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lilORANG
07/12/18 10:22:25 AM
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>party of Lincoln
>"dems were the party of slavery!"
>"the confederacy was great!

but that means you're no longer the party of Lincoln and on the same side as dems. HMMMM.
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Drowning__Fish_
07/12/18 10:23:23 AM
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wait for it
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darkjedilink
07/12/18 10:24:05 AM
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I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.
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spudger
07/12/18 10:24:14 AM
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Drowning__Fish_ posted...
wait for it

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DifferentialEquation
07/12/18 10:25:31 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.

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Abyssea
07/12/18 10:25:38 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.


The south are still flying confederate flags where they can, soooo...
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Alphamon
07/12/18 10:26:07 AM
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wow the usual suspects are already trolling
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darkjedilink
07/12/18 10:26:31 AM
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Abyssea posted...
darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.


The south are still flying confederate flags where they can, soooo...

You mean, like the ones in Arkansas that Bill Clinton mandated by law when he was governor?

Was he a Republican then?
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
07/12/18 10:27:35 AM
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AKuOO38

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Alphamon
07/12/18 10:28:48 AM
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
AKuOO38

Always remember.

liberty for slavery

god im so glad the confederates got whooped
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BWLurker
07/12/18 10:29:49 AM
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It's absolutely nothing to do with party names and everything with values

Quite simply

Republicans were the party of big government, federal power, new ideas to progress the country, and wanted to keep the union together

Democrats were the party of small government, states rights, old traditionalist values, and wanted to split

Republicans were liberal and Democrats were conservative. There's no denying the parties swapped ideologies at some point.
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BruceWayneJr
07/12/18 10:30:33 AM
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They'd rather be cowards than own up to their bigotry, so most of the time they're inconsistent and not worth talking to.
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Abyssea
07/12/18 10:31:10 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Abyssea posted...
darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.


The south are still flying confederate flags where they can, soooo...

You mean, like the ones in Arkansas that Bill Clinton mandated by law when he was governor?

Was he a Republican then?


that one example doesn't erase all the other examples of staunch republicans flying those flags. They even have them on government property in NC.
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Antifar
07/12/18 10:31:41 AM
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Bill Clinton is a conservative Democrat. His presidency was marked by slashing welfare, deregulation the financial and telecommunications industries, and imposing new "tough on crime" policies.
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Alphamon
07/12/18 10:32:26 AM
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do people not realize bill clinton was popular as hell among southerners?
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lilORANG
07/12/18 10:33:51 AM
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BWLurker posted...
There's no denying the parties swapped ideologies at some point.

basically every conservative I've ever met denies this. They even post ridiculous videos like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiprVX4os2Y" data-time="


and if it's merely about values, why do people bring up the "dems were the party of slavery and the klan!" taking point so often? It's not values, it's cognitive dissonance.
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Antifar
07/12/18 10:36:03 AM
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To say they "swapped ideologies" is an oversimplification. Democrats were the party of workers (especially after FDR) in the north even as they were the party of Southern segregationists. Republicans even before the 60s were a party that favored big industry.
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Caution999
07/12/18 10:48:45 AM
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Who the hell is saying the Confederacy was great?

We respect the fallen. We respect our fellow countrymen that died fighting for what they believed in - no matter how wrong it was.

Lincoln forgave the South. Perhaps its time you do, too?
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creativerealms
07/12/18 10:49:58 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.

Go down south. Those people with Confederate flags don't vote Democrat.
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Abyssea
07/12/18 10:51:16 AM
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Caution999 posted...
Who the hell is saying the Confederacy was great?

We respect the fallen. We respect our fellow countrymen that died fighting for what they believed in - no matter how wrong it was.

Lincoln forgave the South. Perhaps its time you do, too?


If the south actually showed some remorse we might be inclined to forgive them.
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Caution999
07/12/18 10:53:44 AM
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How are they supposed to show remorse for something that happened before they were born?

C'mon dude.
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buddhamonster
07/12/18 10:54:56 AM
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Conservatives: Lincoln was a Republican! Take that libs!

The same conservatives: check out my new Confederate bumper stick!!!!!!!!
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Abyssea
07/12/18 10:56:22 AM
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Caution999 posted...
How are they supposed to show remorse for something that happened before they were born?

C'mon dude.


Maybe stop emblazoning the confederate flag on everything and crying over traitor monuments getting moved?
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spudger
07/12/18 10:57:06 AM
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Alphamon posted...
WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
AKuOO38

Always remember.

liberty for slavery

god im so glad the confederates got whooped

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Southernfatman
07/12/18 10:58:24 AM
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The Republican party and the confederacy have a few things in common.

Both are just the rich's way to control the country and both use(d) the general populaces' fear, bigotry, and patriotism to trick people into supporting them and distract the people from the fucking they get from the rich.
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The Great Muta 22
07/12/18 10:59:16 AM
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Caution999 posted...
How are they supposed to show remorse for something that happened before they were born?

C'mon dude.


Perhaps by not glorifying, justifying, and wishing that we returned to those values. You may be ignorant to the whole "Lost Cause" movement, but that doesn't mean it didn't and doesn't still exist.

