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EdgeMaster 07/02/18 9:55:24 PM #206:	Been reading this topic and came in to say a few things.. 1) I like how Mario2000 got absolutely fucking slaughtered within the first page, made him look like he belongs in special ed class (he really does though...) now on page 5 and he still hasnt been able to explain why woman are oppressed despite 5 pages of people giving reasons how woman have it better in Western Culture. 2) I like how Teddytalks brings up how women get paid less in professional sports. Boo fuckin hoo, we arent crying that US Mens MLS players get paid substantially less than if they played in Europe or pretty much anywhere else that isnt the US. Also have you ever seen the attendance at a WNBA game? Not that hard to realize why they dont make 6-7 figures when only 20 people buy a ticket and show up. --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:904390558] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Been reading this topic and came in to say a few things.. 1) I like how Mario2000 got absolutely fucking slaughtered within the first page, made him look like he belongs in special ed class (he really does though...) now on page 5 and he still hasnt been able to explain why woman are oppressed despite 5 pages of people giving reasons how woman have it better in Western Culture. 2) I like how Teddytalks brings up how women get paid less in professional sports. Boo fuckin hoo, we arent crying that US Mens MLS players get paid substantially less than if they played in Europe or pretty much anywhere else that isnt the US. Also have you ever seen the attendance at a WNBA game? Not that hard to realize why they dont make 6-7 figures when only 20 people buy a ticket and show up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 9:56:00 PM #207:	Teddytalks posted... How is it ridiculous? Have you been in a sex shop before? Have you ever had sex before? ^ this is the guy who accused me of using baby babble earlier, everyone XD To say that someone is sexualizing sex is a complete redundancy. It is just sex. Using sexual images to inform people of the content of the media is perfectly fine, as that what it is. It is a fitting depiction of the content enclosed. Would you consider the cover of most porn Movies sexist? Be honest. Meanwhile, wow wall paper is just pandering and fan service. The media itself is a MMORPG that focus entire on cooldown management, raids, farming, and a variety of other stuff like quests and w/e u do in wow. It is actually pretty strategic, indepth and involved. Sex just detracts from the main part of the product, and actually makes it look cheap, like the game itself can't be sold without sex. You're making a distinction without a difference. There's zero reason why someone who is turned off by a sexy woman in a video game would not also be turned off by a sexy woman on a romance novel. In both cases, the media is using sex to sell. A romance novel could easily have a cover that is a solid color with just the title, but almost all of them depict a shirtless muscular dude with a woman who's clothes are falling off of her. It's as if it can't sell without sexy women, right? No, obviously the cover is there to sell more copies. Why? Because women like looking at sexy people just like men do, and your odd suppositions for why that suddenly becomes a turn-off to women when it's on a video game isn't compelling at all. Yeah, you would say you're getting trolled. Go ask a girl on this board about the kind of harassment they deal with, and you should know it goes way beyond trolling. Man, I wish I'd saved my old messages from XBL somehow. It's amazing how much vile shit you get when you're really good at Halo 3. You know the difference between getting catcalled, stalked, harassed, etc, and getting mugged. Don't deflect back to crime rates, when we're talking socially. You said men had the right to be left alone. I'd say the fact that men are more likely to be assaulted or killed pretty much negates that statement entirely, doesn't it? Yet still only happens mainly to women, so I am not sure what you mean here. "But it illegal" isn't a valid rebuttal. We are talking about how women have it worse then men, and this is a definite case of that. Yes, there are indeed crimes that overwhelmingly target women. There's also a lot of crimes that overwhelmingly target men, namely murder. In this topic I'm asking what rights (or perks, in your posts' case) men have that women don't. I don't know about you, but I would much rather be trafficked than murdered. I think most would agree. No. Have you seen how nerds treat cosplayers? Imagine that but with gamers instead. With shyness and awkward flirting. Have you ever been to a cosplay convention? And why you think that is? You're the one claiming the reason is sexism, but you have no proof that's true aside from a couple assholes in the esports circuit. I would say it's because boys are naturally attracted to things and women are naturally attracted to people. This is a difference that has a lot of psychological evidence behind it, and would explain why more boys than girls would rather play Mario than go out with friends. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904390591] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Teddytalks posted...</cite> <quote>How is it ridiculous? Have you been in a sex shop before? Have you ever had sex before?</quote> ^ this is the guy who accused me of using baby babble earlier, everyone XD <quote>To say that someone is sexualizing sex is a complete redundancy. It is just sex. Using sexual images to inform people of the content of the media is perfectly fine, as that what it is. It is a fitting depiction of the content enclosed. Would you consider the cover of most porn Movies sexist? Be honest. Meanwhile, wow wall paper is just pandering and fan service. The media itself is a MMORPG that focus entire on cooldown management, raids, farming, and a variety of other stuff like quests and w/e u do in wow. It is actually pretty strategic, indepth and involved. Sex just detracts from the main part of the product, and actually makes it look cheap, like the game itself can't be sold without sex.</quote> You're making a distinction without a difference. There's zero reason why someone who is turned off by a sexy woman in a video game would not also be turned off by a sexy woman on a romance novel. In both cases, the media is using sex to sell. A romance novel could easily have a cover that is a solid color with just the title, but almost all of them depict a shirtless muscular dude with a woman who's clothes are falling off of her. It's as if it can't sell without sexy women, right? No, obviously the cover is there to sell more copies. Why? Because women like looking at sexy people just like men do, and your odd suppositions for why that suddenly becomes a turn-off to women when it's on a video game isn't compelling at all. <quote>Yeah, you would say you're getting trolled. Go ask a girl on this board about the kind of harassment they deal with, and you should know it goes way beyond trolling. </quote> Man, I wish I'd saved my old messages from XBL somehow. It's amazing how much vile shit you get when you're really good at Halo 3. <quote>You know the difference between getting catcalled, stalked, harassed, etc, and getting mugged. Don't deflect back to crime rates, when we're talking socially.