Current Events > I don't understand Jeff Goldblum's purpose in Jurassic Park.

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An_Actual_Chad 07/13/18 1:24:33 PM #1:	Talking about the original here. Like he did nothing to drive the plot forward at all. The plot kind of happened to him, but that was it. Made a few smart quips here and there, possibly a comic relief at points, and then theres that partially shirtless scene LOL! But from what I can see, the guy did NOTHING for the plot of the movie. Unless someone from CE can enlighten me and tell me why Im wrong? <cite>An_Actual_Chad posted [p:905011758] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>Talking about the original here. Like he did nothing to drive the plot forward at all. The plot kind of happened to him, but that was it. Made a few smart quips here and there, possibly a comic relief at points, and then theres that partially shirtless scene LOL! But from what I can see, the guy did NOTHING for the plot of the movie. Unless someone from CE can enlighten me and tell me why Im wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 07/13/18 1:25:32 PM #2:	He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:905011818] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiggy101011 07/13/18 1:26:41 PM #3:	IIRC hes a scientist wasnt he? His purpose was the other side of the science argument that dead things should stay dead and we shouldnt be playing God. --- Gamertag: F1RE v2 PSN ID: F1REx Man got me a 9 and she sexy. <cite>Jiggy101011 posted [p:905011876] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>IIRC hes a scientist wasnt he? His purpose was the other side of the science argument that dead things should stay dead and we shouldnt be playing God.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 07/13/18 1:27:00 PM #4:	Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:905011893] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 07/13/18 1:27:06 PM #5:	He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:905011897] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 07/13/18 1:27:40 PM #6:	Sex appeal --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:905011934] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>Sex appeal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
An_Actual_Chad 07/13/18 1:28:32 PM #7:	KhanJohnny posted... He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong. Then it failed because I dont think the scientists were wrong. The security and everything else about the park seemed to have taken all the necessary precautions. It was the insider (Newman from Seinfeld) that mucked everything up. He was crooked as hell to begin with. The things that went wrong had little to nothing to do with any design flaws of the park itself. <cite>An_Actual_Chad posted [p:905011974] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong.</quote> Then it failed because I dont think the scientists were wrong. The security and everything else about the park seemed to have taken all the necessary precautions. It was the insider (Newman from Seinfeld) that mucked everything up. He was crooked as hell to begin with. The things that went wrong had little to nothing to do with any design flaws of the park itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Behaviorism 07/13/18 1:29:16 PM #8:	No one in that movie mattered but Grant, Nedry, and Hammond. Hell, they never even mentioned the raptor dude after he got killed. --- I love Sarah Logan(the best girl in WWE) <cite>Behaviorism posted [p:905012015] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>No one in that movie mattered but Grant, Nedry, and Hammond. Hell, they never even mentioned the raptor dude after he got killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 07/13/18 1:33:04 PM #9:	An_Actual_Chad posted... KhanJohnny posted... He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong. Then it failed because I dont think the scientists were wrong. The security and everything else about the park seemed to have taken all the necessary precautions. It was the insider (Newman from Seinfeld) that mucked everything up. He was crooked as hell to begin with. The things that went wrong had little to nothing to do with any design flaws of the park itself. Dennis Nedry was the "butterfly" that destabilized the system that was the park. After the initial destabilization, the failures in the system started cascading according to Malcolm's chaos-theory predictions. (But they don't bother talking about any of this in the movie because it doesn't make for good film. [which is also why Andromeda Strain can't ever get a successful adaptation]) --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:905012229] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>An_Actual_Chad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong.</quote> Then it failed because I dont think the scientists were wrong. The security and everything else about the park seemed to have taken all the necessary precautions. It was the insider (Newman from Seinfeld) that mucked everything up. He was crooked as hell to begin with. The things that went wrong had little to nothing to do with any design flaws of the park itself.