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smoliske 07/08/18 12:52:13 PM #52:	FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it. There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that. Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease. Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge. <cite>smoliske posted [p:904704358] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free </quote> There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it.</quote> There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that.</quote> Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease.</quote> Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 12:53:23 PM #53:	smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it. There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that. Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease. Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge. just curious what your thoughts were on California's decision to decriminalize intentionally spreading HIV --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904704423] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free </quote> There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it.</quote> There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that.</quote> Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease.</quote> Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge.</quote> just curious what your thoughts were on California's decision to decriminalize intentionally spreading HIV</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/08/18 12:56:29 PM #54:	Health care is not a right. But as US residents and taxpayers we should have access to quality healthcare, which we do. The problem is the affordability, but there's no simple solution for that. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:904704570] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Health care is not a right. But as US residents and taxpayers we should have access to quality healthcare, which we do. The problem is the affordability, but there's no simple solution for that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoliske 07/08/18 12:56:51 PM #55:	FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it. There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that. Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease. Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge. just curious what your thoughts were on California's decision to decriminalize intentionally spreading HIV particularly despicable. If you're sexually active, regardless of sexual orientation, should be regularly tested including but not limited to before, during, and after every new sexual partner. <cite>smoliske posted [p:904704588] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free </quote> There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it.</quote> There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that.</quote> Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease.</quote> Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge.</quote> just curious what your thoughts were on California's decision to decriminalize intentionally spreading HIV</quote> particularly despicable. If you're sexually active, regardless of sexual orientation, should be regularly tested including but not limited to before, during, and after every new sexual partner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 12:58:23 PM #56:	smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it. There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that. Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease. Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge. just curious what your thoughts were on California's decision to decriminalize intentionally spreading HIV particularly despicable. If you're sexually active, regardless of sexual orientation, should be regularly tested including but not limited to before, during, and after every new sexual partner. because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904704652] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote>if not, they should be. people who are not vaccinated should not be allowed to walk free </quote> There's certainly no way this could go wrong. Nope. Might as well empower the Trump administration to forcibly inoculate us with whatever they deem is best! And give them a monopoly on violence while we're at it.</quote> There's certainly no way the status quo could go wrong. Nope. Might as well let any unvaccinated yoohoo walk around with their inhibited immune systems spreading disease to others. You're basically giving them a monopoly on violence at that.</quote> Not giving the Trump administration the absolute power to forcibly inoculate us, on pain of death or imprisonment, with whatever they deem is best doesn't mean that our only other option is to let hordes of unvaccinated people roam the streets and spread disease.</quote> Spreading a deadly disease to another person whether it be diphtheria, Hib, measles, pertussis, pneumonia, polio, or tetanus can be deadly and should constitute a negligent homicide charge.</quote> just curious what your thoughts were on California's decision to decriminalize intentionally spreading HIV</quote> particularly despicable. If you're sexually active, regardless of sexual orientation, should be regularly tested including but not limited to before, during, and after every new sexual partner.