</quote> You said men had the right to be left alone. I'd say the fact that men are more likely to be assaulted or killed pretty much negates that statement entirely, doesn't it? <quote>Yet still only happens mainly to women, so I am not sure what you mean here. "But it illegal" isn't a valid rebuttal. We are talking about how women have it worse then men, and this is a definite case of that.</quote> Yes, there are indeed crimes that overwhelmingly target women. There's also a lot of crimes that overwhelmingly target men, namely murder. In this topic I'm asking what rights (or perks, in your posts' case) men have that women don't. I don't know about you, but I would much rather be trafficked than murdered. I think most would agree. <quote>No. Have you seen how nerds treat cosplayers? Imagine that but with gamers instead.</quote> With shyness and awkward flirting. Have you ever been to a cosplay convention? <quote>And why you think that is?</quote> You're the one claiming the reason is sexism, but you have no proof that's true aside from a couple assholes in the esports circuit. I would say it's because boys are naturally attracted to things and women are naturally attracted to people. This is a difference that has a lot of psychological evidence behind it, and would explain why more boys than girls would rather play Mario than go out with friends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/02/18 10:17:54 PM #208:	We can find individual cases of dumb judgments for any crime all day. The fact is though that rapists are demonized by society and are given hefty sentences as a whole. The fact that you needed to go back over two years to find an exception says a lot, by the way, and in any case I guarantee you "boys will be boys" was not used in the rapist's defense there. I don't have the time to save a bunch of rape stories, and I don't feel like looking up recent ones. My main case was that men are given exceptions for their shitty behaviors. We can use Mayweather assaulting his wife and xxxtenactcion as examples. I could dig up more, like football players getting away with rape, and other sports teams. You can explain it away as symptoms of their position, but at that point we're disagreeing on cause and effect. I supported my side well enough. No, I think men being able to run faster, hit harder, score more baskets etc. does though. Think of it this way: half of the population is female. If women wanted to watch women's sports, it would be as big as male professional sports are. Unless you believe most women are also sexist against women, I don;t know what your argument is here Women are not going to watch something just because it has women. They're going to levitate towards what is more popular, has more exposure, sponsorships, attractions, etc. Women sports don't draw in enough money to do any of that. You can say it because of hits, speed, baskets, etc, but some of that can be due to the lack of a talent pool, lack of data due to lower exposure, or simply people not caring because it is women. I am not sure you're point you're here is either, as there is valid explanations for the discrepancy. Except I'm the only one giving concrete reasons for overall pay disparity in sports while you're making blanket statements that everything has to do with sexism. "Concrete", all you gave was your viewpoint, which doesn't mean a damn thing without data to back it up. At best, yours is as good as mine, and if you want to spend hours looking up data to support your point, go for it. Can you give one solid example of a female athlete who drew more revenue than a man and still got paid less? That's a stupid question because women drawn in less revenue due to less people caring about their sports. Maybe I can look up Rhonda Rousey numbers compared to others, but idc enough. Teddytalks posted... The countless articles about discrimination against women in stem fields, and calling people a women or likening their fighting prowess to women Is a direct insult to their physical capability? These articles wouldn't happen to be by Buzzfeed, would they? Insulting. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/07/how-women-are-harassed-out-of-science/492521/ Anyway, if women are so discriminated against in STEM fields then you're gonna need to explain why women dominate the fields of biology, botany, and statistics. Are there any money in those fields, or are they filled with interns? I already provided support, could give more, but what the point? Atlantic a good source. Evidently they had professors who didn't doubt their intelligence. And they get hired at the same rate as men who look for jobs, so evidently their employers don't doubt their intelligence. Who is doubting these women's intelligence, and where are they? Professors can't auto fail their students. And can you show me your numbers? <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:904391915] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><quote>We can find individual cases of dumb judgments for any crime all day. The fact is though that rapists are demonized by society and are given hefty sentences as a whole. The fact that you needed to go back over two years to find an exception says a lot, by the way, and in any case I guarantee you "boys will be boys" was not used in the rapist's defense there.</quote> I don't have the time to save a bunch of rape stories, and I don't feel like looking up recent ones. My main case was that men are given exceptions for their shitty behaviors. We can use Mayweather assaulting his wife and xxxtenactcion as examples. I could dig up more, like football players getting away with rape, and other sports teams. You can explain it away as symptoms of their position, but at that point we're disagreeing on cause and effect. I supported my side well enough. <quote>No, I think men being able to run faster, hit harder, score more baskets etc. does though. Think of it this way: half of the population is female. If women wanted to watch women's sports, it would be as big as male professional sports are. Unless you believe most women are also sexist against women, I don;t know what your argument is here </quote> Women are not going to watch something just because it has women. They're going to levitate towards what is more popular, has more exposure, sponsorships, attractions, etc. Women sports don't draw in enough money to do any of that. You can say it because of hits, speed, baskets, etc, but some of that can be due to the lack of a talent pool, lack of data due to lower exposure, or simply people not caring because it is women. I am not sure you're point you're here is either, as there is valid explanations for the discrepancy. Except I'm the only one giving concrete reasons for overall pay disparity in sports while you're making blanket statements that everything has to do with sexism. "Concrete", all you gave was your viewpoint, which doesn't mean a damn thing without data to back it up. At best, yours is as good as mine, and if you want to spend hours looking up data to support your point, go for it. <quote> Can you give one solid example of a female athlete who drew more revenue than a man and still got paid less?</quote> That's a stupid question because women drawn in less revenue due to less people caring about their sports. Maybe I can look up Rhonda Rousey numbers compared to others, but idc enough. <cite>Teddytalks posted...