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Antifar
07/19/18 2:04:58 PM
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https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5312792,00.html
Israel passed the nationality bill into law on Thursday to declare that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country, something which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hailed as the realization of Zionism's vision but which has stoked anger among critics who argue it is racist.

"One-hundred-and-twenty-two years after Herzl published his vision, we've enshrined into the law the basic principle of our existence," Netanyahu said. about the law, which was backed by the right-wing government in a stormy Knesset debate by a vote of 62-55.

Knesset members Benny Begin (Likud) and Orly Levy-Abekasis abstained in the 120-member Knesset after months of political argument, while Arab lawmakers, who say the law is racist and verges on a codification of apratheid, shouted and ripped up papers after the vote, prompting Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein to remove the Arab MKs from the plenum.

"This is a defining moment in the annals of Zionism and the history of the state of Israel," Netanyahu told the Knesset after the vote.

Israel, Netanyahu said during the pandemonium that erupted in the Knesset Plenum, is the only country in the Middle East that honors equal rights.

"Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people that honors the rights of all its citizens ... When I make speeches around the world, I reiterate this is our country, the country of the Jewish nation," he stated, explaining the reasons for the law.

"Over the past few years some attempt to question that and by doing so they question the foundations of our existence. This is the reason why we enshrined into a law this is our anthem, our language and our flag. Long live the State of Israel," he declared from the podium.

Largely symbolic, the law was enacted just after the 70th anniversary of the birth of the state of Israel. It stipulates that "Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it".

The bill also strips Arabic of its designation as an official language alongside Hebrew, downgrading it to a "special status" that enables its continued use within Israeli institutions.

Israel's Arabs number some 1.8 million, about 20 percent of the 9 million population.

Early drafts of the legislation went further in what critics at home and abroad saw as discrimination towards Israel's Arabs.

Clauses that were dropped in last-minute political wranglingand after objections by Israel's president and attorney generalwould have enshrined in law the establishment of Jewish-only communities, and instructed courts to rule according to Jewish ritual law when there were no relevant legal precedents.

Instead, a more vaguely-worded version was approved, which says: "The state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment."
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MK Avi Dichter (Likud), who also sponsored the bill, explained his reasons passing the law. We are enshrining this important bill into a law today to prevent even the slightest thought, let alone attempt, to transform Israel to a country of all its citizen," he said.

"When I listened attentively to the Joint List MKs, it was impossible to miss their clear words: 'We, the Arabs will win, we are in our homeland, we were here before you and we'll be here after you.' This Basic Law is the clear-cut answer to those who think that and it is clear: You were not here before us and you will not be here after us, he responded.

"The most you can do is to live among us as a national minority that enjoys equal individual rights, but not equality as a national minority, Dichter added.

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hortanz
07/19/18 2:07:51 PM
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I'm glad our two main allies in that region share the same values as us
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Paper_Okami
07/19/18 2:07:53 PM
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this is really bad.

to say the least
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catboy0_0
07/19/18 2:08:45 PM
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can we finally stop shielding Israel, or do we still need them?
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Omnislasher
07/19/18 2:09:51 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
can we finally stop shielding Israel, or do we still need them?

for what do or did you feel they were needed?
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Master_Bass
07/19/18 2:13:22 PM
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Omnislasher posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
can we finally stop shielding Israel, or do we still need them?

for what do or did you feel they were needed?

They're useful as a counter to Iran. I imagine why that's why we fund them.
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s0nicfan
07/19/18 2:19:19 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
can we finally stop shielding Israel, or do we still need them?


Antifar posted...
Israel's Arabs number some 1.8 million, about 20 percent of the 9 million population.


As long as every surrounding country continues to aim for a global purge of the jewish people, they still need shielding. You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.
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tennisdude818
07/19/18 2:30:54 PM
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God is not a real estate agent.
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catboy0_0
07/19/18 2:34:34 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

I can disagree by saying they don't have the right to make such policies unless they want to lose their shielding.
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s0nicfan
07/19/18 2:37:06 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

I can disagree by saying they don't have the right to make such policies unless they want to lose their shielding.