</quote> because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/08/18 12:58:34 PM #57:	s0nicfan posted... BWLurker posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... BWLurker posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... BWLurker posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... The free market is better equipped to make that culture change happen. A lot of people will be fucked in transition though. Even if a lot of health issues are lifestyle related, a whole bunch aren't. 30% of the current yearly healthcare expenditures in the US are a direct result of lifestyle choices. If you eliminated that, eliminated the tens of billions in yearly medicare fraud, encouraged automation/efficiency in the industry, introduced more competition, and leveraged the free market to get people to live healthier lives...you'd suddenly reduce the costs of the system so much that spending for the rest of the sick is suddenly trivial compared with the total yearly tax revenue of the US. How do you go about doing this without fucking innocent people over in transition? How would it fuck over innocent people? You can't just eliminate that 30%. It's not cut and dry. Who decides what's a lifestyle effect and what was unpreventable? How do you eliminate those billions in fraud, who's going to pay for the ridiculous amount of investigations to make sure that there actually is fraud in each case? With a completely free market, why would insurance companies willingly keep cancer patients and other chronic diseases? Someone has to make the decision regardless, for ANY government program. Even universal healthcare is going to require someone to decide what is "necessary" treatment and what is "optional" or "cosmetic" treatment. There's no easy answer in any solution, because not everyone can have everything, so someone inevitably has to decide who gets and who doesn't. This is true of ANY social program. Right, but he's proposing to let the free market decide. It CAN'T be that, needs to be objective <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904704665] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BWLurker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>The free market is better equipped to make that culture change happen.</quote> A lot of people will be fucked in transition though. Even if a lot of health issues are lifestyle related, a whole bunch aren't.</quote> 30% of the current yearly healthcare expenditures in the US are a direct result of lifestyle choices. If you eliminated that, eliminated the tens of billions in yearly medicare fraud, encouraged automation/efficiency in the industry, introduced more competition, and leveraged the free market to get people to live healthier lives...you'd suddenly reduce the costs of the system so much that spending for the rest of the sick is suddenly trivial compared with the total yearly tax revenue of the US.</quote> How do you go about doing this without fucking innocent people over in transition?</quote> How would it fuck over innocent people?</quote> You can't just eliminate that 30%. It's not cut and dry. Who decides what's a lifestyle effect and what was unpreventable? How do you eliminate those billions in fraud, who's going to pay for the ridiculous amount of investigations to make sure that there actually is fraud in each case? With a completely free market, why would insurance companies willingly keep cancer patients and other chronic diseases?</quote> Someone has to make the decision regardless, for ANY government program. Even universal healthcare is going to require someone to decide what is "necessary" treatment and what is "optional" or "cosmetic" treatment. There's no easy answer in any solution, because not everyone can have everything, so someone inevitably has to decide who gets and who doesn't. This is true of ANY social program.</quote> Right, but he's proposing to let the free market decide. It CAN'T be that, needs to be objective</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoliske 07/08/18 1:04:56 PM #58:	FLUFFYGERM posted... because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly. Refusing to get tested because you don't want to "knowingly" spread infection and end up doing so is just as criminal as doing it in the first place knowing your status. <cite>smoliske posted [p:904704927] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly. </quote> Refusing to get tested because you don't want to "knowingly" spread infection and end up doing so is just as criminal as doing it in the first place knowing your status.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 1:05:24 PM #59:	smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly. Refusing to get tested because you don't want to "knowingly" spread infection and end up doing so is just as criminal as doing it in the first place knowing your status. you obviously didn't read what i posted so have a good morning --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904704951] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly. </quote> Refusing to get tested because you don't want to "knowingly" spread infection and end up doing so is just as criminal as doing it in the first place knowing your status.</quote> you obviously didn't read what i posted so have a good morning</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoliske 07/08/18 1:09:03 PM #60:	FLUFFYGERM posted... smoliske posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly. Refusing to get tested because you don't want to "knowingly" spread infection and end up doing so is just as criminal as doing it in the first place knowing your status. you obviously didn't read what i posted so have a good morning Your argument obviously flattened because you are now deflecting and fleeing. <cite>smoliske posted [p:904705086] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>smoliske posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>because of how life changing HIV is, if you criminalize intentionally spreading HIV you disincentivize people who are high risk from getting tested for HIV. which has the side effect of causing more HIV infections, since people who are high risk will intentionally avoid getting tested since they don't want to spread HIV knowingly. </quote> Refusing to get tested because you don't want to "knowingly" spread infection and end up doing so is just as criminal as doing it in the first place knowing your status.</quote> you obviously didn't read what i posted so have a good morning</quote> Your argument obviously flattened because you are now deflecting and fleeing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 07/08/18 1:09:17 PM #61:	HIV is racist https://pics.me.me/los-angeles-times-los-angeles-times-trial-offer-4-32782839.png --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:904705097] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>HIV is racist https://pics.me.me/los-angeles-times-los-angeles-times-trial-offer-4-32782839.png</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 07/08/18 1:13:31 PM #62:	darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:904705278] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare?</quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BWLurker 07/08/18 1:15:00 PM #63:	_OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? It's personal for him. He blames Obama and the ACA for his wife leaving him. <cite>BWLurker posted [p:904705352] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare?</quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> It's personal for him. He blames Obama and the ACA for his wife leaving him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 07/08/18 1:18:22 PM #64:	I don't see how the government providing a service is tantamount to slavery. The post office and the right to receive your mail is in the constitution but I don't see postal workers singing negro spirituals in between their deliveries. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:904705488] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>I don't see how the government providing a service is tantamount to slavery. The post office and the right to receive your mail is in the constitution but I don't see postal workers singing negro spirituals in between their deliveries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 07/08/18 1:19:45 PM #65:	joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right? i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol Yes and no for physicians --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:904705563] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right?</quote> i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol</quote> Yes and no for physicians</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 07/08/18 1:21:39 PM #66:	MedzXVIII posted... HIV is racist https://pics.me.me/los-angeles-times-los-angeles-times-trial-offer-4-32782839.png --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904705636] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>MedzXVIII posted...</cite> <quote>HIV is racist https://pics.me.me/los-angeles-times-los-angeles-times-trial-offer-4-32782839.png</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 07/08/18 1:32:27 PM #67:	Because the United States government does 100% of things efficiently and correctly/morally, so I want them to be in charge. Isn't the VA a legitimate disgrace? Imagine that for everyone. Also see: The American South They will bankrupt that shit quick. Plus we can't afford it because see first sentence. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:904706102] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Because the United States government does 100% of things efficiently and correctly/morally, so I want them to be in charge. Isn't the VA a legitimate disgrace? Imagine that for everyone. Also see: The American South They will bankrupt that shit quick. Plus we can't afford it because see first sentence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/18 1:33:12 PM #68:	_OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904706139] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare?</quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 07/08/18 1:33:34 PM #69:	Also questioning anything Obama set up (the healthcare situation in this country) is racist, so I don't want to hear any more criticism of our former President. Topic over. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:904706156] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Also questioning anything Obama set up (the healthcare situation in this country) is racist, so I don't want to hear any more criticism of our former President. Topic over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 07/08/18 1:36:34 PM #70:	It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation --- I use Gameraven and you should too. #heavilyburntpotato <cite>teepan95 posted [p:904706289] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 07/08/18 1:38:07 PM #71:	teepan95 posted... It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation Culture of "I am powerless, please pay for me". --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:904706356] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>teepan95 posted...</cite> <quote>It is a right It just won't happen in the US without a massive culture shift that I don't see happening within a single generation</quote> Culture of "I am powerless, please pay for me".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChiefSosa 07/08/18 1:39:19 PM #72:	joestarrr posted... just curious about the logic behind wanting to let poor people suffer and die no point in talking to someone with this perception of the world on such a difficult and layered issue <cite>ChiefSosa posted [p:904706407] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote>just curious about the logic behind wanting to let poor people suffer and die</quote> no point in talking to someone with this perception of the world on such a difficult and layered issue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 07/08/18 2:07:39 PM #73:	Because it costs money and isn't a utility. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:904707755] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Because it costs money and isn't a utility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shut_TheF---Up 07/08/18 2:27:15 PM #74:	Omega Hunter posted... Because the vast majority of healthcare costs and illness is a result of lifestyle decisions. I run 3 miles every weekday morning. I lift weights for 5 hours over the weekend. I eat tons of vegetables that are gross. I drink tea over coffee even though I love coffee. I drink red wine over whiskey even though I love whiskey and stop after 2-3 glasses. I dont smoke even though i love tobacco. I sleep 8 hours even though I want to play video games to 2 am. I spend extra on grass fed dairy and pastured eggs. I dont touch soda or sugary anything. I make most of my meals at home to make sure the ingredients are fresh and natural. I do all of this to take care of myself and stay healthy and it takes a lot of effort. How in the world is it fair to tax me to pay for the healthcare costs of a lardass with