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KamenRiderBlade 07/08/18 9:06:03 PM #102:	I'd prefer "Nationalized Health Insurance" that is Non-Profit in Nature along with legislation to tamp down against the corrupt Excessive Profit Margins of "Big Pharma, Some Doctors, Some Medical Equipment Providers, Some Hospitals, etc". The power of "Nationalized Health Insurance" where all 325 million citizens on board can have a HUGE leveraging power against all those companies. I do agree that you can't force Health Care Providers against their will from servicing a person. But the US should have a right to control the "Insurance" aspect. A Non-Profit, sustainable model that charges all insuree's accurately based on their medical history and can't reject anybody would be a better model IMO. Everybody would pay a Monthly fee like the current model, but it would be towards this independent group who runs the "Nationalized Health Insurance" in a Non-Profit way with maximum transparency required through legislation and force the pricing to be as cheap as possible for all required medical services & products to prevent gouging of the NHI. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:904728538] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>I'd prefer "Nationalized Health Insurance" that is Non-Profit in Nature along with legislation to tamp down against the corrupt Excessive Profit Margins of "Big Pharma, Some Doctors, Some Medical Equipment Providers, Some Hospitals, etc". The power of "Nationalized Health Insurance" where all 325 million citizens on board can have a HUGE leveraging power against all those companies. I do agree that you can't force Health Care Providers against their will from servicing a person. But the US should have a right to control the "Insurance" aspect. A Non-Profit, sustainable model that charges all insuree's accurately based on their medical history and can't reject anybody would be a better model IMO. Everybody would pay a Monthly fee like the current model, but it would be towards this independent group who runs the "Nationalized Health Insurance" in a Non-Profit way with maximum transparency required through legislation and force the pricing to be as cheap as possible for all required medical services & products to prevent gouging of the NHI.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 07/08/18 9:23:55 PM #103:	darkjedilink posted... How do we not have 'socialized medicine' when the US government is the largest healthcare provider? By, like, a LOT. because it's not for everybody. --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:904729462] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>How do we not have 'socialized medicine' when the US government is the largest healthcare provider? By, like, a LOT.</quote> because it's not for everybody.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 07/08/18 9:50:05 PM #104:	darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending. You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered? Not by this administration. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:904730801] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite><quote>The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending.</quote> You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy</quote> So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered?</quote> Not by this administration.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 07/09/18 6:48:55 AM #106:	tote_all posted... Do you actually believe "deficit financing" means "accumulating debt"? It doesn't. It means the money comes from somewhere else. That ridiculous mentality that makes you believe nothing can run without making a direct monetary profit is flawed. It means borrowing or printing to make up the difference between tax revenues and expenditures. It's less sustainable to have to borrow to fund permanent social programs than to fund temporary projects like a new bridge. Keep in mind that interest rates have been low for decades which enabled massive government growth across the West and Japan. Rates won't stay low forever. Making people dependent on unsustainable programs really isn't all that good for anyone in the end, but that doesn't stop the UHC proponents from thinking that they have a moral high ground. Part of that comes from mistaking the US as a free market (our healthcare system isn't even close). And part of it comes from the typical leftist attitude from not caring about deficits. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904749009] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote>Do you actually believe "deficit financing" means "accumulating debt"? It doesn't. It means the money comes from somewhere else. That ridiculous mentality that makes you believe nothing can run without making a direct monetary profit is flawed.</quote> It means borrowing or printing to make up the difference between tax revenues and expenditures. It's less sustainable to have to borrow to fund permanent social programs than to fund temporary projects like a new bridge. Keep in mind that interest rates have been low for decades which enabled massive government growth across the West and Japan. Rates won't stay low forever. Making people dependent on unsustainable programs really isn't all that good for anyone in the end, but that doesn't stop the UHC proponents from thinking that they have a moral high ground. Part of that comes from mistaking the US as a free market (our healthcare system isn't even close). And part of it comes from the typical leftist attitude from not caring about deficits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/09/18 12:28:21 PM #107:	https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/04/robots-nhs-surgeons-keyhole-surgery-versius We need more of this if you want the real costs of healthcare to go down. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904760464] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/04/robots-nhs-surgeons-keyhole-surgery-versius We need more of this if you want the real costs of healthcare to go down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/09/18 12:32:48 PM #108:	have we defined negative versus positive rights itt yet i didnt read <cite>Romes187 posted [p:904760750] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>have we defined negative versus positive rights itt yet i didnt read</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/09/18 12:39:37 PM #109:	Romes187 posted... have we defined negative versus positive rights itt yet i didnt read Post 49. Nobody responded. tennisdude818 posted... A free market in health care would result in lower prices, so it would be easier to help poor people through voluntary means rather than via government coercion. I believe in negative rights, not positive rights. Negative rights include the right to not be attacked, robbed, censored, etc. Positive rights are rights to goods and services, and cannot coexist with negative rights. If a poor person has a "positive right" to goods and services, then the "negative rights" of others must be violated through wealth redistribution. I think it's much more moral to help people voluntarily than by stealing. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904761127] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>have we defined negative versus positive rights itt yet i didnt read</quote> Post 49. Nobody responded. <cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>A free market in health care would result in lower prices, so it would be easier to help poor people through voluntary means rather than via government coercion. I believe in negative rights, not positive rights. Negative rights include the right to not be attacked, robbed, censored, etc. Positive rights are rights to goods and services, and cannot coexist with negative rights. If a poor person has a "positive right" to goods and services, then the "negative rights" of others must be violated through wealth redistribution. I think it's much more moral to help people voluntarily than by stealing.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/09/18 12:51:27 PM #110:	Also there's a difference between inherent human rights and rights as Americans. The rights in the US Constitution are rights we have as Americans. Many of the amendments cover inherent human rights but not all of them. Health care isn't an American right as of now and it's not a human right either. It's a societal right. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:904761715] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Also there's a difference between inherent human rights and rights as Americans. The rights in the US Constitution are rights we have as Americans. Many of the amendments cover inherent human rights but not all of them. Health care isn't an American right as of now and it's not a human right either. It's a societal right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 07/09/18 1:00:33 PM #111:	As soon as people stop becoming obese and stop doing drugs. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:904762172] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>As soon as people stop becoming obese and stop doing drugs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/09/18 1:03:11 PM #112:	Everyone should have free health care Well except fat people And old people Better yet, let's just make being fat and/or old illegal protip, if you use flairs properly, I'll never post in your politics topics again. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif https://imgur.com/kU5vu5N Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:904762298] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Everyone should have free health care Well except fat people And old people Better yet, let's just make being fat and/or old illegal protip, if you use flairs properly, I'll never post in your politics topics again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 07/09/18 1:16:34 PM #114:	_OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending. You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered? Not by this administration. Ahh, so you're against high taxation because of Trump. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904763072] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite><quote>The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending.</quote> You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy</quote> So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered?</quote> Not by this administration.</quote> Ahh, so you're against high taxation because of Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/09/18 1:17:58 PM #115:	tote_all posted... tennisdude818 posted... tote_all posted... Do you actually believe "deficit financing" means "accumulating debt"? It doesn't. It means the money comes from somewhere else. That ridiculous mentality that makes you believe nothing can run without making a direct monetary profit is flawed. It means borrowing or printing to make up the difference between tax revenues and expenditures. It's less sustainable to have to borrow to fund permanent social programs than to fund temporary projects like a new bridge. Keep in mind that interest rates have been low for decades which enabled massive government growth across the West and Japan. Rates won't stay low forever. Making people dependent on unsustainable programs really isn't all that good for anyone in the end, but that doesn't stop the UHC proponents from thinking that they have a moral high ground. Part of that comes from mistaking the US as a free market (our healthcare system isn't even close). And part of it comes from the typical leftist attitude from not caring about deficits, unless it's politically advantageous to temporarily pretend to care for partisan reasons (e.g. Paul Krugman). "People shouldn't be denied treatment they need to survive or have a decent quality of life" "BUT THE LEFT" Shut the fuck up about left vs right already. Im not sure why you even quoted me if youre just going to post something like that. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904763147] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote>Do you actually believe "deficit financing" means "accumulating debt"? It doesn't. It means the money comes from somewhere else. That ridiculous mentality that makes you believe nothing can run without making a direct monetary profit is flawed.