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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/02/18 4:35:01 PM
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Veggeta X
07/02/18 4:35:37 PM
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Yes, but his super power makes him heal from it faster.
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Kisai
07/02/18 4:36:03 PM
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His weakness is magic?

This just proves the superiority of magic.
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07/02/18 4:36:20 PM
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Touch
07/02/18 4:37:23 PM
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Yes. Gob Bluth solos him 9/10 times
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Sephiroth1288
07/02/18 4:39:04 PM
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Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is
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dr_marble
07/02/18 4:39:36 PM
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Touch posted...
Yes. Gob Bluth solos him 9/10 times

I heard they're writing a new arc where Gob kills him and buries him in the Aztec Tomb.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/02/18 4:40:14 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

so like

a high level sorcerer would be able to trap superman?
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Irony
07/02/18 4:40:34 PM
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Just his career
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Sephiroth1288
07/02/18 4:41:07 PM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

so like

a high level sorcerer would be able to trap superman?

Yes
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pegusus123456
07/02/18 6:06:17 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

People always say this and it's always dumb. If he's nearly immune to everything else, then something he has no natural defenses against is what you would call a weakness.
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SophieLuvsTofu
07/02/18 6:06:43 PM
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Wasn't that Joker?
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Tyranthraxus
07/02/18 6:07:44 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

People always say this and it's always dumb. If he's nearly immune to everything else, then something he has no natural defenses against is what you would call a weakness.

Yeah. This. Just because Kryptonite is worse doesn't mean he's not weak to magic.
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Foppe
07/02/18 6:07:56 PM
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No, Joker tricked Mr. Mxyzptlk to give him 99% of his powers.
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SpinKirby
07/02/18 6:08:00 PM
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Hypnosis and brainwashing wreck him.
Even Batman is mentally stronger than Superman.

This is also annoying, cuz Shazam always loses to Supes, even though it should be a win.
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Tyranthraxus
07/02/18 6:12:45 PM
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SpinKirby posted...
Hypnosis and brainwashing wreck him.

No. He's proven resistant again Martian Manhunter. Unless the mind control is magical in nature.

SpinKirby posted...
Even Batman is mentally stronger than Superman.

What

SpinKirby posted...
This is also annoying, cuz Shazam always loses to Supes, even though it should be a win.

Have you even read kingdom come?
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ClockworkHare
07/02/18 6:16:10 PM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

so like

a high level sorcerer would be able to trap superman?

A decent teleporter would be able to exile Superman.

The writers have had decades to figure out this shit and it's why Supes doesn't take on jobber level opponents who can cheese him out of action with certain powers. Fuck, Darkseid has a shit ton of ways to just dismiss Superbaby into lost space, but never bothers for...reasons.
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Tyranthraxus
07/02/18 6:22:40 PM
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ClockworkHare posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

so like

a high level sorcerer would be able to trap superman?

A decent teleporter would be able to exile Superman.

The writers have had decades to figure out this shit and it's why Supes doesn't take on jobber level opponents who can cheese him out of action with certain powers. Fuck, Darkseid has a shit ton of ways to just dismiss Superbaby into lost space, but never bothers for...reasons.

More like he does and Superman finds a way out.
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Esrac
07/02/18 6:41:50 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

People always say this and it's always dumb. If he's nearly immune to everything else, then something he has no natural defenses against is what you would call a weakness.

Yeah. This. Just because Kryptonite is worse doesn't mean he's not weak to magic.


No, it's not like that really.

Compare it to a video game with resistances and immunities. Like Shin Megami Tensei.

Superman would reflect bullets, resist explosions, neutral to magic, and weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation.

Magic doesn't effect Superman especially, he just doesn't resist it. It works the same on him as any normal guy. But he is weak to kryptonite because it harms him in an extreme way that it doesn't harm other people.
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Hinakuluiau
07/02/18 6:45:01 PM
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Yes and no

Think about it like a wizard casting fireball. It's just fire and Superman isn't a little bitch so the fire won't do anything.
A fireball that can burn anything though? Well tough shit for Superman, he's gonna burn. Hopefully his healing factor kicks in cause otherwise he's gonna burn.

