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toyota
07/21/18 3:43:29 AM
#1:


Who is stronger - Results (11 votes)
Goku
54.55% (6 votes)
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Superman
45.45% (5 votes)
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Cosmic_Diabetic
07/21/18 3:46:20 AM
#2:


Superman technically has infinite strength since he lifted up infinite knowledge with Shazam.

Goku has him on speed though. Superman almost always fights on earth so he can't allow himself to cause the kind of destruction that occurs in DB. And his power doesn't flow from him like DB guys do so that's why the world doesn't tremble when he goes full power while the earth shatters when goku and friends power up.
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Funkydog
07/21/18 3:49:41 AM
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Yeah, we know for sure it's Superman.
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008Zulu
07/21/18 3:54:55 AM
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No. It will never be. This debate will be continued by semi-sentient phone assistants, whose devices are on their last milliamps of power, long after humanity has succumbed to global nuclear war.
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WaffIeElite
07/21/18 4:07:37 AM
#5:


Both are too inconsistent in their power level and scaling. Comic Superman is basically God, and Superman TAS probably wouldn't last through the Saiyan Saga. Goku had scaled constantly, but is harder (But not impossible) to math out.

It doesn't help that Death Battle hilariously lowballed Goku by ignoring measurable feats and extrapolating. Instead, they used obviously false, poorly written offhand dialogue that any viewer would call bullshit on.

Now if we wanted to start doing math off of feats from Super (Notably the clashes between him and Beerus) and it's power scaling, we might see a wildly different outcome.
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FratMilkyHolme
07/21/18 4:10:38 AM
#6:


Goku isn't even that strong
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Foppe
07/21/18 4:14:15 AM
#7:


A fight between them would start at low power to test the other, then power up 3-5 times until one of them is stronger, then a plot device would make them even, and then they would discover that both are good guys being tricked to fight each others, they team up to take down the bad guy and it ends with a promise to spar fight in the future.
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LuffySkull
07/21/18 4:18:39 AM
#8:


Unless its Sundipped Superman I think Goku wins.

Superman is always at full power and tones it down so he doesnt kill people on accident.

Goku powers up when he needs to.

I dunno. I think it is wildly inconsistent on how to gauge them though.
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Scotty_Rogers
07/21/18 4:33:47 AM
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Tear gas = Goku loses
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8-bit_Biceps
07/21/18 6:07:41 AM
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Goku has instant transmission and can sense energy. He also has more friends who are radically powerful. Can't he just teleport Superman into (DB Super spoilers -->) that jug that they used in DB Super to banish Zamasu while Master Roshi performs the technique?
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known2FAIL
07/21/18 6:12:32 AM
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Why does Superman need help lifting something infinite? Help shouldn't help him at all yet he was only able to lift it with help.

What kind of logic is that?
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DrizztLink
07/21/18 6:15:28 AM
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hardy3786
07/21/18 6:27:21 AM
#14:


Yes, it's been settled. Superman loses.
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SpinKirby
07/21/18 6:43:36 AM
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apolloooo
07/21/18 6:50:08 AM
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008Zulu posted...
No. It will never be. This debate will be continued by semi-sentient phone assistants, whose devices are on their last milliamps of power, long after humanity has succumbed to global nuclear war.

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Shadowplay
07/21/18 6:52:30 AM
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Regardless of him losing, Superman is a better character.
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Turbam
07/21/18 6:59:11 AM
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Superman dat hoe!
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DarthWendy
07/21/18 7:04:44 AM
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NERD debate.
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Unknown860
07/21/18 7:15:01 AM
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Wariodorf posted...
hardy3786 posted...
Yes, it's been settled. Superman loses.

lolno

lolyes
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DarthWendy
07/21/18 7:31:21 AM
#22:


Surely @Zodd3224 can confirm that blue haircut Vegetal can beat anything.
/topic.
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El Mexicano Texano
07/21/18 7:52:39 AM
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In the time Goku takes to transform Superman would kill him.
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hardy3786
07/21/18 8:18:41 AM
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^lolno
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ThyCorndog
07/21/18 8:27:40 AM
#25:


Goku was always stronger. People think cause superman has super in his name that it makes him stronger than goku. It doesn't
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GigaSPX
07/21/18 8:35:17 AM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
In the time Goku takes to transform Superman would kill him.

And really, how long does it take for Goku to transfer into his blue god form? Seems almost instantaneous from what I've seen.
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Tyranthraxus
07/21/18 8:36:43 AM
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known2FAIL posted...
Why does Superman need help lifting something infinite? Help shouldn't help him at all yet he was only able to lift it with help.

What kind of logic is that?


The help didn't help him. He also lifts a book with infinite pages all on his own.
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kkTheKiller42
07/21/18 8:36:48 AM
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superman has tanked supernovas and lifted the book of infinite pages

I don't think goku has supernova level feats.
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Grimreaper1985
07/21/18 9:02:57 AM
#29:


Forgive my ignorance. Isn't Superman only strong because of earth's yellow sun?
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Tyranthraxus
07/21/18 9:06:50 AM
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Grimreaper1985 posted...
Forgive my ignorance. Isn't Superman only strong because of earth's yellow sun?