</quote> It means borrowing or printing to make up the difference between tax revenues and expenditures. It's less sustainable to have to borrow to fund permanent social programs than to fund temporary projects like a new bridge. Keep in mind that interest rates have been low for decades which enabled massive government growth across the West and Japan. Rates won't stay low forever. Making people dependent on unsustainable programs really isn't all that good for anyone in the end, but that doesn't stop the UHC proponents from thinking that they have a moral high ground. Part of that comes from mistaking the US as a free market (our healthcare system isn't even close). And part of it comes from the typical leftist attitude from not caring about deficits, unless it's politically advantageous to temporarily pretend to care for partisan reasons (e.g. Paul Krugman).</quote> "People shouldn't be denied treatment they need to survive or have a decent quality of life" "BUT THE LEFT" Shut the fuck up about left vs right already.</quote> Im not sure why you even quoted me if youre just going to post something like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 07/09/18 1:30:39 PM #117:	tote_all posted... I'm not sure why you even posted something like that when the issue is "what happens if someone needs treatment they can't afford". What is your proposal for that? As opposed to bloated government programs that will likely implode in our lifetimes? Get the government out if it so prices can come down, drugs arent so time consuming and expensive to get to market, and so voluntary help is more able to fill the remaining gaps. Big pharma likes being over regulated because it prevents competition. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904763896] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure why you even posted something like that when the issue is "what happens if someone needs treatment they can't afford". What is your proposal for that?</quote> As opposed to bloated government programs that will likely implode in our lifetimes? Get the government out if it so prices can come down, drugs arent so time consuming and expensive to get to market, and so voluntary help is more able to fill the remaining gaps. Big pharma likes being over regulated because it prevents competition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 07/09/18 3:35:41 PM #118:	darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending. You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered? Not by this administration. Ahh, so you're against high taxation because of Trump. Of all politicians, I trust Trump the least to actually do any good with any savings we might garner, so you could say that, yes. --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:904770822] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite><quote>The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending.</quote> You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy</quote> So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered?</quote> Not by this administration.</quote> Ahh, so you're against high taxation because of Trump.</quote> Of all politicians, I trust Trump the least to actually do any good with any savings we might garner, so you could say that, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 07/09/18 3:41:35 PM #119:	Because its a bad idea and it never works as intended. --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:904771147] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Because its a bad idea and it never works as intended.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Iwin2013 07/09/18 4:12:59 PM #121:	tote_all posted... @Iwin2013 posted... Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket What is your job? tennisdude818 posted... tote_all posted... tennisdude818 posted... Yeah, thats why we need to get the government out of healthcare. Lmao, do you really think that's the issue? What do you know about healthcare in places that aren't the US? I know that they generally rely on deficit financing, which wont last forever. Do you actually believe "deficit financing" means "accumulating debt"? It doesn't. It means the money comes from somewhere else. That ridiculous mentality that makes you believe nothing can run without making a direct monetary profit is flawed. Maintenance Worker. --- MAGA 2020 <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:904772868] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket</quote> What is your job? <cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, thats why we need to get the government out of healthcare.</quote> Lmao, do you really think that's the issue? What do you know about healthcare in places that aren't the US?</quote> I know that they generally rely on deficit financing, which wont last forever.</quote> Do you actually believe "deficit financing" means "accumulating debt"? It doesn't. It means the money comes from somewhere else. That ridiculous mentality that makes you believe nothing can run without making a direct monetary profit is flawed.</quote> Maintenance Worker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/09/18 4:20:26 PM #122:	tote_all posted... tennisdude818 posted... , drugs arent so time consuming and expensive to get to market Oh so you really don't know what you're talking about. I mean, I thought you were just overly focused on the political/economical debate, but you actually have no idea what you're saying. tennisdude818 posted... voluntary help is more able to fill the remaining gaps And you are ironically suggesting charity for the terminally ill. Damn. May I ask what field do you work on? To be clear, I was saying we should reduce the footprint of government in the industry so that drugs would not take so long to get to market. You have to quote my entire sentence if thats where youre confused. Im in a different area of finance now, but in the past I was involved in venture lending to tech and life science companies. The FDA really does put up massive multi year barriers to new drugs. You can try to argue that the lives saved from those protections outnumber the lives lost from delaying life extending drugs, but its impossible to know for sure. The FDA raises the barrier to profitability to the point that we will never know how many ideas were abandoned based on the cost/benefit analysis. And yes, I think people would voluntarily step up and help poor people obtain healthcare. Especially if the government steps out of the way, leading to lower prices and taxes. That is much more moral than saddling the next generation with debt from present social program spending. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904773277] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>, drugs arent so time consuming and expensive to get to market</quote> Oh so you really don't know what you're talking about. I mean, I thought you were just overly focused on the political/economical debate, but you actually have no idea what you're saying. <cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>voluntary help is more able to fill the remaining gaps</quote> And you are ironically suggesting charity for the terminally ill. Damn. May I ask what field do you work on?</quote> To be clear, I was saying we should reduce the footprint of government in the industry so that drugs would not take so long to get to market. You have to quote my entire sentence if thats where youre confused. Im in a different area of finance now, but in the past I was involved in venture lending to tech and life science companies. The FDA really does put up massive multi year barriers to new drugs. You can try to argue that the lives saved from those protections outnumber the lives lost from delaying life extending drugs, but its impossible to know for sure. The FDA raises the barrier to profitability to the point that we will never know how many ideas were abandoned based on the cost/benefit analysis. And yes, I think people would voluntarily step up and help poor people obtain healthcare. Especially if the government steps out of the way, leading to lower prices and taxes. That is much more moral than saddling the next generation with debt from present social program spending.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThrillKillFan 07/09/18 4:55:46 PM #123:	tennisdude818 posted... And yes, I think people would voluntarily step up and help poor people obtain healthcare. Especially if the government steps out of the way, leading to lower prices and taxes. That is much more moral than saddling the next generation with debt from present social program spending. What would be better would be if the healthcare industry in this country wasn't FOR PROFIT and gouged on every service they provide in the hopes that one insurance provider or another might actually pay the downright obscene charges they bill to the insurance companies. Same applies to the insurance companies. When I had an individual plan from Blue Cross here in the 90's we started out paying $80 a month for very basic care. Within a year or so that very basic plan was $200+ because according to the insurance company 'people were over using their plans' and/or 'they had to increase it to pay for new tech/procedures'. Yet I'm willing to bet if any people insured under those plans had one of those new procedures they were left holding the bag for the most part as the insurance likely denied their claim. I almost forgot to mention that at the time I had this individual plan the insurer had a billion dollars in cash reserves. Yet they wouldn't part with a shekel to keep rates low for their subscribers. So excuse me if I'd rather we ALL be under the government insurance plan(Medicaid/Medicare) and providers had to accept whatever they were given from those plans as payment in full rather than putting people into poverty because they couldn't help but have an accident or other sudden illness and had to choose between healthcare or actual necessities like food and shelter. --- Internet forum logic: When my opinion agrees with yours we're good. When it doesn't, the one with the different opinion is 'whining'. Gotta love the internet! <cite>ThrillKillFan posted [p:904775288] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>And yes, I think people would voluntarily step up and help poor people obtain healthcare. Especially if the government steps out of the way, leading to lower prices and taxes. That is much more moral than saddling the next generation with debt from present social program spending.</quote> What would be better would be if the healthcare industry in this country wasn't FOR PROFIT and gouged on every service they provide in the hopes that one insurance provider or another might actually pay the downright obscene charges they bill to the insurance companies. Same applies to the insurance companies. When I had an individual plan from Blue Cross here in the 90's we started out paying $80 a month for very basic care. Within a year or so that very basic plan was $200+ because according to the insurance company 'people were over using their plans' and/or 'they had to increase it to pay for new tech/procedures'. Yet I'm willing to bet if any people insured under those plans had one of those new procedures they were left holding the bag for the most part as the insurance likely denied their claim. I almost forgot to mention that at the time I had this individual plan the insurer had a billion dollars in cash reserves. Yet they wouldn't part with a shekel to keep rates low for their subscribers. So excuse me if I'd rather we ALL be under the government insurance plan(Medicaid/Medicare) and providers had to accept whatever they were given from those plans as payment in full rather than putting people into poverty because they couldn't help but have an accident or other sudden illness and had to choose between healthcare or actual necessities like food and shelter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/09/18 5:12:55 PM #124:	https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904776188] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 07/09/18 5:21:57 PM #125:	Uncle Choad posted... teepan95 posted... It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation Culture of "I am powerless, please pay for me". Revolution. --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something" -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:904776658] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>teepan95 posted...</cite> <quote>It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation</quote> Culture of "I am powerless, please pay for me".</quote> Revolution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr 07/09/18 6:10:33 PM #126:	MI4 REAL posted... Uncle Choad posted... teepan95 posted... It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation Culture of "I am powerless, please pay for me". Revolution. but there ARE people who are powerless ... should they just suffer too? --- you can't spell american dream without eric andre <cite>joestarrr posted [p:904779274] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>MI4 REAL posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>teepan95 posted...</cite> <quote>It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation</quote> Culture of "I am powerless, please pay for me".