Well maybe focus some of that concern on the surrounding countries that have purged all their jews and are looking to do the same again and maybe Israel won't need to create such policies in the first place. Because you're showing a lot of concern for "Israel belongs to the jews" and no concern for the genocide going on around them.
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VectorChaos
07/19/18 2:41:00 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.


Pretty sure Israel can fucking body everyone around them.
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tennisdude818
07/19/18 2:43:16 PM
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Israel has more than enough firepower as it is. I dont see why we need to keep providing aid. I also dont see how it helps us to have a massive Israel lobby in America. But muh Russia, right?
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OmegaShinkai
07/19/18 3:34:19 PM
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Israel is the only nuclear power in the Middle East, they don't need protecting anymore.
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TrumpTrain
07/19/18 3:35:52 PM
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When the rest of the Middle East does the same damn shit, Israel can only do what it can to protect itself.
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s0nicfan
07/19/18 3:36:22 PM
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"We don't have to help prevent a genocide because they could just nuke their enemies" isn't a phrase I would expect most people to get behind.
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VectorChaos
07/19/18 3:40:38 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
"We don't have to help prevent a genocide because they could just nuke their enemies" isn't a phrase I would expect most people to get behind.

They would never need to go nuclear to win.

But I'm sure Netanyahu would love to anyways.
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BignutzisBack
07/19/18 3:46:42 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

I can disagree by saying they don't have the right to make such policies unless they want to lose their shielding.


Well maybe focus some of that concern on the surrounding countries that have purged all their jews and are looking to do the same again and maybe Israel won't need to create such policies in the first place. Because you're showing a lot of concern for "Israel belongs to the jews" and no concern for the genocide going on around them.


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Letron_James
07/19/18 3:47:22 PM
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Fuck Israel
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07/19/18 3:47:37 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
God is not a real estate agent.


Ever heard of Heaven? Only lets in certain people that meet his criteria.
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The Great Muta 22
07/19/18 3:49:17 PM
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Letron_James posted...
Fuck Israel

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Solar_Crimson
07/19/18 3:58:50 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
As long as every surrounding country continues to aim for a global purge of the jewish people, they still need shielding. You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

But Israel will likely start a genocide of its own at this rate.
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s0nicfan
07/19/18 4:00:30 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
s0nicfan posted...
As long as every surrounding country continues to aim for a global purge of the jewish people, they still need shielding. You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

But Israel will likely start a genocide of its own at this rate.


If and when they do, we can criticize them, but if you're really that concerned about genocides, ask the same question Israel did of each arabic member of the UN: "Where are your Jews?"
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ElatedVenusaur
07/19/18 4:13:22 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
s0nicfan posted...
As long as every surrounding country continues to aim for a global purge of the jewish people, they still need shielding. You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

But Israel will likely start a genocide of its own at this rate.

Start one? They're doing a great job of it already.
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RE_expert44
07/19/18 4:16:20 PM
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Lots of anti semites here
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Solar_Crimson
07/19/18 4:17:55 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
Lots of anti semites here

Criticism of Israel =/= antisemitism
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tennisdude818
07/19/18 4:18:36 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
Lots of anti semites here


Its not racist to criticize the Israeli government.
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EliteLevel
07/19/18 4:26:07 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
s0nicfan posted...
As long as every surrounding country continues to aim for a global purge of the jewish people, they still need shielding. You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

But Israel will likely start a genocide of its own at this rate.


If and when they do, we can criticize them, but if you're really that concerned about genocides, ask the same question Israel did of each arabic member of the UN: "Where are your Jews?"


Did the Jews leave these countries of their own accord or were they forced out?
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s0nicfan
07/19/18 4:28:28 PM
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EliteLevel posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
s0nicfan posted...
As long as every surrounding country continues to aim for a global purge of the jewish people, they still need shielding. You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

But Israel will likely start a genocide of its own at this rate.


If and when they do, we can criticize them, but if you're really that concerned about genocides, ask the same question Israel did of each arabic member of the UN: "Where are your Jews?"


Did the Jews leave these countries of their own accord or were they forced out?