Fuck em
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spudger
07/12/18 11:00:38 AM
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Lol caution

Why u support racists?
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The Great Muta 22
07/12/18 11:01:17 AM
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Abyssea posted...
Caution999 posted...
How are they supposed to show remorse for something that happened before they were born?

C'mon dude.


Maybe stop emblazoning the confederate flag on everything and crying over traitor monuments getting moved?


"But muh statues(that were mostly constructed during 2 different times in history that civil rights were expanding)!!!"
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mario2000
07/12/18 11:02:02 AM
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These are the same people that are praising Trump for pardoning terrorists.
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davyheinz
07/12/18 11:04:18 AM
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But why does LiberalFAQs always pick the wrong side?
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Caution999
07/12/18 11:06:42 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Caution999 posted...
How are they supposed to show remorse for something that happened before they were born?

C'mon dude.


Perhaps by not glorifying, justifying, and wishing that we returned to those values. You may be ignorant to the whole "Lost Cause" movement, but that doesn't mean it didn't and doesn't still exist.

Fuck em


I think it's hard to put yourself in their shoes and know what they're thinking. I think, that, in and of itself, is ignorant. I think the majority of people are not looking to move backwards. There's a certain respect they may be giving old leaders that are now historic. Yes, some of them may be ignorant to the feelings that these historical war leaders make others feel. No doubt.

I think most people, in their heart of hearts, truly don't mean anyone any harm.
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mario2000
07/12/18 11:07:05 AM
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hm maybe these racist rebels fighting for the ability to own slaves deserve a little more respect
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Caution999
07/12/18 11:07:42 AM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Caution999 posted...
Who the hell is saying the Confederacy was great?

We respect the fallen. We respect our fellow countrymen that died fighting for what they believed in - no matter how wrong it was.

Lincoln forgave the South. Perhaps its time you do, too?


not every fallen deserve respect and they weren't your countrymen when they seceded.


Completely disagree. Both sides were American. One side was fighting for a more noble cause, obviously.
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Caution999
07/12/18 11:10:50 AM
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mario2000 posted...
hm maybe these racist rebels fighting for the ability to own slaves deserve a little more respect


Consider the balls it took for America to be born. What they did in 1776 isn't much different than what the Confederacy did. They had guts to stand up for what they wanted. Granted, what they wanted was wrong, but there you have it.
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NibeIungsnarf
07/12/18 11:17:33 AM
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Caution999 posted...
We respect our fellow countrymen that died fighting for what they believed in - no matter how wrong it was.

Why?

That seems arbitrary and worthless.
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Caution999
07/12/18 11:20:51 AM
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Because it was the same American attitude that caused us to leave Britain's grasp to begin with.
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mario2000
07/12/18 11:22:15 AM
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it may be wrong for that plantation owner to whip his slaves, but you gotta admire his technique!
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NibeIungsnarf
07/12/18 11:22:41 AM
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That's also arbitrary. You celebrate the founding fathers cause they won and established your country. How is celebrating Stonewall different from celebrating Benedict Arnold?
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Taharqa_
07/12/18 11:24:10 AM
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creativerealms posted...
darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.

Go down south. Those people with Confederate flags don't vote Democrat.


Don't even have to go down south. Confederate flag waivers in the midwest don't vote Democrat either. They're often poor, rural, and vote Republican
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darkjedilink
07/12/18 11:25:59 AM
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Abyssea posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Abyssea posted...
darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.


The south are still flying confederate flags where they can, soooo...

You mean, like the ones in Arkansas that Bill Clinton mandated by law when he was governor?

Was he a Republican then?


that one example doesn't erase all the other examples of staunch republicans flying those flags. They even have them on government property in NC.

And who signed the law demanding it?
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halomonkey1_3_5
07/12/18 11:27:23 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
I guess I just never met a Republican who thinks that the Confederacy was great.

you must not know many republicans
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mario2000
07/12/18 11:30:08 AM
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darkjedilink has made a career out of being disingenuous
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Abyssea
07/12/18 11:32:41 AM
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Caution999 posted...
mario2000 posted...
hm maybe these racist rebels fighting for the ability to own slaves deserve a little more respect


Consider the balls it took for America to be born. What they did in 1776 isn't much different than what the Confederacy did. They had guts to stand up for what they wanted. Granted, what they wanted was wrong, but there you have it.


The fact that what they wanted was horrible and dehumanizing makes 1776 hugely different than what the confederacy did. You're delusional to even try and make that comparison.
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Caution999
07/12/18 11:34:36 AM
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I just respect historical things.

I'm sorry if this offends you.
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mario2000
07/12/18 11:35:54 AM
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Caution999 posted...
I just respect historical things.

I'm sorry if this offends you.

"y'know, the trains that hitler used to ship the jews off to the ovens were very well manufactured" - Caution999
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Abyssea
07/12/18 11:36:15 AM
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Caution999 posted...
I just respect historical things.

I'm sorry if this offends you.


doesn't offend me, just amazes me really.
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