</quote> Revolution.</quote> but there ARE people who are powerless ... should they just suffer too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 07/09/18 9:54:31 PM #127:	Steven Crowder did an excellent expos on the problems with universal healthcare that I suggest you watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw" data-time=" --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:904791981] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Steven Crowder did an excellent expos on the problems with universal healthcare that I suggest you watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthGravid 07/09/18 10:08:24 PM #128:	darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? @darkjedilink I worked and paid taxes for 25 years to help pay for healthcare for others. My body broke down from a disease that will cause me to suffer for years and then die a horrible, painful death. I worked for as long as I possibly could. Hell, I'm still trying to find a way to work. Are you saying that I'm not deserving of a little bit of comfort? I paid my dues. Am I supposed to bend my knees, grinding all the way down, because they are bone to bone, to reach down, and use my twisted fingers to "pull myself up by the bootstraps"? Someday, you will be unable to work. In some way or another, your body will break down. Will having help to pay for your healthcare be "stealing money" then? Or perhaps you should be left to suffer and die. It's different when it's you, or someone that you care about, isn't it? --- Torn between two minds. Is either correct? Perhaps together.....but how? Can it be done? <cite>DarthGravid posted [p:904792738] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare?</quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> @darkjedilink I worked and paid taxes for 25 years to help pay for healthcare for others. My body broke down from a disease that will cause me to suffer for years and then die a horrible, painful death. I worked for as long as I possibly could. Hell, I'm still trying to find a way to work. Are you saying that I'm not deserving of a little bit of comfort? I paid my dues. Am I supposed to bend my knees, grinding all the way down, because they are bone to bone, to reach down, and use my twisted fingers to "pull myself up by the bootstraps"? Someday, you will be unable to work. In some way or another, your body will break down. Will having help to pay for your healthcare be "stealing money" then? Or perhaps you should be left to suffer and die. It's different when it's you, or someone that you care about, isn't it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthGravid 07/10/18 12:34:32 PM #129:	DarthGravid posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? @darkjedilink I worked and paid taxes for 25 years to help pay for healthcare for others. My body broke down from a disease that will cause me to suffer for years and then die a horrible, painful death. I worked for as long as I possibly could. Hell, I'm still trying to find a way to work. Are you saying that I'm not deserving of a little bit of comfort? I paid my dues. Am I supposed to bend my knees, grinding all the way down, because they are bone to bone, to reach down, and use my twisted fingers to "pull myself up by the bootstraps"? Someday, you will be unable to work. In some way or another, your body will break down. Will having help to pay for your healthcare be "stealing money" then? Or perhaps you should be left to suffer and die. It's different when it's you, or someone that you care about, isn't it? Still waiting for that reply @darkjedilink, or anyone else that thinks that way. I would love to hear what you think about this. --- Torn between two minds. Is either correct? Perhaps together.....but how? Can it be done? <cite>DarthGravid posted [p:904823051] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthGravid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare?</quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> @darkjedilink I worked and paid taxes for 25 years to help pay for healthcare for others. My body broke down from a disease that will cause me to suffer for years and then die a horrible, painful death. I worked for as long as I possibly could. Hell, I'm still trying to find a way to work. Are you saying that I'm not deserving of a little bit of comfort? I paid my dues. Am I supposed to bend my knees, grinding all the way down, because they are bone to bone, to reach down, and use my twisted fingers to "pull myself up by the bootstraps"? Someday, you will be unable to work. In some way or another, your body will break down. Will having help to pay for your healthcare be "stealing money" then? Or perhaps you should be left to suffer and die. It's different when it's you, or someone that you care about, isn't it?</quote> Still waiting for that reply @darkjedilink, or anyone else that thinks that way. I would love to hear what you think about this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 07/10/18 12:42:43 PM #130:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... As soon as people stop becoming obese and stop doing drugs. Done. Where's my Medicare? --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:904823486] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>As soon as people stop becoming obese and stop doing drugs.</quote> Done. Where's my Medicare?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iHuman 07/10/18 3:01:16 PM #134:	Why should healthcare be a right? Self preservation should come first. --- Intelligence is just a 12 letter word, what are you? -Me <cite>iHuman posted [p:904831048] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Why should healthcare be a right? Self preservation should come first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthGravid 07/10/18 3:59:36 PM #135:	DarthGravid posted... DarthGravid posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? @darkjedilink I worked and paid taxes for 25 years to help pay for healthcare for others. My body broke down from a disease that will cause me to suffer for years and then die a horrible, painful death. I worked for as long as I possibly could. Hell, I'm still trying to find a way to work. Are you saying that I'm not deserving of a little bit of comfort? I paid my dues. Am I supposed to bend my knees, grinding all the way down, because they are bone to bone, to reach down, and