diabetes who barely leaves the couch lives on dominoes pizza and could never say no to "do you want to supersize that?". It's not. Itp: people who struggle taking care of themselves don't deserve healthcare <cite>Shut_TheF---Up posted [p:904708759] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>Because the vast majority of healthcare costs and illness is a result of lifestyle decisions. I run 3 miles every weekday morning. I lift weights for 5 hours over the weekend. I eat tons of vegetables that are gross. I drink tea over coffee even though I love coffee. I drink red wine over whiskey even though I love whiskey and stop after 2-3 glasses. I dont smoke even though i love tobacco. I sleep 8 hours even though I want to play video games to 2 am. I spend extra on grass fed dairy and pastured eggs. I dont touch soda or sugary anything. I make most of my meals at home to make sure the ingredients are fresh and natural. I do all of this to take care of myself and stay healthy and it takes a lot of effort. How in the world is it fair to tax me to pay for the healthcare costs of a lardass with diabetes who barely leaves the couch lives on dominoes pizza and could never say no to "do you want to supersize that?". It's not.</quote> Itp: people who struggle taking care of themselves don't deserve healthcare</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/18 2:34:24 PM #75:	Shut_TheF---Up posted... Omega Hunter posted... Because the vast majority of healthcare costs and illness is a result of lifestyle decisions. I run 3 miles every weekday morning. I lift weights for 5 hours over the weekend. I eat tons of vegetables that are gross. I drink tea over coffee even though I love coffee. I drink red wine over whiskey even though I love whiskey and stop after 2-3 glasses. I dont smoke even though i love tobacco. I sleep 8 hours even though I want to play video games to 2 am. I spend extra on grass fed dairy and pastured eggs. I dont touch soda or sugary anything. I make most of my meals at home to make sure the ingredients are fresh and natural. I do all of this to take care of myself and stay healthy and it takes a lot of effort. How in the world is it fair to tax me to pay for the healthcare costs of a lardass with diabetes who barely leaves the couch lives on dominoes pizza and could never say no to "do you want to supersize that?". It's not. Itp: people who struggle taking care of themselves don't deserve healthcare They deserve all the healthcare they can afford to fix their own life choices. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904709129] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shut_TheF---Up posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>Because the vast majority of healthcare costs and illness is a result of lifestyle decisions. I run 3 miles every weekday morning. I lift weights for 5 hours over the weekend. I eat tons of vegetables that are gross. I drink tea over coffee even though I love coffee. I drink red wine over whiskey even though I love whiskey and stop after 2-3 glasses. I dont smoke even though i love tobacco. I sleep 8 hours even though I want to play video games to 2 am. I spend extra on grass fed dairy and pastured eggs. I dont touch soda or sugary anything. I make most of my meals at home to make sure the ingredients are fresh and natural. I do all of this to take care of myself and stay healthy and it takes a lot of effort. How in the world is it fair to tax me to pay for the healthcare costs of a lardass with diabetes who barely leaves the couch lives on dominoes pizza and could never say no to "do you want to supersize that?". It's not.</quote> Itp: people who struggle taking care of themselves don't deserve healthcare</quote> They deserve all the healthcare they can afford to fix their own life choices.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A5modeu5 07/08/18 2:38:30 PM #76:	darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? Its insurance you dummy. Your bills get paid by all the other people too. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>A5modeu5 posted [p:904709325] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote> one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) </quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. </quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? </quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> Its insurance you dummy. Your bills get paid by all the other people too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThrillKillFan 07/08/18 2:41:32 PM #77:	If the healthcare conglomerates(insurance companies, big pharma, big corporate owned hospital/provider chains) would stop OVER charging for their services, then people could potentially afford healthcare without having to go bankrupt in the event of a big health scare. But when hospitals are charging $15 for two fucking aspirin plus nailing you for $100 for the person who gave you them in a little cup and big pharma are gouging for 15 or more year old pharmaceuticals(see: Pharma Bro scumbag) just because they can, then THAT is what's wrong with healthcare....at least in the U.S. --- Internet forum logic: When my opinion agrees with yours we're good. When it doesn't, the one with the different opinion is 'whining'. Gotta love the internet! <cite>ThrillKillFan posted [p:904709506] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>If the healthcare conglomerates(insurance companies, big pharma, big corporate owned hospital/provider chains) would stop OVER charging for their services, then people could potentially afford healthcare without having to go bankrupt in the event of a big health scare. But when hospitals are charging $15 for two fucking aspirin plus nailing you for $100 for the person who gave you them in a little cup and big pharma are gouging for 15 or more year old pharmaceuticals(see: Pharma Bro scumbag) just because they can, then THAT is what's wrong with healthcare....at least in the U.S.