</cite> <quote>The countless articles about discrimination against women in stem fields, and calling people a women or likening their fighting prowess to women Is a direct insult to their physical capability?</quote> <quote> These articles wouldn't happen to be by Buzzfeed, would they?</quote> Insulting. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/07/how-women-are-harassed-out-of-science/492521/ <quote> Anyway, if women are so discriminated against in STEM fields then you're gonna need to explain why women dominate the fields of biology, botany, and statistics. </quote> Are there any money in those fields, or are they filled with interns? I already provided support, could give more, but what the point? Atlantic a good source. <quote> Evidently they had professors who didn't doubt their intelligence. And they get hired at the same rate as men who look for jobs, so evidently their employers don't doubt their intelligence. Who is doubting these women's intelligence, and where are they?</quote> Professors can't auto fail their students. And can you show me your numbers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/02/18 10:20:38 PM #209:	Probably because the majority Women vote in higher rates than men do, so the people in power are put there by women, not men. Are you suggesting that women don't know what's good for themselves? Considering the vast majority of people who voted against their own interest throughout history, I can easily say that for some of them, that is true. <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:904392081] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><quote>Probably because the majority Women vote in higher rates than men do, so the people in power are put there by women, not men. Are you suggesting that women don't know what's good for themselves?</quote> Considering the vast majority of people who voted against their own interest throughout history, I can easily say that for some of them, that is true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/02/18 10:30:59 PM #210:	Damn Mario was obliterated Stop bring so ideologically possessed bro. It's unbecoming <cite>Romes187 posted [p:904392748] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Damn Mario was obliterated Stop bring so ideologically possessed bro. It's unbecoming</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jergensmeat 07/02/18 10:32:08 PM #211:	Lol this is getting out of control... I refuse to believe the concept of "male privilege" no matter how much you try. By the end of the day you know both men and women are gonna be completely obsolete in the future. The sexbots, toaster and sweeping robot are replacing women. Dildos, automation and chocolate are replacing men. <cite>Jergensmeat posted [p:904392812] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Lol this is getting out of control... I refuse to believe the concept of "male privilege" no matter how much you try. By the end of the day you know both men and women are gonna be completely obsolete in the future. The sexbots, toaster and sweeping robot are replacing women. Dildos, automation and chocolate are replacing men.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JohnLennonTrump 07/02/18 10:33:07 PM #212:	200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections? --- Trump/Pence 2020: Make America Great Again! <cite>JohnLennonTrump posted [p:904392871] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jergensmeat 07/02/18 10:37:42 PM #213:	JohnLennonTrump posted... 200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections? No, lol. What do you expect with the current mentality the Western World has? <cite>Jergensmeat posted [p:904393119] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennonTrump posted...</cite> <quote>200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections?</quote> No, lol. What do you expect with the current mentality the Western World has?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 10:38:16 PM #214:	JohnLennonTrump posted... 200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections? Nope. Teddy has tried his damndest, but none of the examples he gave could even charitably be called "rights". --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904393150] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennonTrump posted...</cite> <quote>200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections?</quote> Nope. Teddy has tried his damndest, but none of the examples he gave could even charitably be called "rights".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tedtalker 07/02/18 10:51:09 PM #215:	Apologies in advance for the different user, my phone died and I am having trouble with that password. Also for the slightly arrogant tone, I mistook you for a troll, as there are plenty of those on this board. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now on. You're making a distinction without a difference. There's zero reason why someone who is turned off by a sexy woman in a video game would not also be turned off by a sexy woman on a romance novel. The key difference is context. Who eats while watching porn? Some things are fine by themselves but when mixed with something else do not pair well. Why would i want to see titties when I am in a building battle in fortnite? It is a distraction from what the key part of the game is, and would turn me off. Meanwhile in porn, it doesn't. In both cases, the media is using sex to sell. A romance novel could easily have a cover that is a solid color with just the title, but almost all of them depict a shirtless muscular dude with a woman who's clothes are falling off of her. It's as if it can't sell without sexy women, right? Moreso it is better to be up front what the content is, not to sell the sex, but to let the reader know what kind of content it is. This is a bad argument you're making as a history novel wouldn't use scantily clad women if it wanted to be taken seriously. The same way a romance novel won't have a picture of a little girl on the front of it. No, obviously the cover is there to sell more copies. Why? Because women like looking at sexy people just like men do, and your odd suppositions for why that suddenly becomes a turn-off to women when it's on a video game isn't compelling at all. your failure to understand context has no bearing on the quality of the argument. It like as if everybody should immediately get hard where ever they should see titties. Doesn't matter if it is in a classroom, on the street, or a mother breast feeding her children. Man, I wish I'd saved my old messages from XBL somehow. It's amazing how much vile shit you get when you're really good at Halo 3. I can recall mine. None of it was contionous harasment because of my gender though. Still remember an asshole on a skateboard sticking his tongue out as he passed a women.. while me and a female coworker watched. You said men had the right to be left alone. I'd say the fact that men are more likely to be assaulted or killed pretty much negates that statement entirely, doesn't it? It doesn't. If you want to be annoying technically, bring a chart of the number of assaults and men face, and then we compare it to the number of times women get assaulted, then factor it into the number of times women get harassed in the streets, sexually assaulted but don't report it, stalked, etc. Once we do all that, and we still find that men are let alone less than women, then we can say your point negate mine. Until then, not a chance. Yes, there are indeed crimes that overwhelmingly target women. There's also a lot of crimes that overwhelmingly target men, namely murder. In this topic I'm asking what rights (or perks, in your posts' case) men have that women don't. I don't know about you, but I would much rather be trafficked than murdered. I think most would agree. Die with dignity, or be someone else bitch... what one I choose... I think we know most would not find that an easy answer. <cite>Tedtalker posted [p:904393865] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Apologies in advance for the different user, my phone died and I am having trouble with that password. Also for the slightly arrogant tone, I mistook you for a troll, as there are plenty of those on this board. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now on. <quote> You're making a distinction without a difference. There's zero reason why someone who is turned off by a sexy woman in a video game would not also be turned off by a sexy woman on a romance novel.</quote> The key difference is context. Who eats while watching porn? Some things are fine by themselves but when mixed with something else do not pair well. Why would i want to see titties when I am in a building battle in fortnite? It is a distraction from what the key part of the game is, and would turn me off. Meanwhile in porn, it doesn't. <quote>In both cases, the media is using sex to sell. A romance novel could easily have a cover that is a solid color with just the title, but almost all of them depict a shirtless muscular dude with a woman who's clothes are falling off of her. It's as if it can't sell without sexy women, right? </quote> Moreso it is better to be up front what the content is, not to sell the sex, but to let the reader know what kind of content it is. This is a bad argument you're making as a history novel wouldn't use scantily clad women if it wanted to be taken seriously. The same way a romance novel won't have a picture of a little girl on the front of it. <quote>No, obviously the cover is there to sell more copies. Why? Because women like looking at sexy people just like men do, and your odd suppositions for why that suddenly becomes a turn-off to women when it's on a video game isn't compelling at all. </quote> your failure to understand context has no bearing on the quality of the argument. It like as if everybody should immediately get hard where ever they should see titties. Doesn't matter if it is in a classroom, on the street, or a mother breast feeding her children. <quote> Man, I wish I'd saved my old messages from XBL somehow. It's amazing how much vile shit you get when you're really good at Halo 3.</quote> I can recall mine. None of it was contionous harasment because of my gender though. Still remember an asshole on a skateboard sticking his tongue out as he passed a women.. while me and a female coworker watched. <quote> You said men had the right to be left alone. I'd say the fact that men are more likely to be assaulted or killed pretty much negates that statement entirely, doesn't it?</quote> It doesn't. If you want to be annoying technically, bring a chart of the number of assaults and men face, and then we compare it to the number of times women get assaulted, then factor it into the number of times women get harassed in the streets, sexually assaulted but don't report it, stalked, etc. Once we do all that, and we still find that men are let alone less than women, then we can say your point negate mine. Until then, not a chance. <quote> Yes, there are indeed crimes that overwhelmingly target women. There's also a lot of crimes that overwhelmingly target men, namely murder. In this topic I'm asking what rights (or perks, in your posts' case) men have that women don't. I don't know about you, but I would much rather be trafficked than murdered. I think most would agree. </quote> Die with dignity, or be someone else bitch... what one I choose... I think we know most would not find that an easy answer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 10:54:20 PM #216:	Teddytalks posted... I don't have the time to save a bunch of rape stories, and I don't feel like looking up recent ones. My main case was that men are given exceptions for their s**ty behaviors. We can use Mayweather assaulting his wife and xxxtenactcion as examples. I could dig up more, like football players getting away with rape, and other sports teams. You can explain it away as symptoms of their position, but at that point we're disagreeing on cause and effect. I supported my side well enough. As I said in the very part of the post you quoted, we can find individual examples of bad judgments all day. I'm willing to bet I can find at least as many cases of women getting off scot-free for terrible shit as you could find of men, but I don't think that would ever convince you, would it? So why are you trying to play that game against me? Women are not going to watch something just because it has women. They're going to levitate towards what is more popular, has more exposure, sponsorships, attractions, etc. Women sports don't draw in enough money to do any of that. You can say it because of hits, (removed for post space) I am not sure you're point you're here is either, as there is valid explanations for the discrepancy. Dude, everyone can easily find out what time the WNBA game is. People don't require billboards to tell them what they want to watch. You can deny my arguments if you like, but at the end of the day your only response is "it's got to be sexism" even though you haven't explained how you can be so sure of that, or why that's more convincing than men's sports simply being more physically impressive. "Concrete", all you gave was your viewpoint, which doesn't mean a damn thing without data to back it up. At best, yours is as good as mine, and if you want to spend hours looking up data to support your point, go for it. What? It's just my viewpoint* that athletes in less-popular sports get paid less than more popular sports, be they men's or women's leagues? You're the one who initially made the claim that the pay disparity is due to sexism. I would say that means you should be the one to offer proof before asking me for proof. That's a stupid question because women drawn in less revenue due to less people caring about their sports. Maybe I can look up Rhonda Rousey numbers compared to others, but idc enough. Are you seriously going to try to deny that more popular athletes get paid more? As if Reebok is gonna go "Well this female athlete draws a way bigger crowd than this male athlete and will give our brand more exposure, but she's a goddamn woman, so we'll sponsor the man instead!"? Are there any money in those fields, or are they filled with interns? I already provided support, could give more, but what the point? Atlantic a good source. I'm talking about professionals in the fields. And your Atlantic article just seems to give a bunch of individual, personal examples of shitty treatment. The only solid statistical figure it gives is that women are more likely to stay home with kids than men are. And again you're gonna have to explain why women aren't being harassed out of statistics if STEM is so full of piggish men. Professors can't auto fail their students. And can you show me your numbers? I had a source in mind when I wrote that, but while looking for it I found a way more interesting article, more relevant to this... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/study-finds-surprisingly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/?utm_term=.6f4aa7aad3a4 --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904394033] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Teddytalks posted...</cite> <quote>I don't have the time to save a bunch of rape stories, and I don't feel like looking up recent ones. My main case was that men are given exceptions for their s***ty behaviors. We can use Mayweather assaulting his wife and xxxtenactcion as examples. I could dig up more, like football players getting away with rape, and other sports teams. You can explain it away as symptoms of their position, but at that point we're disagreeing on cause and effect. I supported my side well enough.</quote> As I said in the very part of the post you quoted, we can find individual examples of bad judgments all day. I'm willing to bet I can find at least as many cases of women getting off scot-free for terrible shit as you could find of men, but I don't think that would ever convince you, would it? So why are you trying to play that game against me? <quote>Women are not going to watch something just because it has women. They're going to levitate towards what is more popular, has more exposure, sponsorships, attractions, etc. Women sports don't draw in enough money to do any of that. You can say it because of hits, (removed for post space) I am not sure you're point you're here is either, as there is valid explanations for the discrepancy.</quote> Dude, everyone can easily find out what time the WNBA game is. People don't require billboards to tell them what they want to watch. You can deny my arguments if you like, but at the end of the day your only response is "it's got to be sexism" even though you haven't explained how you can be so sure of that, or why that's more convincing than men's sports simply being more physically impressive. <quote>"Concrete", all you gave was your viewpoint, which doesn't mean a damn thing without data to back it up. At best, yours is as good as mine, and if you want to spend hours looking up data to support your point, go for it.</quote> What? It's just my viewpoint that athletes in less-popular sports get paid less than more popular sports, be they men's or women's leagues? You're the one who initially made the claim that the pay disparity is due to sexism. I would say that means you should be the one to offer proof before asking me for proof. <quote>That's a stupid question because women drawn in less revenue due to less people caring about their sports. Maybe I can look up Rhonda Rousey numbers compared to others, but idc enough.</quote> Are you seriously going to try to deny that more popular athletes get paid more? As if Reebok is gonna go "Well this female athlete draws a way bigger crowd than this male athlete and will give our brand more exposure, but she's a goddamn woman, so we'll sponsor the man instead!"? <quote>Are there any money in those fields, or are they filled with interns? I already provided support, could give more, but what the point? Atlantic a good source.</quote> I'm talking about professionals in the fields. And your Atlantic article just seems to give a bunch of individual, personal examples of shitty treatment. The only solid statistical figure it gives is that women are more likely to stay home with kids than men are. And again you're gonna have to explain why women aren't being harassed out of statistics if STEM is so full of piggish men. <quote>Professors can't auto fail their students. And can you show me your numbers?</quote> I had a source in mind when I wrote that, but while looking for it I found a way more interesting article, more relevant to this... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/study-finds-surprisingly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/?utm_term=.6f4aa7aad3a4</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tedtalker 07/02/18 10:57:38 PM #217:	Sephiroth1288 posted... JohnLennonTrump posted... 200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections? Nope. Teddy has tried his damndest, but none of the examples he gave could even charitably be called "rights". That because the core of your topic is flawed. In the letter of law, women has the same rights as men, and even a few advantages. In practice, I have people who get drunk, laid out on my fucking floor at college, and then scream about how women love to be raped, and these assholes go around in society and are largely ignored until they fuck up or put on blast. What goes on in society isn't what matches what is written, and when you explain away all differences as being anything other than sexism, then how can you be wrong? You didn't make this topic to have a discussion, or at least, it isn't structured for that. It is to put down users opinions who you do not agree with, and if you feel otherwise, try doing more to shutup the trolls itt and I will be convinced. <cite>Tedtalker posted [p:904394186] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennonTrump posted...</cite> <quote>200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections?</quote> Nope. Teddy has tried his damndest, but none of the examples he gave could even charitably be called "rights".</quote> That because the core of your topic is flawed. In the letter of law, women has the same rights as men, and even a few advantages. In practice, I have people who get drunk, laid out on my fucking floor at college, and then scream about how women love to be raped, and these assholes go around in society and are largely ignored until they fuck up or put on blast. What goes on in society isn't what matches what is written, and when you explain away all differences as being anything other than sexism, then how can you be wrong? You didn't make this topic to have a discussion, or at least, it isn't structured for that. It is to put down users opinions who you do not agree with, and if you feel otherwise, try doing more to shutup the trolls itt and I will be convinced.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tedtalker 07/02/18 11:17:18 PM #218:	Sephiroth1288 posted... As I said in the very part of the post you quoted, we can find individual examples of bad judgments all day. I'm willing to bet I can find at least as many cases of women getting off scot-free for terrible shit as you could find of men, but I don't think that would ever convince you, would it? So why are you trying to play that game against me? I can ask you the same. Any attempt to highlight sexism and you handwave it. It seems like there is nothing to convince you on the matter. You can deny my arguments if you like, but at the end of the day your only response is "it's got to be sexism" even though you haven't explained how you can be so sure of that, or why that's more convincing than men's sports simply being more physically impressive. you failed to do the same here. At this point, the topic is going to end in "agree to disagree" as you haven't said anything definite. Although, you're going to tell users everything else though. What? It's just my viewpoint that athletes in less-popular sports get paid less than more popular sports, be they men's or women's leagues? You're the one who initially made the claim that the pay disparity is due to sexism. I would say that means you should be the one to offer proof before asking me for proof. Ok. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/03/what-gender-inequality-looks-like-in-collegiate-sports/387985/ https://nypost.com/2017/09/13/study-claims-hidden-sexism-makes-womens-sports-seem-dull/ Ball in your court now. That's a stupid question because women drawn in less revenue due to less people caring about their sports. Maybe I can look up Rhonda Rousey numbers compared to others, but idc enough. Are you seriously going to try to deny that more popular athletes get paid more? As if Reebok is gonna go "Well this female athlete draws a way bigger crowd than this male athlete and will give our brand more exposure, but she's a goddamn woman, so we'll sponsor the man instead!"? The root of that popularity could very well be based in the fact that it isn't a women in the first place, as women sports are perceived to be more boring, and thus aren't given a fair chance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2013/08/20/did-you-not-get-that-promotion-because-youre-a-woman/?utm_term=.696fe121b17b We know this definitely happens for race. Not a stretch to think gender applies to. I'm talking about professionals in the fields. And your Atlantic article just seems to give a bunch of individual, personal examples of shitty treatment. The only solid statistical figure it gives is that women are more likely to stay home with kids than men are. And again you're gonna have to explain why women aren't being harassed out of statistics if STEM is so full of piggish men. Because that their goddamn major and they're in debt? Anyway, https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/sexual-harassment-academia-engineering-medicine-nasem-health-1.4728855 https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Women%20in%20STEM%20fields https://www.seeker.com/culture/women-report-high-levels-of-gender-discrimination-in-stem-fields Is there nothing on this earth to convince you, or is everything an isolated incident? I had a source in mind when I wrote that, but while looking for it I found a way more interesting article, more relevant to this... Next post. <cite>Tedtalker posted [p:904395317] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote> As I said in the very part of the post you quoted, we can find individual examples of bad judgments all day. I'm willing to bet I can find at least as many cases of women getting off scot-free for terrible shit as you could find of men, but I don't think that would ever convince you, would it? So why are you trying to play that game against me? </quote> I can ask you the same. Any attempt to highlight sexism and you handwave it. It seems like there is nothing to convince you on the matter. <quote>You can deny my arguments if you like, but at the end of the day your only response is "it's got to be sexism" even though you haven't explained how you can be so sure of that, or why that's more convincing than men's sports simply being more physically impressive.</quote> you failed to do the same here. At this point, the topic is going to end in "agree to disagree" as you haven't said anything definite. Although, you're going to tell users everything else though. <quote>What? It's just my viewpoint that athletes in less-popular sports get paid less than more popular sports, be they men's or women's leagues? You're the one who initially made the claim that the pay disparity is due to sexism. I would say that means you should be the one to offer proof before asking me for proof.</quote> Ok. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/03/what-gender-inequality-looks-like-in-collegiate-sports/387985/ https://nypost.com/2017/09/13/study-claims-hidden-sexism-makes-womens-sports-seem-dull/ Ball in your court now. <quote>That's a stupid question because women drawn in less revenue due to less people caring about their sports. Maybe I can look up Rhonda Rousey numbers compared to others, but idc enough.</quote> <quote>Are you seriously going to try to deny that more popular athletes get paid more? As if Reebok is gonna go "Well this female athlete draws a way bigger crowd than this male athlete and will give our brand more exposure, but she's a goddamn woman, so we'll sponsor the man instead!"?</quote> The root of that popularity could very well be based in the fact that it isn't a women in the first place, as women sports are perceived to be more boring, and thus aren't given a fair chance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2013/08/20/did-you-not-get-that-promotion-because-youre-a-woman/?utm_term=.696fe121b17b We know this definitely happens for race. Not a stretch to think gender applies to. <quote>I'm talking about professionals in the fields. And your Atlantic article just seems to give a bunch of individual, personal examples of shitty treatment. The only solid statistical figure it gives is that women are more likely to stay home with kids than men are. And again you're gonna have to explain why women aren't being harassed out of statistics if STEM is so full of piggish men.</quote> Because that their goddamn major and they're in debt? Anyway, https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/sexual-harassment-academia-engineering-medicine-nasem-health-1.4728855 https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Women%20in%20STEM%20fields https://www.seeker.com/culture/women-report-high-levels-of-gender-discrimination-in-stem-fields Is there nothing on this earth to convince you, or is everything an isolated incident? <quote>I had a source in mind when I wrote that, but while looking for it I found a way more interesting article, more relevant to this...</quote> Next post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tedtalker 07/02/18 11:18:07 PM #219:	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/study-finds-surprisingly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/?utm_term=.6f4aa7aad3a4 "Joan C. Williams (no relation to Wendy), a distinguished professor at the University of Californias Hastings College of Law and co-principal investigator for the Tools for Change project, which tries to level the playing field for women in STEM, told Inside Higher Ed that the Cornell study is seriously flawed in its conclusion that science is now a welcoming place for women. She argued that hiring has never really been the main source of discrimination against women. Joan Williams and others noted that the fictional female candidates in the Cornell study were exceptionally well-qualified, a factor that may have mitigated gender bias. A similar 2012 study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which looked at more moderately qualified graduate student candidates for a job in a lab, found that male applicants were much more likely to be hired, given better salaries and offered mentorship. I think its too soon to say, Okay, problem solved, Virginia Valian, who researches gender equity at New Yorks Hunter College, told Science Magazine. We havent solved the problem of underrepresentation of women in the sciences and I wouldnt want people to think that this paper demonstrates that we have solved it. Speaking to Reuters, Wendy Williams countered that criticism. Were not saying women do not face discrimination in academic science, she said. But these data speak to a real change. People