use my twisted fingers to "pull myself up by the bootstraps"? Someday, you will be unable to work. In some way or another, your body will break down. Will having help to pay for your healthcare be "stealing money" then? Or perhaps you should be left to suffer and die. It's different when it's you, or someone that you care about, isn't it? Still waiting for that reply @darkjedilink, or anyone else that thinks that way. I would love to hear what you think about this. You know what, I've got more to say. What about my children? Do they deserve to suffer too? My two youngest are 1 1/2 years and 6 months old. They will not remember me as I once was, and may never remember me at all. Should they starve because my body broke? They are innocent. They didn't ask for this any more than I did. What if it were your children? I simply cannot understand how you people cannot connect the dots here. A healthy workforce pays taxes. Healthier people live longer, therefore, more tax revenues and a lighter load for everyone. It's called an INVESTMENT. But you don't care, because "muh $8 from every paycheck", or whatever the hell it is, but I guarantee that it's not enough to make any real difference to you. So if this is really what you believe, get in here and defend it. ALL OF YOU. Come to my house and tell my children that they deserve to STARVE TO DEATH because you need a few more pennies. Come and say it to my face, and their faces. I DARE YOU. You won't. Because you are without courage and decency. You masquerade "family values", but it's all bullshit. Guess what? WE SEE YOU. Come on @darkjedilink, bring all of your echo chamber with you. Strike me down with your superiority and knowledge of the world. I have exposed you and your ilk. DEFEND YOURSELF. Addendum - To everyone else, please, forgive my anger. I do not usually allow myself to get to this point. This is something that is very important to me, and to see people be so uncaring and then refuse to stand by it or apologize sets me on fire. I'm sorry. --- Torn between two minds. Is either correct? Perhaps together.....but how? Can it be done? <cite>DarthGravid posted [p:904834466] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthGravid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthGravid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare?</quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> @darkjedilink I worked and paid taxes for 25 years to help pay for healthcare for others. My body broke down from a disease that will cause me to suffer for years and then die a horrible, painful death. I worked for as long as I possibly could. Hell, I'm still trying to find a way to work. Are you saying that I'm not deserving of a little bit of comfort? I paid my dues. Am I supposed to bend my knees, grinding all the way down, because they are bone to bone, to reach down, and use my twisted fingers to "pull myself up by the bootstraps"? Someday, you will be unable to work. In some way or another, your body will break down. Will having help to pay for your healthcare be "stealing money" then? Or perhaps you should be left to suffer and die. It's different when it's you, or someone that you care about, isn't it?</quote> Still waiting for that reply @darkjedilink, or anyone else that thinks that way. I would love to hear what you think about this.</quote> You know what, I've got more to say. What about my children? Do they deserve to suffer too? My two youngest are 1 1/2 years and 6 months old. They will not remember me as I once was, and may never remember me at all. Should they starve because my body broke? They are innocent. They didn't ask for this any more than I did. What if it were your children? I simply cannot understand how you people cannot connect the dots here. A healthy workforce pays taxes. Healthier people live longer, therefore, more tax revenues and a lighter load for everyone. It's called an INVESTMENT. But you don't care, because "muh $8 from every paycheck", or whatever the hell it is, but I guarantee that it's not enough to make any real difference to you. So if this is really what you believe, get in here and defend it. ALL OF YOU. Come to my house and tell my children that they deserve to STARVE TO DEATH because you need a few more pennies. Come and say it to my face, and their faces. I DARE YOU. You won't. Because you are without courage and decency. You masquerade "family values", but it's all bullshit. Guess what? WE SEE YOU. Come on @darkjedilink, bring all of your echo chamber with you. Strike me down with your superiority and knowledge of the world. I have exposed you and your ilk. DEFEND YOURSELF. Addendum - To everyone else, please, forgive my anger. I do not usually allow myself to get to this point. This is something that is very important to me, and to see people be so uncaring and then refuse to stand by it or apologize sets me on fire. I'm sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/10/18 4:45:37 PM #136:	@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904837161] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joestarrr 07/10/18 4:50:28 PM #137:	darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Literally victim blaming --- you can't spell american dream without eric andre <cite>joestarrr posted [p:904837430] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Literally victim blaming</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/10/18 4:53:57 PM #138:	Nobody wants you or your kids to not access healthcare. This issue here is, what is the most efficient way to provide it? The US healthcare system is light years away from being a free market. https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive Whether we are talking about social spending in the US or other Western countries including Japan, programs are generally running deficits. And those deficits will get worse over time as wealthier demographic groups age and have fewer kids. We really have 2 options: 1) Get the government out of healthcare. 2) Cover our ears and eyes until mathematically unsustainable programs implode. We dont have any right to borrow money from future generations to fund permanent social programs. Thats taxation without representation, and its not going to last forever. Edit: actually we arent borrowing money from future generations. We are stealing it. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904837624] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Nobody wants you or your kids to not access healthcare. This issue here is, what is the most efficient way to provide it? The US healthcare system is light years away from being a free market. https://mises.org/wire/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive Whether we are talking about social spending in the US or other Western countries including Japan, programs are generally running deficits. And those deficits will get worse over time as wealthier demographic groups age and have fewer kids. We really have 2 options: 1) Get the government out of healthcare. 2) Cover our ears and eyes until mathematically unsustainable programs implode. We dont have any right to borrow money from future generations to fund permanent social programs. Thats taxation without representation, and its not going to last forever. Edit: actually we arent borrowing money from future generations. We are stealing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 07/10/18 4:55:24 PM #139:	Because the slave-owning Founding Fathers didnt write it down hundreds of years ago, dont touch my guns! --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:904837701] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Because the slave-owning Founding Fathers didnt write it down hundreds of years ago, dont touch my guns!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/10/18 4:57:36 PM #140:	joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Literally victim blaming Victim of what? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904837835] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Literally victim blaming</quote> Victim of what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthGravid 07/10/18 5:37:10 PM #141:	darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Didn't care for myself? AUTO-IMMUNE DISEASE AT 36. But you're right, I should have used my crystal ball to see into the future, so that I would know that I would have to retire against my will 30 years early. Believe me, if I had known, I would have been able to do something. But I didn't. And you literally are victim blaming. Not everyone has Daddys money and connections to fall back on. I had no father. I suppose that's my fault, too. You didn't directly address anything that I said, and now are blaming me for something that could happen to anyone, at any time. Deflect, deflect, deflect. The tactic of someone that has been exposed and is defending something that is indefensible. Addendum - No one is pointing any guns, either. Utter nonsense. --- Torn between two minds. Is either correct? Perhaps together.....but how? Can it be done? <cite>DarthGravid posted [p:904840035] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Didn't care for myself? AUTO-IMMUNE DISEASE AT 36. But you're right, I should have used my crystal ball to see into the future, so that I would know that I would have to retire against my will 30 years early. Believe me, if I had known, I would have been able to do something. But I didn't. And you literally are victim blaming. Not everyone has Daddys money and connections to fall back on. I had no father. I suppose that's my fault, too. You didn't directly address anything that I said, and now are blaming me for something that could happen to anyone, at any time. Deflect, deflect, deflect. The tactic of someone that has been exposed and is defending something that is indefensible. Addendum - No one is pointing any guns, either. Utter nonsense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 07/10/18 5:40:35 PM #142:	darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage <cite>Reis posted [p:904840209] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthGravid 07/10/18 5:47:23 PM #143:	Reis posted... darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage Oh, crap, it's that guy I've been yelling at? What a waste of my time. And for the record, I am not using any public assistance. I have money. I earned it the hard way. I'm advocating for people that couldn't do what I was able to do. Which apparently includes Darkjedilink. --- Torn between two minds. Is either correct? Perhaps together.....but how? Can it be done? <cite>DarthGravid posted [p:904840550] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reis posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage</quote> Oh, crap, it's that guy I've been yelling at? What a waste of my time. And for the record, I am not using any public assistance. I have money. I earned it the hard way. I'm advocating for people that couldn't do what I was able to do. Which apparently includes Darkjedilink.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/10/18 6:02:18 PM #144:	DarthGravid posted... Reis posted... darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage Oh, crap, it's that guy I've been yelling at? What a waste of my time. And for the record, I am not using any public assistance. I have money. I earned it the hard way. I'm advocating for people that couldn't do what I was able to do. Which apparently includes Darkjedilink. 'Oh, crap - that dude I've called out numerous times responded!' --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904841310] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthGravid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Reis posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage</quote> Oh, crap, it's that guy I've been yelling at? What a waste of my time. And for the record, I am not using any public assistance. I have money. I earned it the hard way. I'm advocating for people that couldn't do what I was able to do. Which apparently includes Darkjedilink.</quote> 'Oh, crap - that dude I've called out numerous times responded!'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthGravid 07/10/18 6:11:49 PM #145:	darkjedilink posted... DarthGravid posted... Reis posted... darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage Oh, crap, it's that guy I've been yelling at? What a waste of my time. And for the record, I am not using any public assistance. I have money. I earned it the hard way. I'm advocating for people that couldn't do what I was able to do. Which apparently includes Darkjedilink. 