that's a very common thing at all here.
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im gonna get warned again if i give an accurate answer to this
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These days the father needs time off?

Roflmao
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It's not very common and even the guys who do get it don't really get paid for it.
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Most places no. Some areas are adopting it though, like San Fransisco.
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Paternity leave is a joke concept here.

Maternity leave is rare itself and often short changed.

So, even breathing the words paternity leave will get you laughed out of most work places.
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where I work has paternity leave
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joestarrr posted...

im gonna get warned again if i give an accurate answer to this

PM the answer I am interested in hearing it.

I think it should be treated just like maternity leave tbh
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boxington posted...

where I work has paternity leave

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My fiance makes more money than me. When we have kids, she's gonna be off for a few months (like 3-4) then I'll be off for 8 months
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What's the point of paternity leave? Your abdomen wasn't just ripped open...you're fine to work.
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DocDelicious posted...

What's the point of paternity leave? Your abdomen wasn't just ripped open...you're fine to work.

Sometimes fathers need to take care of the kids during the day, too.
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DocDelicious posted...

What's the point of paternity leave? Your abdomen wasn't just ripped open...you're fine to work.

DavidWong posted...

My fiance makes more money than me. When we have kids, she's gonna be off for a few months (like 3-4) then I'll be off for 8 months

That's a valid reason right there.
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DocDelicious posted...

What's the point of paternity leave? Your abdomen wasn't just ripped open...you're fine to work.

Err to take care of a newborn baby?

That likely doesn't have a regular sleeping pattern yet?
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It's becoming more common, thankfully.

We just have parental leave in canada. We have 12 months that you can split any way you want. The mother can have all 12 months, or she can take 9 and the father can take 3, whatever!

I wanted to take a month or two, but realised pretty quickly that taking care of a newborn is hard work so I just went to work and she took the whole 12 months.
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The concept of "leave" and "time off" in general is super foreign to USA people.

Yet, they don't seem to notice when their bosses and the like take a shit ton of time off.
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My work place just recently started implementing paternity leave because it's shown to have great benefits in our firm when it comes to morale and productivity.
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My friend had paternity leave, hes in the Marines.

I dont think its actually a common thing in the states though.
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Why do Americans work more days and take less time off?
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SuperMedz3 posted...

Why do Americans work more days and take less time off?

We've been fooled into thinking that if you're not working, you're a waste of space and a drain on society.
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I took a week off then went back to work.

Wife took 8 weeks off and went back to work.

Sucks but life sucks sometimes

SuperMedz3 posted...

Why do Americans work more days and take less time off?

Don't forget for less pay and other benefits!
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The fact that people think their employer should have to pay them for taking time off to have a kid is laughable to me. How about you plan your life better
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Darmik posted...

SuperMedz3 posted...

Why do Americans work more days and take less time off?

Don't forget for less pay and other benefits!

You should get the skills required for better jobs if that's the case

It's nice to see my fellow Americans proving me right.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

The fact that people think their employer should have to pay them for taking time off to have a kid is laughable to me. How about you plan your life better

This is a laughably simple-minded viewpoint
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Romes187 posted...

You should get the skills required for better jobs if that's the case

I don't live in America and I never will because of stuff like this.

https://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/

The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe.
Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States.
American Average Work Hours:
At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not.
In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week.
According to the ILO, Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.
Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, its just not the average American worker.
There is not a federal law requiring paid sick days in the United States.
The U.S. remains the only industrialized country in the world that has no legally mandated annual leave.
In every country included except Canada and Japan (and the U.S., which averages 13 days/per year), workers get at least 20 paid vacation days. In France and Finland, they get 30 an entire month off, paid, every year.

No thanks
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Darmik posted...

Romes187 posted...

You should get the skills required for better jobs if that's the case

I don't live in America and I never will because of stuff like this.

https://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/

The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe.
Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States.
American Average Work Hours:
At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not.
In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week.
According to the ILO, Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.
Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, its just not the average American worker.
There is not a federal law requiring paid sick days in the United States.
The U.S. remains the only industrialized country in the world that has no legally mandated annual leave.
In every country included except Canada and Japan (and the U.S., which averages 13 days/per year), workers get at least 20 paid vacation days. In France and Finland, they get 30 an entire month off, paid, every year.

No thanks

Ah well different strokes. I like having a career to go to everyday. Makes me pumped to go make things happen. What country you in out of curiosity

Romes187 posted...

Ah well different strokes. I like having a career to go to everyday. Makes me pumped to go make things happen. What country you in out of curiosity

Australia
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Solid Snake07 posted...

The fact that people think their employer should have to pay them for taking time off to have a kid is laughable to me. How about you plan your life better

#dumbshitonCE
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Americans work hard to take care of themselves and their families
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I didn't even know paid sick days were a thing in other countries. We really do live in a third world nation
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immaWHOOPdatASS posted...

I didn't even know paid sick days were a thing in other countries. We really do live in a third world nation

You think we'd have at least the decency to make this enforced in the food/restaurant industry. You know how many sick people have handled your food over the years?
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Is a certain amount of PTO guaranteed by law in some places or something? These topics all act like it's based on country instead of employer.
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DevsBro posted...