Corpses can't do either.
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EliteLevel
07/19/18 4:31:09 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
EliteLevel posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
s0nicfan posted...
As long as every surrounding country continues to aim for a global purge of the jewish people, they still need shielding. You can disagree with some of Israel's policies without condemning them to genocide, you know.

But Israel will likely start a genocide of its own at this rate.


If and when they do, we can criticize them, but if you're really that concerned about genocides, ask the same question Israel did of each arabic member of the UN: "Where are your Jews?"


Did the Jews leave these countries of their own accord or were they forced out?


Corpses can't do either.


So they were killed off?
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Hop103
07/19/18 4:40:39 PM
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Israel is no better than their Hamas enemies. Let them both destroy each other and cleanse the world of their tyranny without the rest of the world getting blood on our hands.
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DarkTransient
07/19/18 4:44:11 PM
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Nevermind that though, did you know that in the US it's still legal to say the N word?! The US is objectively the most racist and disgusting place on Earth!!! </liberal>
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Antifar
07/19/18 4:45:36 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
Nevermind that though, did you know that in the US it's still legal to say the N word?! The US is objectively the most racist and disgusting place on Earth!!! </liberal>

You are smarter than this
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DarkTransient
07/19/18 4:48:20 PM
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Antifar posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Nevermind that though, did you know that in the US it's still legal to say the N word?! The US is objectively the most racist and disgusting place on Earth!!! </liberal>

You are smarter than this

I am, but the people I'm mocking aren't. ;)
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Metro2
07/19/18 5:01:52 PM
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All this because of religion. (Shakes head)

Israel needs a dose of atheism.
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The Great Muta 22
07/19/18 5:03:53 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
Antifar posted...
DarkTransient posted...
Nevermind that though, did you know that in the US it's still legal to say the N word?! The US is objectively the most racist and disgusting place on Earth!!! </liberal>

You are smarter than this

I am, but the people I'm mocking aren't. ;)


No, you actually aren't smarter than them
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andel
07/19/18 5:16:18 PM
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i support the right for israel to exist for certain but they do have some really bad policies. are they as bad as their neighbors? no, but it really shouldnt be a race to see who can be more evil tbh
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Cheater87
07/20/18 7:52:19 PM
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Lots of Jewish people don't like their policies.
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MakoReizei
07/20/18 7:57:49 PM
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How big is Israel compared to the Arab world again?
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Sphyx
07/20/18 8:09:47 PM
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What a contemptible country.
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Questionmarktarius
07/20/18 9:09:26 PM
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So... it's "problematic" that a theocratic nation exists in a region full of theocratic nations?
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LightningAce11
07/20/18 9:14:08 PM
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Why have Jewish people historically been picked on?
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E32005
07/20/18 9:15:45 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Why have Jewish people historically been picked on?

success mainly.

also jews could lend money in roman catholic times and that caused problems.
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s0nicfan
07/20/18 10:16:42 PM
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E32005 posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Why have Jewish people historically been picked on?

success mainly.

also jews could lend money in roman catholic times and that caused problems.


This, basically. For most of the Jewish people's history they have been under the rule of one Empire after another. In some cases that meant they had fewer rights, while in other cases it meant they literally couldn't own land. The result is, to survive they learned the value of dealing in currency and chose to charge interest at a time when other religions were explicitly barring it. This is both where the Jewish Banker meme, as well as a lot of animosity comes from. People have used their charging interest as justification for a lot of things, cuz they saw it as exploitive.

Jews are also historically one of the earliest people to actively encouraged literacy. For many nations, teaching the common people to read was seen like a recipe for disaster, but since the Jews never had a nations, they didn't have to worry about the common people rising up against them. This, combined with the banking, resulted in a small group of Highly Educated people who were good with finances build to survive when one Empire would inevitably be replaced by another.

They have also been pretty famously difficult to convert, so for many empires trying to force everyone under one religion they were seen like a general problem group. Of course, since they didn't actively try to convert anybody else, they also never really had good justification to punish them for it. So they tended to make stuff up.
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