Or a magic sword. It's just metal, so it'll break when trying to stab him.
But a magic sword that is enchanted to cut through anything? Superman gonna be a ribbon in no time.

It's a slight difference and needs a little nuance to it.
Thing is though, it's all moot. The writers aren't consistent with him or this weakness, so it doesn't really matter.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/02/18 6:46:02 PM
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Hinakuluiau posted...
Yes and no

Think about it like a wizard casting fireball. It's just fire and Superman isn't a little bitch so the fire won't do anything.
A fireball that can burn anything though? Well tough shit for Superman, he's gonna burn. Hopefully his healing factor kicks in cause otherwise he's gonna burn.

Or a magic sword. It's just metal, so it'll break when trying to stab him.
But a magic sword that is enchanted to cut through anything? Superman gonna be a ribbon in no time.

It's a slight difference and needs a little nuance to it.
Thing is though, it's all moot. The writers aren't consistent with him or this weakness, so it doesn't really matter.

so in a nutshell, he has no real like... "arcane" powers
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Tyranthraxus
07/02/18 6:46:47 PM
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Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

People always say this and it's always dumb. If he's nearly immune to everything else, then something he has no natural defenses against is what you would call a weakness.

Yeah. This. Just because Kryptonite is worse doesn't mean he's not weak to magic.


No, it's not like that really.

Compare it to a video game with resistances and immunities. Like Shin Megami Tensei.

Superman would reflect bullets, resist explosions, neutral to magic, and weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation.

Magic doesn't effect Superman especially, he just doesn't resist it. It works the same on him as any normal guy. But he is weak to kryptonite because it harms him in an extreme way that it doesn't harm other people.

If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?
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ClockworkHare
07/02/18 6:49:29 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ClockworkHare posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

so like

a high level sorcerer would be able to trap superman?

A decent teleporter would be able to exile Superman.

The writers have had decades to figure out this shit and it's why Supes doesn't take on jobber level opponents who can cheese him out of action with certain powers. Fuck, Darkseid has a shit ton of ways to just dismiss Superbaby into lost space, but never bothers for...reasons.

More like he does and Superman finds a way out.

Which is still poor writing, but that's nothing new for comics.
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MC_BatCommander
07/02/18 6:49:48 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?


If fire doesn't do bonus damage and just does neutral damage, you would not call it weakness.

"He's weak to..." in all video games exclusively refers to something that does EXTRA damage, not just something an enemy isn't immune to.

In video game terms, Superman would be weak to kryptonite as it would do extra damage against him, and would be neutral to magic as it affects him on the same level it affects anyone else.
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DrizztLink
07/02/18 6:52:04 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?


If fire doesn't do bonus damage and just does neutral damage, you would not call it weakness.

"He's weak to..." in all video games exclusively refers to something that does EXTRA damage, not just something an enemy isn't immune to.

In video game terms, Superman would be weak to kryptonite as it would do extra damage against him, and would be neutral to magic as it affects him on the same level it affects anyone else.

So Superman is a Pokemon that takes no damage from everything except Dark, which does normal damage instead of SE.
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Esrac
07/02/18 6:52:19 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

People always say this and it's always dumb. If he's nearly immune to everything else, then something he has no natural defenses against is what you would call a weakness.

Yeah. This. Just because Kryptonite is worse doesn't mean he's not weak to magic.


No, it's not like that really.

Compare it to a video game with resistances and immunities. Like Shin Megami Tensei.

Superman would reflect bullets, resist explosions, neutral to magic, and weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation.

Magic doesn't effect Superman especially, he just doesn't resist it. It works the same on him as any normal guy. But he is weak to kryptonite because it harms him in an extreme way that it doesn't harm other people.