Is a certain amount of PTO guaranteed by law in some places or something? These topics all act like it's based on country instead of employer.

Yes.

If you're a permanent employee you get benefits that are guaranteed by law.
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DevsBro posted...

Is a certain amount of PTO guaranteed by law in some places or something? These topics all act like it's based on country instead of employer.

IIRC, there are zero laws requiring a minimum pto. PTO is literally left to the generosity of the employer.

Hell, I was on Hulu the other day and there was an ad a company put out that they were letting their workers a chance to win a single paid day off. I don't remember which and would have to go Google it.

Edit: if there are laws on the books I'd like to see it.
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Darmik posted...

Romes187 posted...

Ah well different strokes. I like having a career to go to everyday. Makes me pumped to go make things happen. What country you in out of curiosity

Australia

Hmm is there anything you could imagine that you would want to do for 40 hours a week and get paid for it?

Romes187 posted...

Darmik posted...

Romes187 posted...

Ah well different strokes. I like having a career to go to everyday. Makes me pumped to go make things happen. What country you in out of curiosity

Australia

Hmm is there anything you could imagine that you would want to do for 40 hours a week and get paid for it?

Everybody in Australia does this. And we get 4 weeks paid vacation a year, plus 10 days sick pay on top of this (not included in the 4 weeks) and an additional 9.5% salary paid into our superannuation (401k) account.
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Romes187 posted...

Darmik posted...

Romes187 posted...

Ah well different strokes. I like having a career to go to everyday. Makes me pumped to go make things happen. What country you in out of curiosity

Australia

Hmm is there anything you could imagine that you would want to do for 40 hours a week and get paid for it?

What do you mean? I have a job where I work 40 hours a week and get paid for it.
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Darmik posted...

DocDelicious posted...

What's the point of paternity leave? Your abdomen wasn't just ripped open...you're fine to work.

Err to take care of a newborn baby?

That likely doesn't have a regular sleeping pattern yet?

The mom takes care of the baby
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Lunar_Savage posted...

DevsBro posted...

Is a certain amount of PTO guaranteed by law in some places or something? These topics all act like it's based on country instead of employer.

IIRC, there are zero laws requiring a minimum pto. PTO is literally left to the generosity of the employer.

Hell, I was on Hulu the other day and there was an ad a company put out that they were letting their workers a chance to win a single paid day off. I don't remember which and would have to go Google it.

Edit: if there are laws on the books I'd like to see it.

Nothing in america. PTO, maternity / paternity leave, holidays--all of those things are concepts that unions managed to negotiate for us. The government did nothing except put some heavy limitations on child labor and increased liability for workplace injuries.

1) Nor should they. I don't like the idea of mandatory holidays.
2) If you want these kinds of benefits work for a unionized position and join the union.
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MakoReizei posted...

Darmik posted...

DocDelicious posted...

What's the point of paternity leave? Your abdomen wasn't just ripped open...you're fine to work.

Err to take care of a newborn baby?

That likely doesn't have a regular sleeping pattern yet?

The mom takes care of the baby

That's a bit of an assumption that doesn't cover every single case.
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You're better off just ignoring everything MakoReizei says. The dude literally claims that women shouldn't have kids after 25 and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have slightest idea about how the real world works.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Lunar_Savage posted...

DevsBro posted...

Is a certain amount of PTO guaranteed by law in some places or something? These topics all act like it's based on country instead of employer.

IIRC, there are zero laws requiring a minimum pto. PTO is literally left to the generosity of the employer.

Hell, I was on Hulu the other day and there was an ad a company put out that they were letting their workers a chance to win a single paid day off. I don't remember which and would have to go Google it.

Edit: if there are laws on the books I'd like to see it.

Nothing in america. PTO, maternity / paternity leave, holidays--all of those things are concepts that unions managed to negotiate for us. The government did nothing except put some heavy limitations on child labor and increased liability for workplace injuries.

1) Nor should they. I don't like the idea of mandatory holidays.
2) If you want these kinds of benefits work for a unionized position and join the union.

The problems with unions are that you pay dues and if they decide to strike, they do very little to take care of you while they try to work a deal out with the employer.

We also know employers became so tired of unions that they fled the country and sold our jobs overseas. Then they compounded anti-union messages throughout the working world.

Best thing we could do is start throwing these laws on the books since employers have proven they have no loyalty to our people.
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MakoReizei posted...

Darmik posted...

DocDelicious posted...

What's the point of paternity leave? Your abdomen wasn't just ripped open...you're fine to work.

Err to take care of a newborn baby?

That likely doesn't have a regular sleeping pattern yet?

The mom takes care of the baby

Pity the poor woman who bears your child.
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What's the limits? What if I knock multiple women up or have multiple spouses whom are pregnant sequentially? Do I just get permanent paternity leave?
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Vampire_Wreath posted...

What's the limits? What if I knock multiple women up or have multiple spouses whom are pregnant sequentially? Do I just get permanent paternity leave?

Usually you have a limited amount of days each year.
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