Current Events > I pride myself on being able to show a person God doesn't exist

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And 100% of the time they are thankful and see the world in a new and better light. It is one of the greatest services you can do for a person.
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And when he does exist you're going to get blamed... what do you show them?
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He does though. And he loves you.
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Where did the matter in the singularity come from before the big bang? That's my hangup on believing everything just exists with no higher power making it so in ways beyond our comprehension. Not necessarily omnipotent, but a god nonetheless to beings of our intellect.
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He probably does exist just that he doesn't care anymore, he did give us a planet that supported us for 15,000 years already.
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God is real and loves me very much but if I don't worship him every week he'll roast my immortal soul for eternity.
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So how do you show them.
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Break it out, big boy. Let's see it.
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in this moment, I am euphoric
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boxington posted...

in this moment, I am euphoric

6 words ago
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We have already shown that the universe could form from nothing, Occam's Razor says we take the simplest explanation, if the universe can start from nothing why do we need God to start it?
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lilORANG posted...

God is real and loves me very much but if I don't worship him every week he'll roast my immortal soul for eternity.

Church attendence is fellowship and worship, and potentially ministry, but really has nothing to do with salvation. Salvation is s bout acknowledging that you've fallen short of God's standard and can't overcome that on your own, and calling on him to save you through the blood of Jesus Christ.
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iHuman posted...

We have already shown that the universe could form from nothing, Occam's Razor says we take the simplest explanation, if the universe can start from nothing why do we need God to start it?

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iHuman posted...

We have already shown that the universe could form from nothing, Occam's Razor says we take the simplest explanation, if the universe can start from nothing why do we need God to start it?

Is that really the simplest explanation? I would imagine coming up with the exception to conservation of energy is a lot more complicated than the idea that God just does whatever he wants and physics answers to him.
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DevsBro posted...

lilORANG posted...

God is real and loves me very much but if I don't worship him every week he'll roast my immortal soul for eternity.

Church attendence is fellowship and worship, and potentially ministry, but really has nothing to do with salvation. Salvation is s bout acknowledging that you've fallen short of God's standard and can't overcome that on your own, and calling on him to save you through the blood of Jesus Christ.

Jesus said he was God, God didn't die. Paul said Jesus would meet him before he died, guess what happened? (he didn't die) Also I'm a descendant of Noah not sin.
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DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

We have already shown that the universe could form from nothing, Occam's Razor says we take the simplest explanation, if the universe can start from nothing why do we need God to start it?

Is that really the simplest explanation? I would imagine coming up with the exception to conservation of energy is a lot more complicated than the idea that God just does whatever he wants and physics answers to him.

Yes it is because if you come up with God then you have to come up with a cause for God and so. Where does it end? When you have a God with the rewards for worshiping him you like most?
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Just someone else who does not believe in God forcing their beliefs on others. Nothing new here.
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MedzXVIII posted...

Just someone else who does not believe in God forcing their beliefs on others. Nothing new here.

My beliefs are grounded in logic and observation, not what I wish were true.
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iHuman posted...

DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

We have already shown that the universe could form from nothing, Occam's Razor says we take the simplest explanation, if the universe can start from nothing why do we need God to start it?

Is that really the simplest explanation? I would imagine coming up with the exception to conservation of energy is a lot more complicated than the idea that God just does whatever he wants and physics answers to him.

Yes it is because if you come up with God then you have to come up with a cause for God and so. Where does it end? When you have a God with the rewards for worshiping him you like most?

By human logic. This is a pointless circle debate. You can try to sound smart, but in the end, there's really no way of knowing if a higher being exists or not. You're just another ant who thinks he has the ant farm all firgured out.
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iHuman posted...

Yes it is because if you come up with God then you have to come up with a cause for God and so

Why?
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@Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Where did the matter in the singularity come from before the big bang? That's my hangup on believing everything just exists with no higher power making it so in ways beyond our comprehension. Not necessarily omnipotent, but a god nonetheless to beings of our intellect.

I think there's a theory that basically time is an illusion and matter has always just been "around" and the universe is going through cycles of expanding and contracting
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iHuman posted...

We have already shown that the universe could form from nothing, Occam's Razor says we take the simplest explanation, if the universe can start from nothing why do we need God to start it?

Universe starting from nothing seems like the simplest answer to me

iHuman posted...

DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

We have already shown that the universe could form from nothing, Occam's Razor says we take the simplest explanation, if the universe can start from nothing why do we need God to start it?

Is that really the simplest explanation? I would imagine coming up with the exception to conservation of energy is a lot more complicated than the idea that God just does whatever he wants and physics answers to him.

Yes it is because if you come up with God then you have to come up with a cause for God and so. Where does it end? When you have a God with the rewards for worshiping him you like most?

Nah, God was just always there because like I said, he does what he wants. Physics answers to him, philosophy answers to him, etc.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

By human logic. This is a pointless circle debate. You can try to sound smart, but in the end, there's really no way of knowing if a higher being exists or not. You're just another ant who thinks he has the ant farm all firgured out.

Not circular because we have proven the existence of virtual particles, these don't need a God at all.

EverDownward posted...

iHuman posted...

Yes it is because if you come up with God then you have to come up with a cause for God and so

Why?

Because you invoked God to answer the question where did everything come from, by that logic you have to account for where God came from, etc...

If you just say God always existed or came from nothing, why would you reject observations that show this to be true without the need of a God?
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So you pride yourself on something you can't do?

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

@Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Where did the matter in the singularity come from before the big bang? That's my hangup on believing everything just exists with no higher power making it so in ways beyond our comprehension. Not necessarily omnipotent, but a god nonetheless to beings of our intellect.