If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?


A neutral effect. Unless he takes extra damage from it
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SpinKirby
07/02/18 6:53:37 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Have you even read kingdom come?


It's like the only thing i didn't read. Lol

MM is all over the place and was part retconned or w/e.

I've seen Superman possed like 99 times in both comics and animation, but Batman's "training" seems to bail him out.
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Esrac
07/02/18 6:54:07 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?


If fire doesn't do bonus damage and just does neutral damage, you would not call it weakness.

"He's weak to..." in all video games exclusively refers to something that does EXTRA damage, not just something an enemy isn't immune to.

In video game terms, Superman would be weak to kryptonite as it would do extra damage against him, and would be neutral to magic as it affects him on the same level it affects anyone else.

So Superman is a Pokemon that takes no damage from everything except Dark, which does normal damage instead of SE.


Yes, that is another way to put it regarding magic. But then you would want to include something he is super effected by to compare to kryptonite.
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DrizztLink
07/02/18 6:54:24 PM
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Esrac posted...
DrizztLink posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?


If fire doesn't do bonus damage and just does neutral damage, you would not call it weakness.

"He's weak to..." in all video games exclusively refers to something that does EXTRA damage, not just something an enemy isn't immune to.

In video game terms, Superman would be weak to kryptonite as it would do extra damage against him, and would be neutral to magic as it affects him on the same level it affects anyone else.

So Superman is a Pokemon that takes no damage from everything except Dark, which does normal damage instead of SE.


Yes, that is another way to put it regarding magic. But then you would want to include something he is super effected by to compare to kryptonite.

Touche.

Though that might be more like one of the moves that lets Normal affect Ghost, since it removes invulnerability.
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Tyranthraxus
07/02/18 6:54:48 PM
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Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

People always say this and it's always dumb. If he's nearly immune to everything else, then something he has no natural defenses against is what you would call a weakness.

Yeah. This. Just because Kryptonite is worse doesn't mean he's not weak to magic.


No, it's not like that really.

Compare it to a video game with resistances and immunities. Like Shin Megami Tensei.

Superman would reflect bullets, resist explosions, neutral to magic, and weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation.

Magic doesn't effect Superman especially, he just doesn't resist it. It works the same on him as any normal guy. But he is weak to kryptonite because it harms him in an extreme way that it doesn't harm other people.

If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?


A neutral effect. Unless he takes extra damage from it

You are hopeless
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/02/18 6:55:09 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Superman isn't weak to magic, he just has no natural defenses against it

Like, he's exactly as weak to magic as the Flash is

People always say this and it's always dumb. If he's nearly immune to everything else, then something he has no natural defenses against is what you would call a weakness.

Yeah. This. Just because Kryptonite is worse doesn't mean he's not weak to magic.


No, it's not like that really.

Compare it to a video game with resistances and immunities. Like Shin Megami Tensei.

Superman would reflect bullets, resist explosions, neutral to magic, and weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation.

Magic doesn't effect Superman especially, he just doesn't resist it. It works the same on him as any normal guy. But he is weak to kryptonite because it harms him in an extreme way that it doesn't harm other people.

If you have a video game boss that is immune to everything except fire... What do you call that?


A neutral effect. Unless he takes extra damage from it

You are hopeless

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spikethedevil
07/02/18 6:56:16 PM
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If it's the only thing that damages the boss then that thing is the boss weakness.
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Darmik
07/02/18 6:59:29 PM
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Can Zatanna stand a chance against Superman
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spikethedevil
07/02/18 7:00:11 PM
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Darmik posted...
Can Zatanna stand a chance against Superman


Yes and IIRC that was one of the reasons he didn't want her in the Justice League.
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MC_BatCommander
07/02/18 7:01:56 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
If it's the only thing that damages the boss then that thing is the boss weakness.


