Current Events > Honeslty getting tired of people saying I'm not Christian

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because I'm Catholic.

If we believe that Jesus established the one and only church (the apostolic church) and we believe that we are the continuation of the original church... how are people going to say we aren't Christian?

Shut the fuck up
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Rude

Yeah, I've had multiple people argue with me that they are different things. I also had one guy say that he was 'Christian'. I asked what church he went to and he told me, "It's just called Christianity". But yeah, Catholicism is 100% a Christian group; all Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholics.

Why would you choose this place to have an existential crisis?
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I'm a Catholic. And yes, I've encountered the same damn thing.
Try not to let it bother you. They're idiots and they don't know what they're talking about despite how convinced they may be that they do.
Same thing from the same types that argue about catholics worshiping false idols because we have saints.
You can't argue with stupid and it's exhausting to even try.
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Kineth posted...

Why would you choose this place to have an existential crisis?

I'm not questioning anything about me

EternalDivide posted...

I'm a Catholic. And yes, I've encountered the same damn thing.
Try not to let it bother you. They're idiots and they don't know what they're talking about despite how convinced they may be that they do.
Same thing from the same types that argue about catholics worshiping false idols because we have saints.
You can't argue with stupid and it's exhausting to even try.

Okay, well said.

I've only encountered this online. I just assumed it was because people like to enjoy their pseudonymity by being pedantic fuckbags

Ive never had a problem with it until recently when a guy at the gym who was one of those hyper religious neo Christians straight up told me to my face that I was a pagan. Lol.

I think its just the real bumpkins who have no insight or desire to understand anything besides their own narrow worldview.
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Those ppl are dumbasses and should be laughed at.

knutjob posted...

I've only encountered this online. I just assumed it was because people like to enjoy their pseudonymity by being pedantic fuckbags

I think it's more that a lot of apologists want to use it as some sort of No True Scotsman fallacy.

MrPeppers posted...

Ive never had a problem with it until recently when a guy at the gym who was one of those hyper religious neo Christians straight up told me to my face that I was a pagan. Lol.

As someone who probably is classed as a pagan, those people are ridiculous.

the cross is an idol
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FUCK this topic
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The veneration of Saints [to the extent within Catholicism], elevation of Mary and the pomp and circumstance don't help.

Orthodox Icons don't get the same level of scrutiny compared to if Catholics do something similar.

Double standards.

Vatican II really didn't help either.

I've got to admit though, Sola Fide is a cop out.

Keep your faith and that's the best you can really do.
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Hicks233 posted...

The veneration of Saints [to the extent within Catholicism], elevation of Mary and the pomp and circumstance don't help.

Orthodox Icons don't get the same level of scrutiny compared to if Catholics do something similar.

Double standards.

Vatican II really didn't help either.

I've got to admit though, Sola Fide is a cop out.

Keep your faith and that's the best you can really do.

While those things can be considered problems, it's not like all the other branches don't have similar theological issues. The reality is that they are Christians, in fact, they are arguably the first Christians (depending on where you separate them from the Eastern Orthodox Church). Saying, 'they aren't Christians' is a really lazy No True Scotsman.

MrPeppers posted...

Ive never had a problem with it until recently when a guy at the gym who was one of those hyper religious neo Christians straight up told me to my face that I was a pagan. Lol.

I think its just the real bumpkins who have no insight or desire to understand anything besides their own narrow worldview.

The worst I've had IRL is my ex girlfriends mom trying to convert my mom away from Catholicism. Talk about causing a rift

isn't the catholic church some pagan cult that worships Mary?
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The only people who say this are other Christians who hate Catholics
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Any Christian based religion is...Christian.

Lol @ anyone thinking otherwise
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Dude I got the fucking opposite reaction. Some chick I was talking to was talking about mass and what not, and I was like "oh you're Christian".

She said no. She's Catholic.

I'm like isn't it the same thing? Like Catholic is a subset of Christianity.

She insisted I was wrong, and I dropped it cause I figured I might be mansplaining. Glad to know I wasn't
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Considering the history of the Popes and Jesus's teachings . . . how anyone could be a Catholic is beyond me. Obviously it's indoctrination but still.

"Oh hey, they bought and warred for years over a position that directly contradicts much of what Christ had said, but they're legit and not wholly corrupt to the core for literally hundreds of years."
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About the only people who consistently claim that Catholics aren't real Christians are Jack Chick and Hutton Gibson.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

a position that directly contradicts much of what Christ had said

That shit started with Paul.

Squall28 posted...

She insisted I was wrong, and I dropped it cause I figured I might be mansplaining. Glad to know I wasn't

Sounds more like a case of "Alright, this is clearly more important to you than me. Enjoy the last word and the 'win'."

knutjob posted...

