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DarkProto05
08/30/18 4:39:11 PM
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Do fat people who mainly eat meat have bad genetics or something? 75% of my diet is meat yet I'm in good shape. But the meat isn't from fast food places so that might explain it.
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Veggeta X
08/30/18 4:40:52 PM
#52:


Why do pure orange juice and apple juice cost so much?
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_Rinku_
08/30/18 4:42:40 PM
#53:


Veggeta X posted...
Why do pure orange juice and apple juice cost so much?

It takes a lot of oranges/apples to make juice.
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Veggeta X
08/30/18 4:43:55 PM
#54:


_Rinku_ posted...
It takes a lot of oranges/apples to make juice.

but the actual fruits are cheap as fuck so.....
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Ki_cat_
08/30/18 4:47:52 PM
#55:


Fyi, some of these prices come from any Save On Foods but stuff like Costco or Superstore are way cheaper.

Cheap and healthy meals are easy but not everyone has the time or means. Stoves and stuff often aren't included in poor housing.
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karmageddon28
08/30/18 4:51:42 PM
#56:


My first apartment literally didn't have a kitchen, and I still ate fairly healthy.
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Sariana21
08/30/18 5:05:36 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
It takes a lot of oranges/apples to make juice.

but the actual fruits are cheap as fuck so.....

Juice is heavy and costs a lot to ship. That's why frozen concentrate is less expensive. Remove the water and you've removed a lot of the weight.

As for this thread as a whole, studies have shown that grocery stores in general and fresh produce in particular are less common in poorer communities. And as someone mentioned upthread, transportation can be a real impediment.
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_Rinku_
08/30/18 5:08:26 PM
#58:


Veggeta X posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
It takes a lot of oranges/apples to make juice.

but the actual fruits are cheap as fuck so.....

Quick googling says it takes about 50 oranges to make one gallon of orange juice. A bag of oranges has, what, maybe ten oranges and costs $4? That's like $20 for a gallon of orange juice.

Commercial orange juice can bring the price down tremendously due to scale/bulk, but then you have to deal with the markup on the product at the store.
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Shadow_Of_Fenix
08/30/18 5:11:35 PM
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My Parents weren't exactly low income or poor but we weren't rolling in the dough either. They were incredibly crafty and managed to have an extremely low food budget for a family of 4:

-Would buy half a cow from the butcher once per year. This would last for most, if not, 1 entire year. This cost them, at the time, about 500 bucks for about 200 pounds of beef (depending). A lot of our meals consisted as beef as the protein.
-In the summer Dad had a rather large veggy garden and grew his own tomatos, beans, potatos, cucumbers, swiss chard, beats, carrots and usually something different every year. He made enough tomoatoes to can about 100 mason jars of tomatoes and he would make his own pasta sauce with that, as well as use it for goulash. Also potatoes last forever and he would grow at least 50 pounds of them. Freeze the beans, carrots and cucumbers were just ate as they came. It was a shit load of work but he loved to garden.
-Eat leftovers for dinner 2 to 3 times a week. Had a family of 4 so make enough for 5 or 6 people, then every second or third day have left overs.
-Every meal had at least fresh or canned veggies, a Meat, potatoes or rice (almost always potatoes). When you grow a lot of your own shit and buy beef in huge bulk quantities your price per meal is incredibly low.
-NEVER eat out at fancy restaurants except for birthdays or special occasions. Have Fast food maybe once a week as a treat.
-They spend about 100 a week for our family of 4, with 2 teenage boys who ate like bottomless pits. IMO that is very reasonable and the bulk of that money was milk, other beverages and snacks/desserts.
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Tupacrulez
08/30/18 5:14:17 PM
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green butter posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
You have to be willing to take literal hours to prepare your food.

you think it takes literal hours to cut fruit or steam vegetables?


Does it seem like I do from the rest of that post, or are you just stupid?
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BlazinBlue88
08/30/18 5:16:29 PM
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DoomSwell posted...
Fruits aren't even a side dish, they're a light snack. They go bad quickly, which means you can't stock up if you only have gas/money/time to go shopping once a month. Sometimes you're limited to what a single store has because of transportation...