seem to have internalized the value of gender diversity, and are consciously or unconsciously upgrading women candidates. Their data is vastly different from others, even from the same time period, and was contested as well. It is an interesting read, but one article needs to be supported by more to be a trend. Doesn't change my mind.... yet, but it is interesting. <cite>Tedtalker posted [p:904395360] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><quote>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/14/study-finds-surprisingly-that-women-are-favored-for-jobs-in-stem/?utm_term=.6f4aa7aad3a4</quote> "Joan C. Williams (no relation to Wendy), a distinguished professor at the University of Californias Hastings College of Law and co-principal investigator for the Tools for Change project, which tries to level the playing field for women in STEM, told Inside Higher Ed that the Cornell study is seriously flawed in its conclusion that science is now a welcoming place for women. She argued that hiring has never really been the main source of discrimination against women. Joan Williams and others noted that the fictional female candidates in the Cornell study were exceptionally well-qualified, a factor that may have mitigated gender bias. A similar 2012 study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which looked at more moderately qualified graduate student candidates for a job in a lab, found that male applicants were much more likely to be hired, given better salaries and offered mentorship. I think its too soon to say, Okay, problem solved, Virginia Valian, who researches gender equity at New Yorks Hunter College, told Science Magazine. We havent solved the problem of underrepresentation of women in the sciences and I wouldnt want people to think that this paper demonstrates that we have solved it. Speaking to Reuters, Wendy Williams countered that criticism. Were not saying women do not face discrimination in academic science, she said. But these data speak to a real change. People seem to have internalized the value of gender diversity, and are consciously or unconsciously upgrading women candidates. Their data is vastly different from others, even from the same time period, and was contested as well. It is an interesting read, but one article needs to be supported by more to be a trend. Doesn't change my mind.... yet, but it is interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jergensmeat 07/02/18 11:21:22 PM #220:	But wait notice how those are not white men??? And this is why intersectionality can suck my ass. What happened to keeping social issues seperate??? <cite>Jergensmeat posted [p:904395523] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>But wait notice how those are not white men??? And this is why intersectionality can suck my ass. What happened to keeping social issues seperate???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 11:22:35 PM #221:	Tedtalker posted... Apologies in advance for the different user, my phone died and I am having trouble with that password. Also for the slightly arrogant tone, I mistook you for a troll, as there are plenty of those on this board. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now on. No problem, there are a lot and I sometimes get into flame-mode too if I'm not careful The key difference is context. Who eats while watching porn? Some things are fine by themselves but when mixed with something else do not pair well. Why would i want to see t**** when I am in a building battle in fortnite? It is a distraction from what the key part of the game is, and would turn me off. Meanwhile in porn, it doesn't. I get that you personally find it off-putting to see sexualized people in video games. I don't get why you believe women care more about sexy women and muscular men in the context of a video game than men do. I can recall mine. None of it was contionous harasment because of my gender though. Still remember an a** on a skateboard sticking his tongue out as he passed a women.. while me and a female coworker watched. Well first off, I don't think being told that I would be hacked so they could find my house and assrape me could be made worse if they added "screw men" in there. If anything I would probably have found it funnier. Second, men and women are sexually assaulted at about the same rate. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html Tedtalker posted... It doesn't. If you want to be annoying technically, bring a chart of the number of assaults and men face, and then we compare it to the number of times women get assaulted, then factor it into the number of times women get harassed in the streets, sexually assaulted but don't report it, stalked, etc. Once we do all that, and we still find that men are let alone less than women, then we can say your point negate mine. Until then, not a chance. Well we do have those figures, and that's how we know men are more likely to be assaulted. Now "assault" is not simply physical aggression, it can also be public harassment or threats, whether they be sexual in nature or violent. So that would seem to encompass all your criteria Also, men are raped more often than women when you include prison figures http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html Die with dignity, or be someone else b... what one I choose... I think we know most would not find that an easy answer. I wouldn't call being murdered "dying with dignity" but you do you I guess --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904395574] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tedtalker posted...</cite> <quote>Apologies in advance for the different user, my phone died and I am having trouble with that password. Also for the slightly arrogant tone, I mistook you for a troll, as there are plenty of those on this board. I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now on.</quote> No problem, there are a lot and I sometimes get into flame-mode too if I'm not careful <quote>The key difference is context. Who eats while watching porn? Some things are fine by themselves but when mixed with something else do not pair well. Why would i want to see t** when I am in a building battle in fortnite? It is a distraction from what the key part of the game is, and would turn me off. Meanwhile in porn, it doesn't.</quote> I get that you personally find it off-putting to see sexualized people in video games. I don't get why you believe women care more about sexy women and muscular men in the context of a video game than men do. <quote>I can recall mine. None of it was contionous harasment because of my gender though. Still remember an a** on a skateboard sticking his tongue out as he passed a women.. while me and a female coworker watched.</quote> Well first off, I don't think being told that I would be hacked so they could find my house and assrape me could be made worse if they added "screw men" in there. If anything I would probably have found it funnier. Second, men and women are sexually assaulted at about the same rate. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/male_rape_in_america_a_new_study_reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html <cite>Tedtalker posted...