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broken_Zeus 07/08/18 2:46:45 PM #78:	Why would any rational person believe that it could be a rig--- joestarrr posted... just curious about the logic behind wanting to let poor people suffer and die Oh, troll topic. --- Gamefaqs cannot handle my #BrokenBrilliance <cite>Broken_Zeus posted [p:904709773] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Why would any rational person believe that it could be a rig--- <cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote>just curious about the logic behind wanting to let poor people suffer and die</quote> Oh, troll topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 07/08/18 2:55:26 PM #79:	Broken_Zeus posted... Why would any rational person believe that it could be a rig--- joestarrr posted... just curious about the logic behind wanting to let poor people suffer and die Oh, troll topic. We get it bro, you have no argument. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:904710197] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broken_Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Why would any rational person believe that it could be a rig--- <cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote> just curious about the logic behind wanting to let poor people suffer and die</quote> Oh, troll topic.</quote> We get it bro, you have no argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret 07/08/18 3:50:50 PM #80:	you dont have the right to someone elses labor. that said the current system is so convoluted that it pushes prices to obscene levels. im personally not in favor of gibs me dat, but the whole thing should atleast be easier for everyone to get and actually make sense (getting literally a few bandages on your leg for a cut shouldnt cost hundreds of dollars). <cite>Dark_Spiret posted [p:904712870] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>you dont have the right to someone elses labor. that said the current system is so convoluted that it pushes prices to obscene levels. im personally not in favor of gibs me dat, but the whole thing should atleast be easier for everyone to get and actually make sense (getting literally a few bandages on your leg for a cut shouldnt cost hundreds of dollars).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 07/08/18 3:54:03 PM #81:	Fix who you can (willing, productive people) and remove the rest (junkies that refuse to get clean). Humanity is like a hedge. It'll get ragged if you let it and the whole plant will be weaker. I think healthcare is a right, unless you break the law. Crash your car without a seatbelt and live? Enjoy paying 100% of your costs regardless of coverage. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:904713020] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Fix who you can (willing, productive people) and remove the rest (junkies that refuse to get clean). Humanity is like a hedge. It'll get ragged if you let it and the whole plant will be weaker. I think healthcare is a right, unless you break the law. Crash your car without a seatbelt and live? Enjoy paying 100% of your costs regardless of coverage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 07/08/18 3:56:52 PM #82:	it is a right everyone should be able to purchase whichever healthcare package on the free market that works best for them --- https://imgtc.com/i/C6jP02v.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UAGNJFv.gif https://imgtc.com/i/cBTnWgf.png https://imgtc.com/i/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:904713164] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>it is a right everyone should be able to purchase whichever healthcare package on the free market that works best for them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 07/08/18 4:27:36 PM #84:	Dark_Spiret posted... you dont have the right to someone elses labor. that said the current system is so convoluted that it pushes prices to obscene levels. im personally not in favor of gibs me dat, but the whole thing should atleast be easier for everyone to get and actually make sense (getting literally a few bandages on your leg for a cut shouldnt cost hundreds of dollars). Yeah, thats why we need to get the government out of healthcare. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904714685] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark_Spiret posted...</cite> <quote>you dont have the right to someone elses labor. that said the current system is so convoluted that it pushes prices to obscene levels. im personally not in favor of gibs me dat, but the whole thing should atleast be easier for everyone to get and actually make sense (getting literally a few bandages on your leg for a cut shouldnt cost hundreds of dollars).</quote> Yeah, thats why we need to get the government out of healthcare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 07/08/18 4:49:37 PM #86:	tote_all posted... tennisdude818 posted... Yeah, thats why we need to get the government out of healthcare. Lmao, do you really think that's the issue? What do you know about healthcare in places that aren't the US? I know that they generally rely on deficit financing, which wont last forever. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:904715810] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>tote_all posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tennisdude818 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, thats why we need to get the government out of healthcare.</quote> Lmao, do you really think that's the issue? What do you know about healthcare in places that aren't the US?</quote> I know that they generally rely on deficit financing, which wont last forever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Ayatollah C 07/08/18 5:10:57 PM #87:	I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place. --- It made more sense in my head I don't know <cite>The Ayatollah C posted [p:904716853] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 07/08/18 5:13:19 PM #88:	Youre not entitled to the fruit of someone elses labor. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:904716979] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>Youre not entitled to the fruit of someone elses labor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Ayatollah C 07/08/18 5:15:46 PM #89:	You don't seem to mind paying for cops and soldiers --- It made more sense in my head I don't know <cite>The Ayatollah C posted [p:904717101] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote>You don't seem to mind paying for cops and soldiers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/08/18 5:20:40 PM #90:	The Ayatollah C posted... I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place. The left could point out the corruption and waste but more often than not they're trying to sell higher taxes instead. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:904717343] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Ayatollah C posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place.</quote> The left could point out the corruption and waste but more often than not they're trying to sell higher taxes instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Ayatollah C 07/08/18 5:22:14 PM #91:	FLUFFYGERM posted... The Ayatollah C posted... I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place. The left could point out the corruption and waste but more often than not they're trying to sell higher taxes instead. I just did --- It made more sense in my head I don't know <cite>The Ayatollah C posted [p:904717418] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Ayatollah C posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place.</quote> The left could point out the corruption and waste but more often than not they're trying to sell higher taxes instead.</quote> I just did</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 07/08/18 5:28:45 PM #92:	The Ayatollah C posted... You don't seem to mind paying for cops and soldiers Or the post, which is in the constitution. It's just healthcare where people make this absurd argument. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:904717768] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Ayatollah C posted...</cite> <quote>You don't seem to mind paying for cops and soldiers</quote> Or the post, which is in the constitution. It's just healthcare where people make this absurd argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/08/18 5:36:56 PM #93:	The Ayatollah C posted... I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place. Actually the biggest expendature is entitlements at just over 50%. IIRC Military expenditures are around 35% --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:904718211] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Ayatollah C posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place.</quote> Actually the biggest expendature is entitlements at just over 50%. IIRC Military expenditures are around 35%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 07/08/18 5:44:16 PM #94:	joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right? i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket. --- MAGA 2020 <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:904718565] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right?</quote> i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol</quote> Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/18 5:47:00 PM #95:	s0nicfan posted... The Ayatollah C posted... I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place. Actually the biggest expendature is entitlements at just over 50%. IIRC Military expenditures are around 35% Actually, the numbers are more slanted, splitting at about 65% and 20% respectively. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904718719] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Ayatollah C posted...</cite> <quote>I don't get why Americans don't mind their biggest govt expenditure to be on the military. Seems totally backward. And Americans spend about as much per head via taxation on govt healthcare as many countries including the UK where it's free. It's just that it's corrupt as fuck and most of it goes to big pharma and insurance companies. In short, the US could easily provide free healthcare to everyone, but it's a morally bankrupt strange place.</quote> Actually the biggest expendature is entitlements at just over 50%. IIRC Military expenditures are around 35%</quote> Actually, the numbers are more slanted, splitting at about 65% and 20% respectively.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 07/08/18 6:44:32 PM #96:	Iwin2013 posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right? i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket. Imagine if unskilled laborers have this upper hand one day due to a shortage of workers. Oh wait --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:904721525] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right?</quote> i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol</quote> Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket.</quote> Imagine if unskilled laborers have this upper hand one day due to a shortage of workers. Oh wait</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iwin2013 07/08/18 6:51:22 PM #97:	Uncle Choad posted... Iwin2013 posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right? i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket. Imagine if unskilled laborers have this upper hand one day due to a shortage of workers. Oh wait Except practicing something like law or medical care isn't comparable to flipping a burger or cutting someone's lawn. NOT everyone can practice medical care or law.... --- MAGA 2020 <cite>Iwin2013 posted [p:904721872] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Iwin2013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> well then they have the right to charge what they want, no? you can't force them to work for less against their wills, right?</quote> i mean when you're hired anywhere you can't just arbitrarily pick your salary lol</quote> Actually, you can... If you're good at your job, and have a reputation. You can write your own ticket.</quote> Imagine if unskilled laborers have this upper hand one day due to a shortage of workers. Oh wait</quote> Except practicing something like law or medical care isn't comparable to flipping a burger or cutting someone's lawn. NOT everyone can practice medical care or law....