'Oh, crap - that dude I've called out numerous times responded!' I didn't realize that you were the one that blamed the ACA for your wife leaving you. If I had, we would have never had this conversation. You can't accept reality, so you blame everyone else for your faults and mistakes. You have not addressed anything that I've said to you, you have deflected and erected strawmen that reach the sky. I'm done with you, as I have tricked you into revealing yourself as someone with no courage, empathy, or clue. You have been completely discredited. Good day, sir. --- Torn between two minds. Is either correct? Perhaps together.....but how? Can it be done? <cite>DarthGravid posted [p:904841824] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthGravid posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Reis posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Maybe you should have planned your finances or career path better so your wife wouldn't have left your broke ass after the big bad ACA ruined your marriage</quote> Oh, crap, it's that guy I've been yelling at? What a waste of my time. And for the record, I am not using any public assistance. I have money. I earned it the hard way. I'm advocating for people that couldn't do what I was able to do. Which apparently includes Darkjedilink.</quote> 'Oh, crap - that dude I've called out numerous times responded!'</quote> I didn't realize that you were the one that blamed the ACA for your wife leaving you. If I had, we would have never had this conversation. You can't accept reality, so you blame everyone else for your faults and mistakes. You have not addressed anything that I've said to you, you have deflected and erected strawmen that reach the sky. I'm done with you, as I have tricked you into revealing yourself as someone with no courage, empathy, or clue. You have been completely discredited. Good day, sir.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 07/10/18 6:18:11 PM #146:	darkjedilink posted... @DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself. Wow, you really are a deplorable sack of shit. ~~I don't care if I get modded for speaking truth.~~ --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:904842171] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>@DarthGravid - maybe you should have planned ahead. Nobody else should be forced at gunpoint to care for you because you didn't care for yourself.</quote> Wow, you really are a deplorable sack of shit. I don't care if I get modded for speaking truth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/11/18 9:53:55 AM #147:	wow darkjed is the worst user on this board <cite>Alphamon posted [p:904877633] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>wow darkjed is the worst user on this board</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/11/18 10:26:45 AM #148:	DarthGravid posted... Addendum - No one is pointing any guns, either. Utter nonsense. Actually you are ignoring the gun in the room. When the government collects money, it does so with the implicit threat that if you say no long enough, you will eventually see that gun. You can try to argue that the ends justify the means in this case, but dont try to vault over the uncomfortable reality of those means. In this topic I have argued that a more effective and moral way to deliver healthcare is through voluntary exchange / the free market. You clearly arent convinced, but you should examine the implications of deficit financing more closely. This isnt just about a couple dollars of my paycheck being forcibly removed from my family and given to other families. This is inter generational theft from future generations through government debt. They will need healthcare too, but they will be saddled with debt from past generations that wanted big government but didnt want to pay for it themselves. That is taxation without representation. We claim to care about future generations when climate change comes up, but we never care enough to sacrifice big government programs that will implode at this rate. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904879070] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthGravid posted...</cite> <quote>Addendum - No one is pointing any guns, either. Utter nonsense.</quote> Actually you are ignoring the gun in the room. When the government collects money, it does so with the implicit threat that if you say no long enough, you will eventually see that gun. You can try to argue that the ends justify the means in this case, but dont try to vault over the uncomfortable reality of those means. In this topic I have argued that a more effective and moral way to deliver healthcare is through voluntary exchange / the free market. You clearly arent convinced, but you should examine the implications of deficit financing more closely. This isnt just about a couple dollars of my paycheck being forcibly removed from my family and given to other families. This is inter generational theft from future generations through government debt. They will need healthcare too, but they will be saddled with debt from past generations that wanted big government but didnt want to pay for it themselves. That is taxation without representation. We claim to care about future generations when climate change comes up, but we never care enough to sacrifice big government programs that will implode at this rate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asagi_mode_gone 07/11/18 10:28:44 AM #149:	I think what's funniest about the opposition to universal healthcare is that we spend more for less, all so those with money can feel superior to those who lack the same means as them. <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:904879164] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>I think what's funniest about the opposition to universal healthcare is that we spend more for less, all so those with money can feel superior to those who lack the same means as them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asagi_mode_gone 07/11/18 10:32:59 AM #151:	Asherlee10 posted... What's the tl;dr of the topic right now? One side: tosses feces around, muh money Other side: lacks eloquence but makes good points And side that doesn't actually care either way: tosses feces around to enrage the two arguing sides <cite>asagi_mode_gone posted [p:904879347] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>What's the tl;dr of the topic right now?</quote> One side: tosses feces around, muh money Other side: lacks eloquence but makes good points And side that doesn't actually care either way: tosses feces around to enrage the two arguing sides</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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