Yellow Sun radiation. Hotter stars will also work. He gets extra powers under Blue suns (Blue is the hottest color). Half powers under Orange suns (Bizarro Earth, Orange is slightly cooler than a Yellow sun), and loses powers under Red suns (Krypton, red is cooler than Orange).
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Grimreaper1985
07/21/18 9:32:19 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Grimreaper1985 posted...
Forgive my ignorance. Isn't Superman only strong because of earth's yellow sun?

Yellow Sun radiation. Hotter stars will also work. He gets extra powers under Blue suns (Blue is the hottest color). Half powers under Orange suns (Bizarro Earth, Orange is slightly cooler than a Yellow sun), and loses powers under Red suns (Krypton, red is cooler than Orange).

Thank you. I honestly didn't know that.
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Zodd3224
07/21/18 10:40:13 AM
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DarthWendy posted...
Surely @Zodd3224 can confirm that blue haircut Vegetal can beat anything.
/topic.


This
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DirkDiggles
07/21/18 10:44:43 AM
#33:


Shadowplay posted...
Regardless of him losing, Superman is a better character.


Dude wears his underwear over his pants.
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boxington
07/21/18 10:47:03 AM
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idk who wins and who loses, but I agree that Superman is the better character
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Knowledge_King
07/21/18 11:10:07 AM
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It's always been Superman.

Goku is only given chance by people who purposely ignore anything 'negative' for him and try to focus on his best feats and power scale up.

If you actually look at how both operate, Goku's not even particularly durable.
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hardy3786
07/21/18 4:28:20 PM
#36:


Why stop? Goku > Superman. It's settled.
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WaffIeElite
07/21/18 8:40:40 PM
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kkTheKiller42 posted...
superman has tanked supernovas and lifted the book of infinite pages

I don't think goku has supernova level feats.


Super Pefect Cell and Broly are capable of more than that. Broly annihilated a galaxy, and Cell was threatening (Convincingly) to destroy the solar system - given power scaling, there is no reason to believe that is a bluff at all.

Also Goku and Beerus do this early in Super:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW2c3_PyW3Q" data-time="

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kkTheKiller42
07/21/18 8:49:36 PM
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From what i understand broly didnt one shot the galaxy, just destroyed everything individually.
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Zikten
07/21/18 8:54:07 PM
#39:


LuffySkull posted...
Unless its Sundipped Superman I think Goku wins.

you are supposed to allow all forms in these things. it has to be ultimate goku form vs ultimate superman form. so yea, sundipped comes into account in this
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Zikten
07/21/18 8:54:54 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Goku was always stronger. People think cause superman has super in his name that it makes him stronger than goku. It doesn't

no it is cause some people read superman comics and actually know how freaking powerful superman is. most goku people don't actually read the comics and sometimes they try to go off the superman movies or the cartoons or something.
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RE_expert44
07/21/18 9:01:02 PM
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for a battle to take place we would have to pick a definitive version of each character. A place for the battle to be fought in. Bar off outside interference. And set a win condition.
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Tyranthraxus
07/21/18 9:05:01 PM
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Zikten posted...
LuffySkull posted...
Unless its Sundipped Superman I think Goku wins.

you are supposed to allow all forms in these things. it has to be ultimate goku form vs ultimate superman form. so yea, sundipped comes into account in this

If we're allowing -all- forms then Superman Prime roflstomps any version of Goku
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DrizztLink
07/21/18 9:07:11 PM
#43:


kkTheKiller42 posted...
From what i understand broly didnt one shot the galaxy, just destroyed everything individually.

Broly isn't Canon until the new movie comes out.
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mehmeh1
07/21/18 9:22:09 PM
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ben 10
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kkTheKiller42
07/21/18 9:27:15 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
kkTheKiller42 posted...
From what i understand broly didnt one shot the galaxy, just destroyed everything individually.

Broly isn't Canon until the new movie comes out.

Well i know that, i was just arguing against the guy who talked about him.
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Muffinz0rz
07/21/18 9:38:52 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/211141-dragon-ball-fighterz/76287986

Reminds me of my only true 500 topic, in which I created the topic and never posted again and it hit 500.
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DeadSite
07/21/18 10:01:36 PM
#47:


Anyone who actually thinks Goku stands a chance is just a fanboy ignoring feats tbh. That's not even a slight against Goku either - Superman is just that ridiculously overpowered even compared to Goku
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kkTheKiller42
07/21/18 10:52:29 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/211141-dragon-ball-fighterz/76287986

Reminds me of my only true 500 topic, in which I created the topic and never posted again and it hit 500.

i think i had one of those too on the comics board or ce, lol.
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K181
07/21/18 10:54:50 PM
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Goku instant transmits Superman to a planet orbiting a red star, then punches his head off.

Goku wins.
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kkTheKiller42
07/21/18 11:00:28 PM
#50:


K181 posted...
Goku instant transmits Superman to a planet orbiting a red star, then punches his head off.

Goku wins.

false, if he knew that suns gave supes his powers, he'd bring him to a planet with a blue sun cuz he'd want him to be at his strongest, then he'd get rekt.
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