Bags and bags of frozen veggies and fruit fill my freezer. You won't have as much variety but it's better than nothing.

Also a tip no one has mentioned in this topic yet. Buy your fruits in season. This is the difference between a container of blueberries being $0.90 and $3.00
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Daffadilio
08/30/18 5:19:58 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
Daffadilio posted...
I feel like most people do buy bags of frozen veggies tho, which usually has less nutritional value than fresh veggies.


FWIW, this is mostly untrue. Nutrient deterioration is a result of enzyme reactions that deteriorate the nutrients (and color) as the vegetable ages. The reaction doesn't happen at low temperatures, and frozen vegetables are usually frozen very soon after harvest.

So buy frozen veg and feel confident you are getting nutrients you need without the hassle of worrying about when they'll spoil.

Well thats good. I always ate canned veggies growing up due to lack of freezer room since my mom bought meat in bulk when it was on sale, and I think that is less healthy than frozen due to added sodium and loss of nutrients when in water, but I eat a lot of frozen veggies now.
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_Rinku_
08/30/18 5:27:57 PM
#63:


Shadow_Of_Fenix posted...
My Parents weren't exactly low income or poor but we weren't rolling in the dough either. They were incredibly crafty and managed to have an extremely low food budget for a family of 4:

-Would buy half a cow from the butcher once per year. This would last for most, if not, 1 entire year. This cost them, at the time, about 500 bucks for about 200 pounds of beef (depending). A lot of our meals consisted as beef as the protein.
-In the summer Dad had a rather large veggy garden and grew his own tomatos, beans, potatos, cucumbers, swiss chard, beats, carrots and usually something different every year. He made enough tomoatoes to can about 100 mason jars of tomatoes and he would make his own pasta sauce with that, as well as use it for goulash. Also potatoes last forever and he would grow at least 50 pounds of them. Freeze the beans, carrots and cucumbers were just ate as they came. It was a shit load of work but he loved to garden.
-Eat leftovers for dinner 2 to 3 times a week. Had a family of 4 so make enough for 5 or 6 people, then every second or third day have left overs.
-Every meal had at least fresh or canned veggies, a Meat, potatoes or rice (almost always potatoes). When you grow a lot of your own shit and buy beef in huge bulk quantities your price per meal is incredibly low.
-NEVER eat out at fancy restaurants except for birthdays or special occasions. Have Fast food maybe once a week as a treat.
-They spend about 100 a week for our family of 4, with 2 teenage boys who ate like bottomless pits. IMO that is very reasonable and the bulk of that money was milk, other beverages and snacks/desserts.

Just to be clear:

-Your family had enough money to make a $500 purchase and still be above water for that month
-Your family had access to a freezer big enough to store 200lbs of meat and the resources to consistently keep the power on so it didn't go bad.
-Your father had access to enough land/had enough time and knowledge on how to garden to grow his own veggies.

Your parents undoubtedly worked very hard and sacrificed a lot to raise you. Please understand that many people do not even have access to what your family did.
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Ilishe
08/30/18 5:30:52 PM
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I dunno man. Seasonal fruit and veg isn't expensive at all. It's the high end fish that can get out of hand.

You can still get fresh sardines really cheap though in season.
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TheGoldenEel
08/30/18 5:32:09 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Why do pure orange juice and apple juice cost so much?

This topic is about healthy foods

Juice is terrible for you
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DavidWong
08/30/18 5:32:17 PM
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Fruits can be expensive. Veggies are dirt cheap.

In Australia anyway
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SageHarpuia
08/30/18 5:40:08 PM
#67:


Because the only grocery store in a 100 mile radius is Walmart
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--Zero-
08/30/18 5:53:45 PM
#68:


The value is how much you need to keep up with your nutrition (assuming plant based diet) costs more. Now if you go to the farmers market then yeah its dirt cheap to get fruits and vegetables.
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Krojen
08/30/18 7:14:23 PM
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Frozen fruit and veggies are often more nutritious than fresh. Along with reasons mentioned, they're frozen in their prime and don't deteriorate. Fresh are usually picked well before they're ready to eat.