I've only encountered this online.

I've seen it plenty of times in real life. "I used to be catholic, but now I'm christian."
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TomNook20 posted...

knutjob posted...

I've only encountered this online.

I've seen it plenty of times in real life. "I used to be catholic, but now I'm christian."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDC7NP1Cig" data-time="
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isn't Catholic like the original christian?

cause Protestantism and all of the reformation pretty much grew out of what they rejected from Catholocism, right?
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ROBANN_88 posted...

isn't Catholic like the original christian?

cause Protestantism and all of the reformation pretty much grew out of what they rejected from Catholocism, right?

Correct
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though, i am unsure on the relationship between Catholocism and Eastern Orthodox.

did one of them split off from the other, or was it more like "common ancestor" kind of deal?
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AmazingAjd posted...

because I'm Catholic.

If we believe that Jesus established the one and only church (the apostolic church) and we believe that we are the continuation of the original church... how are people going to say we aren't Christian?

I agree. Catholicism is a branch of Christianity, its adherents are Christian by default.

Religious people have always been the og snowflakes

Tbf I've also seen a lot of Catholics insist that they aren't Christian.
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ROBANN_88 posted...

isn't Catholic like the original christian?

cause Protestantism and all of the reformation pretty much grew out of what they rejected from Catholocism, right?

Yes, with the caveat that the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church used to be the same organization before they split, meaning that both organizations were the 'first' Christians.

The only thing that makes you a Christian is believing in Jesus -- and not just saying you believe in him (mouthing the words is easy), but proving it by actually living your life and treating others the way he told you to. (That's the part that's too tough for a lot of "Christians".) No other test is necessary.

yeah, that is pretty shitty of whoever is doing that. if they claim to be christian themselves they have some spiritual growth to do
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All Catholics are Christians. But not all Christians are Catholic.

And according to the street preachers like this guy nobody's a Christian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3WmthSbJ_w" data-time="
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Firewerx posted...

The only thing that makes you a Christian is believing in Jesus -- and not just saying you believe in him (mouthing the words is easy), but proving it by actually living your life and treating others the way he told you to.

Saying you believe in/follow Jesus is enough to be a Christian. Doesn't necessarily mean you're a good Christian but you're still a Christian.
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To be fair, a lot of different Christian subgroups see each other as "not really Christian" either, not just Catholics. Otherwise there wouldn't have been so much infighting.

Things get dicey when you believe eternal damnation is the result of making the wrong choice.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Firewerx posted...

The only thing that makes you a Christian is believing in Jesus -- and not just saying you believe in him (mouthing the words is easy), but proving it by actually living your life and treating others the way he told you to.

Saying you believe in/follow Jesus is enough to be a Christian. Doesn't necessarily mean you're a good Christian but you're still a Christian.

I think just saying you believe in Jesus makes you a fake Christian.

Saying and thinking, whatever
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"I sort of believe in him, but not enough to obey him" is kidding yourself that you believe, though. It's not faith; it's insincerity.

Firewerx posted...

"I sort of believe in him, but not enough to obey him" is kidding yourself that you believe, though. It's not faith; it's insincerity.

Only God can be the judge of that
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Not everyone is taught fully about Jesus though. If you go to Church every week you'll hear some Gospel verses but that's it.
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catboy0_0 posted...

Firewerx posted...

"I sort of believe in him, but not enough to obey him" is kidding yourself that you believe, though. It's not faith; it's insincerity.

Only God can be the judge of that

Show me a non-judgemental Christian. A lot of them seem to think he's sub-contracted the work out to them.

EternalDivide posted...

I'm a Catholic. And yes, I've encountered the same damn thing.
Try not to let it bother you. They're idiots and they don't know what they're talking about despite how convinced they may be that they do.
Same thing from the same types that argue about catholics worshiping false idols because we have saints.
You can't argue with stupid and it's exhausting to even try.

There's definitely a case against Catholicism being legitimate Christianity when coming from other Christians, but it is objectively a Christian sect from an outsider's perspective. Those are all arguments with a certain, narrower context.

However I find it ironic when Catholics are far more involved in the religion than many "Christians" who just follow the religion insofar as believing in God and the mythos and accepting Jesus and maybe knowing the gist of like Noah's ark.

Catholics are obviously Christians. Anyone who says otherwise is just pushing some Great Schism rivalry propaganda that's still hanging around.

Religion be silly.
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Firewerx posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

Firewerx posted...

"I sort of believe in him, but not enough to obey him" is kidding yourself that you believe, though. It's not faith; it's insincerity.

Only God can be the judge of that

Show me a non-judgemental Christian. A lot of them seem to think he's sub-contracted the work out to them.

well they are mistaken and wrong imo
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