</quote> Dennis Nedry was the "butterfly" that destabilized the system that was the park. After the initial destabilization, the failures in the system started cascading according to Malcolm's chaos-theory predictions. (But they don't bother talking about any of this in the movie because it doesn't make for good film. [which is also why Andromeda Strain can't ever get a successful adaptation])</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Awesome 07/13/18 1:33:16 PM #10:	he was the yang to hammond, he was wearing black and hammond was wearing white. and the scene in the helicopter with grant not having the buckle to fit into the slot represents the female dinosaurs not being able to mate but grant found a way just like the dinosaurs did. --- https://imgur.com/gWCYPlD https://imgur.com/J9kjYjA https://imgur.com/Ls3OgWR <cite>Awesome posted [p:905012240] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>he was the yang to hammond, he was wearing black and hammond was wearing white. and the scene in the helicopter with grant not having the buckle to fit into the slot represents the female dinosaurs not being able to mate but grant found a way just like the dinosaurs did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 07/13/18 1:35:10 PM #11:	An_Actual_Chad posted... KhanJohnny posted... He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong. Then it failed because I dont think the scientists were wrong. The security and everything else about the park seemed to have taken all the necessary precautions. It was the insider (Newman from Seinfeld) that mucked everything up. He was crooked as hell to begin with. The things that went wrong had little to nothing to do with any design flaws of the park itself. Someone already brought up his chaos theory background, pursuant to which he might say that once you release this powerful and highly desirable technology there is no telling what lengths people will go to to obtain it, or how it will be used. Therefore, it isn't surprising that disaster occurred, and once released will set off a chain of reactions ad infinitum. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:905012338] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>An_Actual_Chad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>He's the avatar of the author/writers moralizing at you to make sure you know exactly why the scientists were wrong.</quote> Then it failed because I dont think the scientists were wrong. The security and everything else about the park seemed to have taken all the necessary precautions. It was the insider (Newman from Seinfeld) that mucked everything up. He was crooked as hell to begin with. The things that went wrong had little to nothing to do with any design flaws of the park itself.</quote> Someone already brought up his chaos theory background, pursuant to which he might say that once you release this powerful and highly desirable technology there is no telling what lengths people will go to to obtain it, or how it will be used. Therefore, it isn't surprising that disaster occurred, and once released will set off a chain of reactions ad infinitum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 07/13/18 1:37:34 PM #12:	He made a lot more sense as a character in the book. Long explanations for why the park will fail etc. --- "I also advised their executives through e-mail that further behavior could result in a cyber attack[...]" https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:905012469] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>He made a lot more sense as a character in the book. Long explanations for why the park will fail etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/13/18 1:37:56 PM #13:	definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory) <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905012491] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 07/13/18 1:38:49 PM #14:	eston posted... Sex appeal --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:905012534] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Sex appeal</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 07/13/18 1:38:49 PM #15:	DrizztLink posted... Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man. --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:905012535] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Behaviorism 07/13/18 1:43:23 PM #16:	Romes187 posted... definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory) Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system --- I love Sarah Logan(the best girl in WWE) <cite>Behaviorism posted [p:905012786] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory)</quote> Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omega cookie 07/13/18 1:48:34 PM #17:	The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. --- FFRK: BRKB - Eiko - Guardian Mog FFBE: 885,063,087 - Orlandeau - 931 ATK <cite>omega cookie posted [p:905013090] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 07/13/18 1:50:52 PM #18:	Behaviorism posted... Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system Take it a step further back than that, though - they tried to engineer a bulletproof system but (in their hubris) didn't account for the things they figured could never happen. Flawed counting system, no redundancies, no contingencies against sabotage, key potential points of failure overseen by one person... Hammond's arrogance wasn't just in trying to "play God" with creating dinosaurs, but in the entire park system. You can't predict all the things that can possibly go wrong, but you can over-engineer for those possibilities. Maybe not eliminate risk entirely, but mitigate it. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:905013228] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote>Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system</quote> Take it a step further back than that, though - they tried to engineer a bulletproof system but (in their hubris) didn't account for the things they figured could never happen. Flawed counting system, no redundancies, no contingencies against sabotage, key potential points of failure overseen by one person... Hammond's arrogance wasn't just in trying to "play God" with creating dinosaurs, but in the entire park system. You can't predict all the things that can possibly go wrong, but you can over-engineer for those possibilities. Maybe not eliminate risk entirely, but mitigate it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/13/18 1:51:34 PM #19:	DrizztLink posted... Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man. That's oddly specific... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:905013273] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man.</quote> That's oddly specific...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 07/13/18 1:52:18 PM #20:	For sexiness --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:905013312] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>For sexiness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 07/13/18 1:52:54 PM #21:	omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie. --- Buffalo Bills 2018-19 Season Prediction: 5-11 Change my mind <cite>theAteam posted [p:905013348] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/13/18 1:55:27 PM #22:	theAteam posted... omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie. Wasn't it in the second book where they napalm the raptor nest? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:905013474] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie.</quote> Wasn't it in the second book where they napalm the raptor nest?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/13/18 1:56:37 PM #23:	omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905013544] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/13/18 1:57:28 PM #24:	s0nicfan posted... theAteam posted... omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie. Wasn't it in the second book where they napalm the raptor nest? I think muldoon blows up a raptor when they get out of the building when the raptors are trying to get to them from the roof or something memory is a little fuzzy on that section i know they ride motorcycles in the second one at one point and run from raptors <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905013589] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie.</quote> Wasn't it in the second book where they napalm the raptor nest?</quote> I think muldoon blows up a raptor when they get out of the building when the raptors are trying to get to them from the roof or something memory is a little fuzzy on that section i know they ride motorcycles in the second one at one point and run from raptors</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 07/13/18 1:57:42 PM #25:	s0nicfan posted... theAteam posted... omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie. Wasn't it in the second book where they napalm the raptor nest? That is a separate incident but yes. --- Buffalo Bills 2018-19 Season Prediction: 5-11 Change my mind <cite>theAteam posted [p:905013601] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> The book > movie for the sole fact they blow up a raptor with a bazooka. I don't know why they didn't include that in the movie.</quote> Wasn't it in the second book where they napalm the raptor nest?</quote> That is a separate incident but yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PanzerElite 07/13/18 1:58:32 PM #26:	Romes187 posted... omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie I'd love for them to revisit some of his books though. Especially Sphere. --- What the goodness?! <cite>PanzerElite posted [p:905013653] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie</quote> I'd love for them to revisit some of his books though. Especially Sphere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 07/13/18 2:03:22 PM #27:	Behaviorism posted... Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system But why was one individual able to cause all that, and why wasn't there anyone who could counteract it? They literally had to get Hammond's teenage granddaughter to log onto the system and figure it out --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:905013912] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote>Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system</quote> But why was one individual able to cause all that, and why wasn't there anyone who could counteract it? They literally had to get Hammond's teenage granddaughter to log onto the system and figure it out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Behaviorism 07/13/18 2:09:56 PM #29:	16-BITTER posted... This topic would make more sense if you said you didn't understand his purpose in Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, since he was little more than an unnecessary framing device/cameo Dude got paid millions to read a couple of lines. His purpose in that movie was worthless except to say "Jurassic world" --- I love Sarah Logan(the best girl in WWE) <cite>Behaviorism posted [p:905014243] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote>This topic would make more sense if you said you didn't understand his purpose in Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, since he was little more than an unnecessary framing device/cameo</quote> Dude got paid millions to read a couple of lines. His purpose in that movie was worthless except to say "Jurassic world"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Behaviorism 07/13/18 2:10:58 PM #30:	eston posted... Behaviorism posted... Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system But why was one individual able to cause all that, and why wasn't there anyone who could counteract it? They literally had to get Hammond's teenage granddaughter to log onto the system and figure it out Tim also could have handed the gun to grant or ellie --- I love Sarah Logan(the best girl in WWE) <cite>Behaviorism posted [p:905014311] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote>Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system</quote> But why was one individual able to cause all that, and why wasn't there anyone who could counteract it? They literally had to get Hammond's teenage granddaughter to log onto the system and figure it out</quote> Tim also could have handed the gun to grant or ellie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turtlemayor333 07/13/18 2:13:43 PM #31:	This topic is literally demonstrating why he was needed. People keep saying, "It was Nedry!!!" That's fine, but there will always be people in the world who would exploit the dinosaurs. It's not like he was the only person in the universe who would have thought of it. That was the probably the whole point of making him such a bumbling clown - anyone could do it. The scientists should have known better. --- https://imgur.com/WWk7D https://imgur.com/hE7v5GL https://imgur.com/sY9YLKe https://imgur.com/9e67vqt <cite>Turtlemayor333 posted [p:905014467] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>This topic is literally demonstrating why he was needed. People keep saying, "It was Nedry!!!" That's fine, but there will always be people in the world who would exploit the dinosaurs. It's not like he was the only person in the universe who would have thought of it. That was the probably the whole point of making him such a bumbling clown - anyone could do it. The scientists should have known better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 07/13/18 2:15:00 PM #32:	i got the feeling that the constant repeat of "spared no expense" means that he spared absolutely every expense he could think of --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:905014540] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>i got the feeling that the constant repeat of "spared no expense" means that he spared absolutely every expense he could think of</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Behaviorism 07/13/18 2:16:48 PM #33:	Turtlemayor333 posted... This topic is literally demonstrating why he was needed. People keep saying, "It was Nedry!!!" That's fine, but there will always be people in the world who would exploit the dinosaurs. It's not like he was the only person in the universe who would have thought of it. That was the probably the whole point of making him such a bumbling clown - anyone could do it. The scientists should have known better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o4H4vc0wyI" data-time=" --- I love Sarah Logan(the best girl in WWE) <cite>Behaviorism posted [p:905014608] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Turtlemayor333 posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is literally demonstrating why he was needed. People keep saying, "It was Nedry!!!" That's fine, but there will always be people in the world who would exploit the dinosaurs. It's not like he was the only person in the universe who would have thought of it. That was the probably the whole point of making him such a bumbling clown - anyone could do it. The scientists should have known better.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o4H4vc0wyI" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LuffySkull 07/13/18 2:47:11 PM #34:	I feel like the movie and the book are both good but are also wildly different except for a few scenes. The characterization is very opposite in a lot of ways. Its one of the few times where the took liberties to make the movie more cohesive that actually worked. --- https://imgur.com/f9NvmJc <cite>LuffySkull posted [p:905016281] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>I feel like the movie and the book are both good but are also wildly different except for a few scenes. The characterization is very opposite in a lot of ways. Its one of the few times where the took liberties to make the movie more cohesive that actually worked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/13/18 9:29:35 PM #36:	the only thing the park did wrong was making predators. it should just be a plant eater park. that way the worst happens, people get stepped on but you have a better chance <cite>Zikten posted [p:905036631] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>the only thing the park did wrong was making predators. it should just be a plant eater park. that way the worst happens, people get stepped on but you have a better chance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 07/13/18 9:41:51 PM #37:	Read the book and you'll understand a bit better. He was brought in as a consultant to draw up his chaos model for Hammond and crew. Hammond got pissed because he predicted the park would fail on a catastrophic level. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:905037272] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>Read the book and you'll understand a bit better. He was brought in as a consultant to draw up his chaos model for Hammond and crew. Hammond got pissed because he predicted the park would fail on a catastrophic level.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 07/13/18 9:43:35 PM #38:	Zikten posted... the only thing the park did wrong was making predators. it should just be a plant eater park. that way the worst happens, people get stepped on but you have a better chance They created the compys to act as dung beetles for the sauropod droppings if I remember correctly. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:905037365] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>the only thing the park did wrong was making predators. it should just be a plant eater park. that way the worst happens, people get stepped on but you have a better chance</quote> They created the compys to act as dung beetles for the sauropod droppings if I remember correctly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 07/13/18 9:47:43 PM #39:	Behaviorism posted... Romes187 posted... definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory) Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system Nope. There were plenty of deaths and accidents, which is why Hammond wanted the scientists brought in to counteract the lawyer. The park was having issues throughout. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:905037580] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory)</quote> Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system</quote> Nope. There were plenty of deaths and accidents, which is why Hammond wanted the scientists brought in to counteract the lawyer. The park was having issues throughout.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 07/13/18 9:47:45 PM #40:	He's there to remind us that life...uh...finds a way. --- https://imgur.com/NngA1rp https://imgur.com/GRsCqBa <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:905037582] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>He's there to remind us that life...uh...finds a way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MhkaCHemistry 07/13/18 9:48:37 PM #41:	Romes187 posted... omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie There's a Timeline movie? Jfc just no. The book's fantastic but adapting that would be hell. --- https://imgur.com/iB1sU http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/juliaxx/Picture56.jpg Free stuff! <cite>MhkaCHemistry posted [p:905037632] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie</quote> There's a Timeline movie? Jfc just no. The book's fantastic but adapting that would be hell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/13/18 9:50:12 PM #42:	MhkaCHemistry posted... Romes187 posted... omega cookie posted... The23rdMagus posted... He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity. This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct. I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie There's a Timeline movie? Jfc just no. The book's fantastic but adapting that would be hell. It's as bad as you think it is :( I think an HBO mini series would do it justice...maybe 4 1 hour episodes <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905037710] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>MhkaCHemistry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>omega cookie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>He was extremely relevant in the book (since the overarching theme was chaos theory and the butterfly effect within a system, and he was a chaos theorist), but not so much in the movie other than to be the contrarian voice of sanity.</quote> This. One of the few examples of "Book > Movie" being objectively correct.</quote> I know a few MC books where that is the case namely timeline...yikes what a great book and a disaster of a movie</quote> There's a Timeline movie? Jfc just no. The book's fantastic but adapting that would be hell.</quote> It's as bad as you think it is :( I think an HBO mini series would do it justice...maybe 4 1 hour episodes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pikachupwnage 07/13/18 9:52:22 PM #44:	ROBANN_88 posted... i got the feeling that the constant repeat of "spared no expense" means that he spared absolutely every expense he could think of Spared no expense. He killed all of the expenses. --- https://imgur.com/cfZmEFd Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:905037821] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>i got the feeling that the constant repeat of "spared no expense" means that he spared absolutely every expense he could think of</quote> Spared no expense. He killed all of the expenses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 07/13/18 9:53:30 PM #45:	eston posted... Sex appeal The dude is such a fucking goober though He's like a half step up from Jerry Seinfeld <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:905037877] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Sex appeal</quote> The dude is such a fucking goober though He's like a half step up from Jerry Seinfeld</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/13/18 9:54:00 PM #46:	pikachupwnage posted... ROBANN_88 posted... i got the feeling that the constant repeat of "spared no expense" means that he spared absolutely every expense he could think of Spared no expense. He killed all of the expenses. See I thought it was more that he did indeed spare no expense, but no matter how much $ you dump into a complex system, you won't be able to control it <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905037900] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>pikachupwnage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote>i got the feeling that the constant repeat of "spared no expense" means that he spared absolutely every expense he could think of</quote> Spared no expense. He killed all of the expenses.</quote> See I thought it was more that he did indeed spare no expense, but no matter how much $ you dump into a complex system, you won't be able to control it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 07/13/18 10:00:51 PM #47:	~~These criticisms are meaningless. Science is the important thing. It justifies all that we do in its service.~~ --- https://imgur.com/uj3I7KD <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:905038231] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>These criticisms are meaningless. Science is the important thing. It justifies all that we do in its service. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 07/13/18 10:15:21 PM #48:	16-BITTER posted... Lil_Bit83 posted... Behaviorism posted... Romes187 posted... definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory) Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system Nope. There were plenty of deaths and accidents, which is why Hammond wanted the scientists brought in to counteract the lawyer. The park was having issues throughout. Yeah a guy literally dies in the opening minutes of the movie In the book. There were more before it really got started. --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:905039011] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>16-BITTER posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lil_Bit83 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Behaviorism posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>definitely recommend reading the book his role becomes much clearer aka do morphine and philosophize but if you don't think the scientists were wrong, let's define why they thought they were right. they figured they could control every aspect of the park. in the book they even have motion sensors to let them know exactly how many dinos are there in case any leave they bred them all to be females lysine deficiency...etc nedry was one part of the system breaking down but the book also talks about the fact that they didn't program the motion sensors to count HIGHER than what they figured the count should be...because why would they need that? all the dinos are female except that also broke down they found lysine rich foods off the island nedry happened... so it wasn't just an insider. it was a complete lack of control even though the arrogant scientists assumed they had it locked in and dialed in. you can draw the parallels to other complex systems if you'd like...each of these small issues compounds as time goes by and creates the disaster that happened (chaos theory)</quote> Haven't read the book, but in the movie there would have been zero deaths and destruction had nedry not turned off the power/system</quote> Nope. There were plenty of deaths and accidents, which is why Hammond wanted the scientists brought in to counteract the lawyer. The park was having issues throughout.</quote> Yeah a guy literally dies in the opening minutes of the movie</quote> In the book. There were more before it really got started.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lightwarrior78 07/13/18 10:15:45 PM #49:	Zikten posted... the only thing the park did wrong was making predators. it should just be a plant eater park. that way the worst happens, people get stepped on but you have a better chance Dumb, yes. But in reality, the average persons knowledge and interest in paleontology is the T-Rex. Just the likes of Brontosauruses lumbering around and the park's biggest failure would be long term financial woes. --- http://backloggery.com/reddthesock <cite>lightwarrior78 posted [p:905039035] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>the only thing the park did wrong was making predators. it should just be a plant eater park. that way the worst happens, people get stepped on but you have a better chance</quote> Dumb, yes. But in reality, the average persons knowledge and interest in paleontology is the T-Rex. Just the likes of Brontosauruses lumbering around and the park's biggest failure would be long term financial woes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 07/13/18 10:15:53 PM #50:	DrizztLink posted... Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man. Dude noo! --- I'm a chick <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:905039045] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>Don't you ever fucking question Jeff Goldblum. If he casts himself in your parents' sex tape you thank him and grab some Powerade for the man.</quote> Dude noo!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlameAnesthesia 07/13/18 10:50:08 PM #51:	Didn't read the whole thread to see if it was answered. It's pretty clearly explained in the movie. Investors for the park were worried after the accident with the worker and the velociraptor that happened in the beginning of the movie. They considered it a liability. They contracted a lawyer to hire independent scientists/experts to provide their consultation on the stability of the park to appease the investors. The lawyer technically worked for Hammond as well, by virtue of Hammond technically being beholden to the investors. But the lawyer probably had more of the investors interest at heart, whereas Hammond was an idealist. The lawyer picks Ian Malcolm, who was a mathematician in chaos theory, so someone who would attempt to characterize randomness in a system. And Hammond opted for Grant, who was a paleontologist and more likely to be sympathetic to the concept of a dinosaur park (in theory). If you follow the rest of the series, Ian Malcolm often plays some role where he provides testimony. In this sense, he's always been the expert consultant on Jurassic Park. In a literary device sense, he is the moralizing philosopher, the devil's advocate. --- https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/watson_medical_algorithm.png <cite>BlameAnesthesia posted [p:905040594] in I don'... [t:76803813]...</cite> <quote>Didn't read the whole thread to see if it was answered. It's pretty clearly explained in the movie. Investors for the park were worried after the accident with the worker and the velociraptor that happened in the beginning of the movie. They considered it a liability. They contracted a lawyer to hire independent scientists/experts to provide their consultation on the stability of the park to appease the investors. The lawyer technically worked for Hammond as well, by virtue of Hammond technically being beholden to the investors. But the lawyer probably had more of the investors interest at heart, whereas Hammond was an idealist. The lawyer picks Ian Malcolm, who was a mathematician in chaos theory, so someone who would attempt to characterize randomness in a system. And Hammond opted for Grant, who was a paleontologist and more likely to be sympathetic to the concept of a dinosaur park (in theory). If you follow the rest of the series, Ian Malcolm often plays some role where he provides testimony. In this sense, he's always been the expert consultant on Jurassic Park. In a literary device sense, he is the moralizing philosopher, the devil's advocate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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