To the crowd saying it's not filling, there's a disturbing lack of lentils mentioned itt. A single dollar bag of lentils provides multiple filling protein packed meals full of minerals like iron, copper, and zinc. You mix that with your veggies and have fruit as dessert/snack.
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Hop103
08/30/18 8:09:51 PM
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It is expensive if you don't live in the south or midwest.
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StarLightGlimmR
08/30/18 8:33:31 PM
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Low intelligence.
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DarkTransient
08/30/18 8:37:29 PM
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If you buy stuff that's out-of-season, it's expensive. If you take advantage of specials and what's in-season, and especially if you go to smaller fruit & veg shops rather than the big chain ones (at least, that's how it is here), produce is amazingly cheap.
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haloiscoolisbak
08/30/18 8:45:42 PM
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Devil_Katt_II posted...
mustachedmystic posted...
Bananas are 50 cents a pound where I get them.

bananas are actually pretty bad for you if you are watching your weight


I'd say the opposite is true. They're filling and low calories

I don't think fruit and veg individually are expensive, but when you buy a few different types and buy meat as well to make a chicken salad for example you end up spending nearly as much as you would buying fast food
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Questionmarktarius
08/30/18 8:46:46 PM
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pikachupwnage
08/30/18 8:47:36 PM
#75:


Ki_cat_ posted...
A lot of fruits and vegetables are crazy expensive.

An ounce of blue berries is like $8 here. Same for most other berries. Bananas are $9. Grapes are $11. Frozen vegetables are cheap but a standard thing of corn, peas and broccoli can easily cost $12 all together.

Certain stuff is cheap (apples, oranges, onion, garlic etc) but others can be terrible.

Most standard prices are like $2-$4 for a serving though and it should last a few days.

Organic tax is easily a few dollars more.


Where the fuck do you live?

I can get bananas for about 50 cents a pound.
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kingdrake2
08/30/18 8:48:38 PM
#76:


legendarylemur posted...
Those don't look like Costco prices. Go to Costco


costco prices for produce aren't half bad. i once bought a large box of tomato's somehow they managed to last maybe 2-3 weeks before they went bad. went through about 6-9 out of 12.

gotta compare the prices from supermarket or farmers market to get the best deal.
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21WIVES_CHILL
08/30/18 9:11:22 PM
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How do you know which fruits and veggies are in season and out? All i know is avocados are expensive as hell all year round.
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Questionmarktarius
08/30/18 9:13:55 PM
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21WIVES_CHILL posted...
All i know is avocados are expensive as hell all year round.

They don't grow in temperate zones.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
08/30/18 9:17:06 PM
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Just went to my local grocery store and bought bok choi, celery, bananas, and a large bag of frozen mixed veggies (corn, peas, carrots, etc) all for around $15

a) That sounds like you got those on sale, NOT full retail value,
b) You don't live in a food desert, where transportation and accessibility is an important factor,
c) FROZEN veggies =/= fresh fruits and vegetables.
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Kajagogo
08/30/18 9:37:37 PM
#80:


FFVII_REMAKE posted...
bok choi, celery, bananas, and a large bag of frozen mixed veggies (corn, peas, carrots, etc) all for around $15


That's great, now realize that's that's the only thing you can eat for 3 days. People forgo that stuff to get food for actual meals, because it's all they can afford.
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kingdrake2
08/30/18 9:38:51 PM
#81:


21WIVES_CHILL posted...
How do you know which fruits and veggies are in season and out? All i know is avocados are expensive as hell all year round.


i know tomatoes are in season in the summer (when the price is lowest)
cherry's
grapes (in season around late summer-fall)

the only 3 i know of. but i see tomatoes being about 2.50$ a pound when not in season. it's about 1.50$ right now.
great for salads or burgers.
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Kajagogo
08/30/18 9:40:58 PM
#82:


I can get 2 Red Baron frozen pizzas, and a bag of frozen Tyson chicken for $15 and that can last for about 4 days, 5 if I stretch it out.
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BlazinBlue88
08/31/18 8:23:01 AM
#83:


21WIVES_CHILL posted...
All i know is avocados are expensive as hell all year round.