I think there's a theory that basically time is an illusion and matter has always just been "around" and the universe is going through cycles of expanding and contracting

Sounds dumb.
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My question is, why is the default setting to believe in something for which you've never seen yourself, as opposed to the other way around?

For example, if someone told me Pokemon existed IRL somewhere, my default setting isn't going to be "I believe you until someone proves you otherwise." My default setting is going to be "I'll believe it when I see it."

I will never understand why religion isn't approached in a similar manner.

So far, you are not doing a good job convincing me.
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ITT you need a reason that God exist but you don't need a reason the Universe exist? Iynno, I skimmed it
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iHuman posted...

If you just say God always existed or came from nothing, why would you reject observations that show this to be true without the need of a God?

Well matter isn't omnipotent so
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iHuman posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...
By human logic. This is a pointless circle debate. You can try to sound smart, but in the end, there's really no way of knowing if a higher being exists or not. You're just another ant who thinks he has the ant farm all firgured out.

Not circular because we have proven the existence of virtual particles, these don't need a God at all.

Something not needing to be, doesn't make it not exist. Wtf? lol

I grow weary of saying this, but... We have barely begun to explore our ocean's depth, and we aren't even for sure what is lurking down there, much less the far reaches of the universe. Who knows what, or who, is out there? If you know, let me know.
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Bishop9800 posted...

So far, you are not doing a good job convincing me.

Everything in the universe can be explained without God, and nearly every explanation is observable.

What does God have that compares? Religion? Why are there thousands of different ones? Morality? We've seen man develop laws on its own.
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iHuman posted...

by that logic you have to account for where God came from

Do I? Who says? Man? Science?
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Lost_All_Senses posted...

ITT you need a reason that God exist but you don't need a reason the Universe exist? Iynno, I skimmed it

The only reason God exists is because of our ignorance. This is why God used to be the Sun.

DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

If you just say God always existed or came from nothing, why would you reject observations that show this to be true without the need of a God?

Well matter isn't omnipotent so

Neither is God. Did God say he was omnipotent? If so, where?
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iHuman posted...

What does God have that compares? Religion? Why are there thousands of different ones? Morality? We've seen man develop laws on its own.

Ecclesiastes 3:11

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.

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iHuman posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

So far, you are not doing a good job convincing me.

Everything in the universe can be explained without God, and nearly every explanation is observable.

What does God have that compares? Religion? Why are there thousands of different ones? Morality? We've seen man develop laws on its own.

Many of the operations of the universe can be explained by science, but science says nothing about why any of it exists or the ultimate origins for how it came to be, let alone offering any guidance about the nature of humankind or morality.

MedzXVIII posted...

Just someone else who does not believe in God forcing their beliefs on others. Nothing new here.

Some hardcore atheists dont realize that they are just as bad as religious ppl who always try to push religion on others, they try to push lack of belief onto ppl as if they were enlightened or some shit.

DevsBro posted...

iHuman posted...

What does God have that compares? Religion? Why are there thousands of different ones? Morality? We've seen man develop laws on its own.

Ecclesiastes 3:11

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.

Except we can, right down to the the planck second. Why didn't God mention this?

KhanJohnny posted...

Many of the operations of the universe can be explained by science, but science says nothing about why any of it exists or the ultimate origins for how it came to be, let alone offering any guidance about the nature of humankind or morality.

Why? Because it can. We developed morality. We developed laws.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

iHuman posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

So far, you are not doing a good job convincing me.

Everything in the universe can be explained without God, and nearly every explanation is observable.

What does God have that compares? Religion? Why are there thousands of different ones? Morality? We've seen man develop laws on its own.

Many of the operations of the universe can be explained by science, but science says nothing about why any of it exists or the ultimate origins for how it came to be, let alone offering any guidance about the nature of humankind or morality.

you do understand that no one is trying to claim that science has all the answers right now, right? of course there are things that our current understanding of science says nothing about. 2000 years ago, our understanding of science said nothing about planetary and stellar movement, composition or formation. that's why people thought the planets were gods. but hey, guess what, over centuries, the human race deepened our collective understanding of the world and universe around us through science, and now we know that the planets aren't gods. that's how science works. as our understanding of it deepens, more of the mysteries of the universe are revealed. how religion works is that anything we don't understand is because of god, and everyone accepts that and remains ignorant and never tries to actually find a real answer.

Thats such a strawman lol

There are very few religious people that say because they believe in God, scientists should not explore the origins of the universe.

The truth is that science is never going to answer these questions, because these are questions beyond empiricism.

DuranOfForcena posted...

science says plenty about human nature and morality

Science can explain nature, it can't put a finite point on morality.

iHuman posted...

We developed morality. We developed laws.

Morality has always been intrinsically linked to religion, spiritual guidance and rules utilized for living a fulfilled life. Laws naturally follow.
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KhanJohnny posted...

The truth is that science is never going to answer these questions, because these are questions beyond empiricism.

These aren't objective questions. People who think there is some grand answer to why must also think the decisions they make daily factor into it.

Why did you eat breakfast today? Because God has some master secret plan for the human race?
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There's more proof of intelligent design than not.
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EverDownward posted...

Morality has always been intrinsically linked to religion, spiritual guidance and rules utilized for living a fulfilled life. Laws naturally follow.

No it hasn't. What religion? Please do tell. All religion?
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iHuman posted...

Did God say he was omnipotent? If so, where?

Matthew 19:26

But Jesus looked at them and said, With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

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HypnoCoosh posted...

There's more proof of intelligent design than not.

Also false. The universe had billions of years to work.
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