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_OujiDoza_ 07/08/18 8:28:01 PM #98:	darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... Fam_Fam posted... one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be) I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well. So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare? No, the government should. So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare? The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending. You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy --- R.I.P. Bilbo-Swaggins: Victim of the CommunistFAQS Regime \|Brian-Dawkins\|http://i.imgtc.com/5yil6xS.jpg. <cite>_OujiDoza_ posted [p:904726571] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>one argument is that one does not have the right to the service of someone else (which is what the case would be)</quote> I've heard this before, but assuming we aren't like forcing healthcare workers into slavery ... that doesn't hold up well.</quote> So, you're saying people still are required to pay for their healthcare?</quote> No, the government should.</quote> So, you have the right to steal my money for your healthcare?</quote> The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending.</quote> You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 07/08/18 8:40:09 PM #99:	darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... joestarrr posted... why does the idea of your taxes going to healthcare upset you so much Like I mentioned in my first post, 30% of our yearly medical expenditures are to treat unnecessary illnesses caused by obesity and smoking. To try to tax our way into paying for all of that and then some would represent higher taxation rates, and to people who are career-oriented and focused on building wealth those higher taxes could represent subsidizing the bad behaviors of people who don't care about being career-oriented or focused. To be fair, I do agree that we should aim for a healthier population and reduce preventable illnesses, which increased access to healthcare could assist in. No, it won't. It actually works the opposite. Try again. America, the one(or one of the few) first world nation without socialized medicine is the fattest. --- Guns; freedom you can hold in your hand. Sampson, Terrordactyl <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:904727192] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote>why does the idea of your taxes going to healthcare upset you so much </quote> Like I mentioned in my first post, 30% of our yearly medical expenditures are to treat unnecessary illnesses caused by obesity and smoking. To try to tax our way into paying for all of that and then some would represent higher taxation rates, and to people who are career-oriented and focused on building wealth those higher taxes could represent subsidizing the bad behaviors of people who don't care about being career-oriented or focused.</quote> To be fair, I do agree that we should aim for a healthier population and reduce preventable illnesses, which increased access to healthcare could assist in.</quote> No, it won't. It actually works the opposite.</quote> Try again. America, the one(or one of the few) first world nation without socialized medicine is the fattest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/18 8:42:14 PM #100:	_OujiDoza_ posted... darkjedilink posted... _OujiDoza_ posted... The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line? Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending. You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904727300] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_OujiDoza_ posted...</cite><quote>The government is stealing your money for less and this is where you cross the line?</quote> Not at all. I've routinely suggested major deep slashes to government spending.</quote> You don't seem to understand that the government won't be giving those savings back to you buddy</quote> So, you think if we cut spending by 70 percent, taxes wouldn't get lowered?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/08/18 8:43:22 PM #101:	mustachedmystic posted... darkjedilink posted... joestarrr posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... joestarrr posted... why does the idea of your taxes going to healthcare upset you so much Like I mentioned in my first post, 30% of our yearly medical expenditures are to treat unnecessary illnesses caused by obesity and smoking. To try to tax our way into paying for all of that and then some would represent higher taxation rates, and to people who are career-oriented and focused on building wealth those higher taxes could represent subsidizing the bad behaviors of people who don't care about being career-oriented or focused. To be fair, I do agree that we should aim for a healthier population and reduce preventable illnesses, which increased access to healthcare could assist in. No, it won't. It actually works the opposite. Try again. America, the one(or one of the few) first world nation without socialized medicine is the fattest. How do we not have 'socialized medicine' when the US government is the largest healthcare provider? By, like, a LOT. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:904727361] in so why don... [t:76788068]...</cite> <quote><cite>mustachedmystic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>joestarrr posted...</cite> <quote>why does the idea of your taxes going to healthcare upset you so much </quote> Like I mentioned in my first post, 30% of our yearly medical expenditures are to treat unnecessary illnesses caused by obesity and smoking. To try to tax our way into paying for all of that and then some would represent higher taxation rates, and to people who are career-oriented and focused on building wealth those higher taxes could represent subsidizing the bad behaviors of people who don't care about being career-oriented or focused.</quote> To be fair, I do agree that we should aim for a healthier population and reduce preventable illnesses, which increased access to healthcare could assist in.</quote> No, it won't. It actually works the opposite.</quote> Try again. America, the one(or one of the few) first world nation without socialized medicine is the fattest.</quote> How do we not have 'socialized medicine' when the US government is the largest healthcare provider? By, like, a LOT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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