9 times out of 10 I can find avocados for $0.90-$1 a piece. Considering how filling they are, that's not expensive at all. Sometimes you see them at $1.25 and that's when I skip out on them.

21WIVES_CHILL posted...
How do you know which fruits and veggies are in season and out?

https://snaped.fns.usda.gov/seasonal-produce-guide

Personally I don't memorize all of that. I just eye ball the price when I'm shopping and determine if that's on the expensive side or not which is something you get the hang of eventually.
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Knowledge_King
08/31/18 2:40:16 PM
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lol at not having money to buy things that affect your literal health/living. You'll spend way more if/when you get sick. It's prevention.

If you can't afford a $100 fridge and freezer, that's your fault and no one else's. Any income could pay for that.

Prioritizing other things over your health is just not smart. It should be healthy food first, then all that other stuff. Oh and never eat out. That's super expensive.

Fruit and Vegetables could feed you for a week on $10. And even if you couldn't cook anything, fruit alone could do it.
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starcow
08/31/18 2:45:25 PM
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it takes time and skill to prepare raw foods into something edible, and often you need many different ingredients to cook meals. a lot of poor families are single, working multiple jobs, have too many obligations, etc. produce also expires quickly/easily. canned/frozen is just easier to work with and manage. also kids are picky eaters and probably aren't going to live frozen onion soup. also, our generation is notoriously bad at cooking or learning how to cook in the first place.

basically, it's all about circumstances.
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kingdrake2
08/31/18 4:06:10 PM
#86:


fridge costs way more than 100$ unless we're talking a used one.

one of those small fucking dorm fridges barely will hold anything.
300$ for a decent fridge.
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Arcanine2009
08/31/18 5:21:31 PM
#87:


s0nicfan posted...
Because "expensive" is codeword for "preparation time". Whether legitimately too busy, or just lying to themselves, the problem isn't the cost of healthy food, but the fact that it takes time to prepare it as a meal versus sitting in your car, driving in a little circle, and getting a burger and fries.

I don't think being poor has any correlation to not knowing how to cook and cooking. If you were raised to cook for yourself and your family, you will do it. And poor people in general are frugal and they know it saves money at least.

I do think time(or at least making time) has a lot to do with it, and not knowing how to cook/living with family so you didn't have to. Seems like cooking for baby boomers and past generations is much higher than gen y and after.
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Knowledge_King
08/31/18 6:01:22 PM
#88:


I looked it up though....you can get a fridge and freezer for $100. Can't be super picky if you're truly poor.
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_Rinku_
08/31/18 6:37:31 PM
#89:


Knowledge_King posted...
I looked it up though....you can get a fridge and freezer for $100. Can't be super picky if you're truly poor.

Share with us exactly where you can get a fridge and freezer for $100. This also has to factor in delivery cost, because many poor families do not have access to a vehicle capable of transporting something that large.
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Knowledge_King
08/31/18 8:40:42 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Knowledge_King posted...
I looked it up though....you can get a fridge and freezer for $100. Can't be super picky if you're truly poor.

Share with us exactly where you can get a fridge and freezer for $100. This also has to factor in delivery cost, because many poor families do not have access to a vehicle capable of transporting something that large.


https://www.google.com/shopping/product/9187595138109544417

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/15645557292878143194

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/15988926150767985327

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/4776513973846713901
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_Rinku_
08/31/18 8:45:06 PM
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Knowledge_King posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Knowledge_King posted...
I looked it up though....you can get a fridge and freezer for $100. Can't be super picky if you're truly poor.

Share with us exactly where you can get a fridge and freezer for $100. This also has to factor in delivery cost, because many poor families do not have access to a vehicle capable of transporting something that large.


https://www.google.com/shopping/product/9187595138109544417

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/15645557292878143194

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/15988926150767985327

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/4776513973846713901

None of those are $100 and most of them are mini-fridges (not big enough for a family).

Also, those "freezers" on mini-fridges never work properly, in my experience. Ice cream turns into soup and nothing truly freezes.
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frogman_295
08/31/18 8:51:53 PM
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I think they are referring to organic shit
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