Current Events > Are you for or against the death penalty?

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I think it should only be used if there is either a confession, overwhelming DNA evidence, camera footage, or something to prove that it was done without a doubt.

Somebody like the Boston bomber should have already been executed, in my opinion.
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southcoast09 posted...

I do think that lethal injection is inhumane, however. I think that the firing squad or the guillotine is a better choice.

I mean, I really don't care about "humane" anyway when it comes to the kinds of criminals that warrant the death penalty but... how exactly is lethal injection inhumane? They're first injected with a substance that will cause them to fall asleep, so even if the actual fatal substance was cruel, they wouldn't feel a thing. I'd say firing squad would probably be more inhumane than that; guillotine not so much (since I'd imagine it's a very quick death).
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Zikten posted...

Paragon21XX posted...

Oh, you mean the ones sentenced and executed before modern forensics became a thing? How many "innocents" have been sentenced to death because of forensic evidence pointing to their guilt?

it still happens today or there wouldn't be a thing called The Innocence Project or tons of documentaries about innocent people in prison or on death row

Stop dodging the question. How many of these so-called "innocent" people on death row were convicted because of forensics and not in spite of?
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Against. Criminals should only be killed in immediate defense of a life. Otherwise they should be given every opportunity to reflect on their crimes and hopefully repent before God.
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Paragon21XX posted...

Stop dodging the question. How many of these so-called "innocent" people on death row were convicted because of forensics and not in spite of?

many of these people have evidence sitting in lockers for years or decades and it takes the Innocence Project harassing the judges to finally get them tested and proof he didn't do it.

it doesn't matter what your asking. the point is that a bunch of people on Death Row should not be there. I would say probably at least 10% of all people in prison are innocent. Alot of it comes down to racism. many black men are just thrown away and people refuse to look into the case.

Whatever is cheapest to keep people who have huge, irreversible negative on society out of it
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Hairistotle posted...

Against. Innocents slip through the cracks. Additionally I think life in prison is an adequate punishment and going for blood is morally wrong.

How is being able to watch TV, and eat 3 times a day...and play basketball an adequate punishment for taking away someone's life?
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Hairistotle posted...

Against. Innocents slip through the cracks. Additionally I think life in prison is an adequate punishment and going for blood is morally wrong.

How is being able to watch TV, and eat 3 times a day...and play basketball an adequate punishment for taking away someone's life?

Because criminals that are death row worthy usually get all those perks.

23h solitary + 1h of phyiscal exercise is a way worse punishment than death.

GunmaN1905 posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Hairistotle posted...

Against. Innocents slip through the cracks. Additionally I think life in prison is an adequate punishment and going for blood is morally wrong.

How is being able to watch TV, and eat 3 times a day...and play basketball an adequate punishment for taking away someone's life?

Because criminals that are death row worthy usually get all those perks.

23h solitary + 1h of phyiscal exercise is a way worse punishment than death.

But if you're against the death penalty, then there wouldn't be death row?
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@happibivouac

Spree killers who target rapists, child molesters, and other evil people should be spared. Are they using vigilante justice ? yes but they are not deserving death for killing scum bags.

Give them a job or give them 1 year for each shit head they execute.
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Against it in all cases
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

As a result I'd prefer no death penalty, I'd prefer people be lead to think "how can we fix these people" as opposed to bandaging the wound.

And that's why there's always gonna be support for it. People don't like to think. They like to react. No interest in justice or rehab, just revenge.

It's no wonder our species will eventually ruin itself.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

My problem with the death penalty in and of itself is that people jump to that idea for mild shit, or things they don't and refuse to understand.

Although the cost of it is also annoying, but that's not my main gripe.

As a result I'd prefer no death penalty, I'd prefer people be lead to think "how can we fix these people" as opposed to bandaging the wound.

How can you rehab someone who's never going to re-enter society?
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@LinksLiege

Not many people will nor should they feel bad for a rapist, child molester, or child killer. Why waste time trying to fix them after the horrible shit they did ?

The whole lets fix them mindset would only give those kinds of people more reason to commit offenses since they will have some bleeding heart feel bad for the guy who raped and killed little Timmy. Takes all fear away from them but does embolden them to harm and kill.
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Keep strawmanning me with that bleeding heart shit.

Just proving the point I made.
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@LinksLiege

I am not saying your a bleeding heart but there are people out there that would think we can fix him/her for a child rapist and killer.
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No I don't. Mostly because I don't like the idea of the state being able to kill someone.

Like if a dad found his daughter being raped and killed the guy I wouldn't give two shits but I don't want the government to do it.
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For it, obviously. Anyone against it just wants to feel good about themselves. There are some seriously sick monsters in this world.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

I am not saying your a bleeding heart but there are people out there that would think we can fix him/her for a child rapist and killer.

Alright, fair enough. Sorry for the hostility there, it felt too much like stunts I've had other people pull when trying to argue this topic.

I'm not saying everyone can be fixed. If someone can't be, then I have no problem keeping them locked up. My point is that it's ludicrous to think the government can be trusted with that power. I don't like the idea of any group of people having legal clearance to kill, barring immediate self-defense. It's absurd that the "small government" party is the one who supports it more because...shit, once it can take your life, how much more power can a government have over its people?
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against

it costs more money to kill them, and that's what they would want anyways. let em rot for life.
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Strongly pro.

Fuck this expensive lethal injection/chair/chamber bullshit though. Bullet to the head kills just as fast.

