Current Events > Should paramedics stop reviving people if they have had a prior overdose?

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let me think about it
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It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted. If you do any drug that has that sort of risk/reward ratio then you've made your choices. I'm a big fan of altered states but idiots need not apply.
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Well this should go well.
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Depends on if it's possible to OD on shit you weren't aware of, like being drugged against your will.
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When you became a doctor you signed an oath to help the sick an injured regardless of your own personal preferences.
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I don't feel like incurring the risk of not being revived myself . . . I don't do drugs (those types) but this would certainly lead to a mix up. And a non-OD person would die.
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I made this same topic and got warned for it. Be careful. The mods dont like when people dont enable drug addicts
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Someone been playing too much Octopath
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Middle hope posted...

The mods dont like when people dont enable drug addicts

keeping a drug addict ALIVE is enabling them? what's wrong with you
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catboy0_0 posted...

Middle hope posted...

The mods dont like when people dont enable drug addicts

keeping a drug addict ALIVE is enabling them? what's wrong with you

If you narcan someone every time the od they obviously dont care about the consequence of oding in the first place. They are just gonna keep doing it knowing the safety net is there
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Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted. If you do any drug that has that sort of risk/reward ratio then you've made your choices. I'm a big fan of altered states but idiots need not apply.

I actually agree with this. Drug addicts are a massive financial drain on society.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Someone been playing too much Octopath

I wish, but I don't play consoles anymore. #PCGamingMasterRace

Mods?
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Is this the Philippines board?
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KStateKing17 posted...

Is this the Philippines board?

Trump wishes he could do what Duterte does

CiIantro posted...

Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted. If you do any drug that has that sort of risk/reward ratio then you've made your choices. I'm a big fan of altered states but idiots need not apply.

I actually agree with this. Drug addicts are a massive financial drain on society.

People are a major financial drain on society. Robots shall reign supreme
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Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted. If you do any drug that has that sort of risk/reward ratio then you've made your choices. I'm a big fan of altered states but idiots need not apply.

I don't agree. People deserve a second chance to change for an indiscretion such as overdose.
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I'm not a monster, so no.
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Does this also apply to those who have mental/physical disabilities?
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This should not be a point of discussion. We should make every effort to save people. Lives have value.
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catboy0_0 posted...

Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted. If you do any drug that has that sort of risk/reward ratio then you've made your choices. I'm a big fan of altered states but idiots need not apply.

I don't agree. People deserve a second chance to change for an indiscretion such as overdose.

What if it's their 3rd, 5th, 9th chance
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

This should not be a point of discussion. We should make every effort to save people. Lives have value.

But do all lives have equal value?

Middle hope posted...

What if it's their 3rd, 5th, 9th chance

they should be saved and go to rehab
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Lives have value.

By TC's logic, money has more.
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catboy0_0 posted...

Middle hope posted...

What if it's their 3rd, 5th, 9th chance

they should be saved and go to rehab

Paid for by who? And if they complete rehab and do it again do we send them back for another 12 weeks?
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Middle hope posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

Middle hope posted...

What if it's their 3rd, 5th, 9th chance

they should be saved and go to rehab

Paid for by who? And if they complete rehab and do it again do we send them back for another 12 weeks?

Send them to Arkham Asylum forever.
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andromedadude3 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

Lives have value.

By TC's logic, money has more.

I mean, are you really arguing that a washed up, barely functioning druggie who ODs once a week is worth the tax money to keep alive? Sorry not sorry.

No. Nobody dies on MY watch!
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Duncanwii posted...

When you became a doctor you signed an oath to help the sick an injured regardless of your own personal preferences.

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All it would do is get a lot of paramedics in trouble. Good luck trying to stop them.

On a side note, has everyone seen Bringing Out The Dead?

catboy0_0 posted...

Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted. If you do any drug that has that sort of risk/reward ratio then you've made your choices. I'm a big fan of altered states but idiots need not apply.

I don't agree. People deserve a second chance to change for an indiscretion such as overdose.

How do you know it's their first time when you're rushing to save them? You can't check their punch card for how many they've had. True, the majority of ODs are either first timers or old pros, not as many on the middle but to me those are just more reasons to let them get what's coming to them.
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That's like saying a kid that fell down a well shouldn't be saved because he knew what he was doing when he was fucking around by a well.

Ruid posted...

That's like saying a kid that fell down a well shouldn't be saved because he knew what he was doing when he was fucking around by a well.

I mean, if he falls down the well a second time, it is clearly his fault...

CiIantro posted...

Ruid posted...

That's like saying a kid that fell down a well shouldn't be saved because he knew what he was doing when he was fucking around by a well.

I mean, if he falls down the well a second time, it is clearly his fault...

I didn't expect you to follow the motto of "It's your ass, not mine."

Middle hope posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

Middle hope posted...