It's not tho. Imagine Supes as a video game boss

Kryptonite does extra damage to him, magic does reg damage

Kryponite would be considered his weakness, not magic
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spikethedevil
07/02/18 7:05:23 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
spikethedevil posted...
If it's the only thing that damages the boss then that thing is the boss weakness.


It's not tho. Imagine Supes as a video game boss

Kryptonite does extra damage to him, magic does reg damage

Kryponite would be considered his weakness, not magic


The argument was if it was THE ONLY THING that could damage the boss. Magic counts as weakness as it's the only other thing that can hurt him.
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pegusus123456
07/02/18 7:06:49 PM
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No, magic is a weakness of Superman's.

Video game analogies don't matter, it's just what the English language designates as the definition of the word.
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KarmaMuffin
07/02/18 7:07:04 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
The argument was if it was THE ONLY THING that could damage the boss. Magic counts as weakness as it's the only other thing that can hurt him.

We are talking about Superman though, not some hypothetical character. If I was playing an RPG and Superman was the boss I'd say it like this to a friend who was struggling to beat him
"He's immune to most status effects, resistant to most elements, takes normal damage from magic, and is weak to kryptonite and the red sun"
Because it's important to distinguish between 1x damage and 2x damage
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Darmik
07/02/18 7:07:41 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
The argument was if it was THE ONLY THING that could damage the boss. Magic counts as weakness as it's the only other thing that can hurt him.


Plenty of other things can hurt him. You just need to be really strong or powerful to use them.
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A_Good_Boy
07/02/18 7:09:03 PM
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Was Achilles' heel his weak point or just a spot where he wasn't immune from harm?
Was Baldur weak to mistletoe or is it just the only thing that can hurt him?
Is Superman weak to magic or is it the only thing that he doesn't have a resistance to?
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Tyranthraxus
07/02/18 7:26:39 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Was Achilles' heel his weak point or just a spot where he wasn't immune from harm?
Was Baldur weak to mistletoe or is it just the only thing that can hurt him?
Is Superman weak to magic or is it the only thing that he doesn't have a resistance to?

Thank you.
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Esrac
07/02/18 10:07:34 PM
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Darmik posted...
spikethedevil posted...
The argument was if it was THE ONLY THING that could damage the boss. Magic counts as weakness as it's the only other thing that can hurt him.


Plenty of other things can hurt him. You just need to be really strong or powerful to use them.


If you've ever played Shin Megami Tensei, magic would be like the Almighty element. It effects almost all targets normally, but no target is weak to it. Compared to targets that take additional damage from fire, ice, electric, wind, or physical attacks.

In the case of Superman, he would take normal damage from magic, but be weak to kryptonite and red sun radiation. So, in this video game analogy, attacks with the kryptonite property would deal additional damage and grant an extra turn, while magic would deal normal damage.

A_Good_Boy posted...
Was Achilles' heel his weak point or just a spot where he wasn't immune from harm?
Was Baldur weak to mistletoe or is it just the only thing that can hurt him?
Is Superman weak to magic or is it the only thing that he doesn't have a resistance to?


Not really a good comparison when Superman has other things he actually is weak to. So much so that bring some things kryptonite is an idiom as well known as being something's Achilles' heel.
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Tyranthraxus
07/02/18 10:18:07 PM
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Esrac posted...
Not really a good comparison when Superman has other things he actually is weak to. So much so that bring some things kryptonite is an idiom as well known as being something's Achilles' heel.

No. The heel is a perfect example. He didn't die because he was shot in the heel. He died because the arrow he got shot with was poisoned.

In some cases the poison was paralytic and other people killed him while he was helpless.

If it was just a regular arrow, he'd just wrap up his foot and be all better a few days later.

Another version of the story is that the arrow was empowered by Apollo.

He wasn't just struck in his weak spot. He was hit by a very strong attack.

(Other versions of Achilles describe him as not actually invulnerable, but just that much of a badass warrior)
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