Murderers and rapists and their ilk don't deserve to live and be paid for.

metralo posted...

against

it costs more money to kill them, and that's what they would want anyways. let em rot for life.

It actually costs more money to keep them alive
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Eye for an eye and everyone goes blind.

Well, if you don't want someone taking your eyelashes, don't go around taking the eyes of others.
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

metralo posted...

against

it costs more money to kill them, and that's what they would want anyways. let em rot for life.

It actually costs more money to keep them alive

Our current execution methods are extremely expensive though. Why exactly is a firing squad not acceptable? That would cost barely anything comparatively.

BWLurker posted...

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

metralo posted...

against

it costs more money to kill them, and that's what they would want anyways. let em rot for life.

It actually costs more money to keep them alive

Our current execution methods are extremely expensive though. Why exactly is a firing squad not acceptable? That would cost barely anything comparatively.

Take 'em out back and put a bullet in the head

Very cheap
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For the people that are for the death penalty, what do you say about convicted inmates who were later found to be innocent and how many people were executed already that were probably innocent?
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Expensive? So you're telling me to kill someone is like $100K+? I highly doubt a lethal injection costs that much. And we put animals down, we should do the same with people.
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For

And I want them to be quicker and cheaper. It should cost that much to have someone killed. I get that there are people that are on Death Row right now that might be innocent, and I think those are the ones that should be commuted. But for the sick people that there is no doubt, fuck 'em, kill them and then kill the next one
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

For the people that are for the death penalty, what do you say about convicted inmates who were later found to be innocent and how many people were executed already that were probably innocent?

That's why we need to reduce the likelihood of wrongful convictions in general. The same applies to life imprisonment.
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In theory yes but it's too hard to have absolute proof.
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gguirao posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

For the people that are for the death penalty, what do you say about convicted inmates who were later found to be innocent and how many people were executed already that were probably innocent?

That's why we need to reduce the likelihood of wrongful convictions in general. The same applies to life imprisonment.

And like I said, I'm talking about people I'm talking about the people that gloat about what they did. I guess it's kind of where you're from and what time you grew up in. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest in the 80's and 90's and we've had a shit-ton of serial killers around here that did really fucked up shit.
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Forlorn_Ass posted...

For the people that are for the death penalty, what do you say about convicted inmates who were later found to be innocent and how many people were executed already that were probably innocent?

Look at when those people were convicted.

The 70's and 80's.

What was the most recent conviction of a death row inmate that was overturned due to being innocent?
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I'm strongly against it
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

What was the most recent conviction of a death row inmate that was overturned due to being innocent?

Per this list, 2014
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

There have been five such cases this decade. Given the nature of our legal system (you rightly noted how many cases take 30, 40 years to overturn), my hunch is that those are just a fraction of the people who have been wrongfully convicted of capital crimes in recent years.
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Im for it depending on the type of evidence used to put the criminal away. Like if theres video evidence for instance, then I dont care if they give em the death penalty.
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I don't have a problem with it per se, all the problems I have with it have to do with our judicial system.

too expensive to keep someone in jail for life(no one ever pays attention to what happens to prisoners when they become to old to care for themselves because of dementia/whatever), too expensive to keep someone on death row appealing forever, too many people who were executed or about to be executed and then proven innocent. especially with all the stories coming out about cops framing people for stuff lately.
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kinetika_ posted...

Expensive? So you're telling me to kill someone is like $100K+? I highly doubt a lethal injection costs that much. And we put animals down, we should do the same with people.

The appeals is what makes it so expensive.
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ChainedRedone posted...

kinetika_ posted...

Expensive? So you're telling me to kill someone is like $100K+? I highly doubt a lethal injection costs that much. And we put animals down, we should do the same with people.

The appeals is what makes it so expensive.

And, let's be clear: calls to reduce or limit the appeals process are calls to execute more innocent people. That is the impact such policies would have.
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I'm all for it and a bit of an overhaul. I won't deny our justice system is flawed so it should be reserved only for cases with absolutely no doubt they did it. Like the Aurora shooter.

It also should be quicker and they should be executed within a year. It's also a bit cold but mental health really has no bearing. There is nothing that can be done to rehabilitate that type of person. If there was honestly they don't deserve it.
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southcoast09 posted...

I think it should only be used if there is either a confession, overwhelming DNA evidence, camera footage, or something to prove that it was done without a doubt.

A confession is not evidence. The vast majority of false convictions are based on confessions, usually given under duress.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

gguirao posted...

Forlorn_Ass posted...

For the people that are for the death penalty, what do you say about convicted inmates who were later found to be innocent and how many people were executed already that were probably innocent?

That's why we need to reduce the likelihood of wrongful convictions in general. The same applies to life imprisonment.

And like I said, I'm talking about people I'm talking about the people that gloat about what they did. I guess it's kind of where you're from and what time you grew up in. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest in the 80's and 90's and we've had a shit-ton of serial killers around here that did really fucked up shit.

Actually, I support the death penalty.
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Conflict posted...

dummy420 posted...

I'm all for it and a bit of an overhaul. I won't deny our justice system is flawed so it should be reserved only for cases with absolutely no doubt they did it. Like the Aurora shooter.

Even that's a slippery slope because there's a shitload of incompetent judges out there

Yeah the problem is it's always used in especially bad cases so there's a call for heads to roll. But there are times when there isn't any room for doubt. The trial is more of a question of why.
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I'm generally for it.

I'm also for any changes in the laws to make sure the person being executed is clear cut the guilty party.

My biggest problem with it is sometimes I think that it might be to easy on the criminal.
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