The mods dont like when people dont enable drug addicts

keeping a drug addict ALIVE is enabling them? what's wrong with you

If you narcan someone every time the od they obviously dont care about the consequence of oding in the first place. They are just gonna keep doing it knowing the safety net is there

Generic naloxone costs $20-$40. If you are mad at anyone, be mad at yourself for stigmatizing drug addicts as bad and worthless people- it is this social stigma that prevents people from getting the help they need to quit. They don't want people to know, to think less of them, so they don't admit that they have a problem and never seek help. Which cycles around to them continuing to take drugs to escape from real world problems like knowing they should get clean, and thinking they are worthless, etc. So actually thanks a lot TC specifically for making us pay tax dollars for overdoses. SMDH.
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As a former addict, and someone who has lost friends to addiction, yes.
I don't believe someone should be revived after the first OD. If the first one doesn't scare you into sobriety chances are you'll never get clean.
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Syntheticon posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted. If you do any drug that has that sort of risk/reward ratio then you've made your choices. I'm a big fan of altered states but idiots need not apply.

I don't agree. People deserve a second chance to change for an indiscretion such as overdose.

How do you know it's their first time when you're rushing to save them? You can't check their punch card for how many they've had. True, the majority of ODs are either first timers or old pros, not as many on the middle but to me those are just more reasons to let them get what's coming to them.

That's another point that works against you though- how do you know its their second time so no resuscitation because they used up their one chance? Who plays judge, jury, and executioner in "what counts"?
My best friend had an ambulance called on her for an "overdose" because some of her prescribed medications had bad reactions to one another and for whatever reason the prescribing doctor and the pharmacist never mentioned it beforehand. It didn't take long to figure out what happened but she was in a coma on her deathbed for 3 days- so EMT shouldn't have revived her and brought her in? Only if she never had anything else like that happen before? And once she dies and they realize it wasn't an OD, someone considered responsible has their career or life ruined for letting her die?
As a medical professional, you don't get to choose who you save. It's either treat everyone or no one. You can triage severity but not WORTHINESS, a subjective and uninformed viewpoint.
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Daffadilio posted...

Generic naloxone costs $20-$40. If you are mad at anyone, be mad at yourself for stigmatizing drug addicts as bad and worthless people- it is this social stigma that prevents people from getting the help they need to quit. They don't want people to know, to think less of them, so they don't admit that they have a problem and never seek help. Which cycles around to them continuing to take drugs to escape from real world problems like knowing they should get clean, and thinking they are worthless, etc. So actually thanks a lot TC specifically for making us pay tax dollars for overdoses. SMDH.

YESS! thank you
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Daffadilio posted...

So actually thanks a lot TC specifically for making us pay tax dollars for overdoses.

You're welcome.

Daffadilio posted...

Syntheticon posted...

How do you know it's their first time when you're rushing to save them? You can't check their punch card for how many they've had. True, the majority of ODs are either first timers or old pros, not as many on the middle but to me those are just more reasons to let them get what's coming to them.

That's another point that works against you though- how do you know its their second time so no resuscitation because they used up their one chance? Who plays judge, jury, and executioner in "what counts"?
My best friend had an ambulance called on her for an "overdose" because some of her prescribed medications had bad reactions to one another and for whatever reason the prescribing doctor and the pharmacist never mentioned it beforehand. It didn't take long to figure out what happened but she was in a coma on her deathbed for 3 days- so EMT shouldn't have revived her and brought her in? Only if she never had anything else like that happen before? And once she dies and they realize it wasn't an OD, someone considered responsible has their career or life ruined for letting her die?
As a medical professional, you don't get to choose who you save. It's either treat everyone or no one. You can triage severity but not WORTHINESS, a subjective and uninformed viewpoint.

It doesn't quite work against my opinion as I'm advocating for no help of any kind on any OD. In the very few cases where it could be accidentally mistaken due to medication for a chronic condition then that comes back to some sort of medic alert/something worn to tell a first responder/medical professional about what they're dealing with. Will there be a few regular people caught up in the shuffle? Possibly, but the overall and long-term benefits outweigh the cost. You're absolutely right, you can't triage worthiness and I'm not asking anyone to-introduce a system (expanding the medic alert bracelets system is the obvious one) that will protect people like the one mentioned and stop helping any OD.
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Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted

How about people who have heart attacks from their lifestyle?
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Narcan should be sold in six-packs at walmart.

Anteaterking posted...

Syntheticon posted...

It's an unpopular opinion but I don't think any OD should be helped-it's self inflicted

How about people who have heart attacks from their lifestyle?

That would typically be difficult to diagnose on the day but I think that would probably sort itself out-once they got to hospital, while they've wasted people's time it wouldn't take long to confirm the reason for their issue based on the nature of the cardiac event/person's general condition but how to handle those cases is another discussion entirely-it's not an OD so they wouldn't be affected by the choice of whether or not to help anyone in that situation.
Unsurprisingly, addicts have a whole string of other health problems so by not helping ODs we can reduce issues like this and generally minimise strain on the healthcare system.
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The fuck is wrong with some of you?
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Mr_Karate_II posted...

The fuck is wrong with some of you?

Mr_Karate_II posted...

The fuck is wrong with some of you?

Report them.

Good thing people like TC aren't paramedics or involved in the health field in any way.
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Narcan is nothing. You also have no conception of the sheer amount of man hours and money that are wasted working in EMS for non-overdose calls. This is an incredibly stupid question.
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I don't think paramedics who have had a prior overdose be paramedics at all, much less be reviving people.
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Middle hope posted...

I made this same topic and got warned for it. Be careful. The mods dont like when people dont enable drug addicts

Yeah that's the problem with this topic. Right.
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