</cite> <quote>It doesn't. If you want to be annoying technically, bring a chart of the number of assaults and men face, and then we compare it to the number of times women get assaulted, then factor it into the number of times women get harassed in the streets, sexually assaulted but don't report it, stalked, etc. Once we do all that, and we still find that men are let alone less than women, then we can say your point negate mine. Until then, not a chance.</quote> Well we do have those figures, and that's how we know men are more likely to be assaulted. Now "assault" is not simply physical aggression, it can also be public harassment or threats, whether they be sexual in nature or violent. So that would seem to encompass all your criteria Also, men are raped more often than women when you include prison figures http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html <quote>Die with dignity, or be someone else b**... what one I choose... I think we know most would not find that an easy answer.</quote> I wouldn't call being murdered "dying with dignity" but you do you I guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jergensmeat 07/02/18 11:40:59 PM #222:	Jergensmeat posted... But wait notice how those are not white men??? And this is why intersectionality can suck my ass. What happened to keeping social issues seperate??? <cite>Jergensmeat posted [p:904396407] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jergensmeat posted...</cite> <quote>But wait notice how those are not white men??? And this is why intersectionality can suck my ass. What happened to keeping social issues seperate???</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 07/02/18 11:44:10 PM #223:	JohnLennonTrump posted... 200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections? The question itself is a deflection of the issue at hand. --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:904396553] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>JohnLennonTrump posted...</cite> <quote>200 posts in, has anybody answered the question yet without deflections?</quote> The question itself is a deflection of the issue at hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthGravid 07/02/18 11:48:16 PM #224:	I have been in the workforce since 1993, and I have never seen a single example of a woman being paid less than a man for an identical job with identical responsibility. I have seen, however, women use their sexuality to have their workload reduced, receive promotions, and other favors. I have seen women make excuses to get out of work without any repercussion. At my last job, I was a dock manager at a furniture store. My job was to keep merchandise moving in or out, in an organized manner. The dock was hot (or freezing, depending on the season), dirty, and always busy. Some pieces weighed in excess of 500 lbs, and it was common to move over 100 pieces a day. One very cold day, a truck arrived from the warehouse carrying 120 pieces. This is an unusually heavy load, and I had 1 1/2 hours to clear it before the next loadout. The secretary came on to the dock, stood right in the center of my work area, complaining that her Christmas bonus was only $500. I got no bonus, even though we were hired at the same time for the same pay. Her days were spent buying things on Amazon, ignoring customers, and making my job difficult by delaying my paperwork. After about 10 minutes of her whining, I turned around and said to her "Some of us didn't get a bonus, so either start unloading this truck or get the hell off of my dock. Either way, shut the fuck up." I got written up. She got $500. Is that equality? Edit: The secretary also got the rest of that day and the next day off, both paid, because I "upset her so much that she just couldn't do her job". --- Torn between two minds. Is either correct? Perhaps together.....but how? Can it be done? <cite>DarthGravid posted [p:904396730] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>I have been in the workforce since 1993, and I have never seen a single example of a woman being paid less than a man for an identical job with identical responsibility. I have seen, however, women use their sexuality to have their workload reduced, receive promotions, and other favors. I have seen women make excuses to get out of work without any repercussion. At my last job, I was a dock manager at a furniture store. My job was to keep merchandise moving in or out, in an organized manner. The dock was hot (or freezing, depending on the season), dirty, and always busy. Some pieces weighed in excess of 500 lbs, and it was common to move over 100 pieces a day. One very cold day, a truck arrived from the warehouse carrying 120 pieces. This is an unusually heavy load, and I had 1 1/2 hours to clear it before the next loadout. The secretary came on to the dock, stood right in the center of my work area, complaining that her Christmas bonus was only $500. I got no bonus, even though we were hired at the same time for the same pay. Her days were spent buying things on Amazon, ignoring customers, and making my job difficult by delaying my paperwork. After about 10 minutes of her whining, I turned around and said to her "Some of us didn't get a bonus, so either start unloading this truck or get the hell off of my dock. Either way, shut the fuck up." I got written up. She got $500. Is that equality? Edit: The secretary also got the rest of that day and the next day off, both paid, because I "upset her so much that she just couldn't do her job".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tedtalker 07/02/18 11:49:11 PM #225:	And how nerds respond to cosplayers? https://mashable.com/2014/10/15/new-york-comic-con-harassment/#ib4Ad2A_3Gqz https://metro.co.uk/2015/07/09/is-sexual-harassment-ruining-comic-con-for-cosplayers-5286543/ https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/29/16709796/magic-the-gathering-cosplayer-harassment-youtube <cite>Tedtalker posted [p:904396774] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>And how nerds respond to cosplayers? https://mashable.com/2014/10/15/new-york-comic-con-harassment/#ib4Ad2A_3Gqz https://metro.co.uk/2015/07/09/is-sexual-harassment-ruining-comic-con-for-cosplayers-5286543/ https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/29/16709796/magic-the-gathering-cosplayer-harassment-youtube</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 11:50:52 PM #226:	Tedtalker posted... I can ask you the same. Any attempt to highlight sexism and you handwave it. It seems like there is nothing to convince you on the matter. If you gave me a study rather than a handful of individual examples you'd convince me, I promise. Tedtalker posted... you failed to do the same here. At this point, the topic is going to end in "agree to disagree" as you haven't said anything definite. Although, you're going to tell users everything else though. I don't believe that disparity = bigotry. I don't believe that women are brainwashed by marketing into liking mens sports more than women's sports. I'm rather positive that people enjoy watching sports that display incredible athleticism, and watching people play a game below the level of a high schooler's ability just isn't going to be popular no matter what gender the players are http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/news/matiladas-australia-womens-national-team- (remove space) loses-boys-teenagers-jets-newcastle-rio-olympics-uswnt/dw1ov2sxatlz1bl51npzuuyi9 But your conclusion is sexism because it can be no other way. Tedtalker posted... Ok. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/03/what-gender-inequality-looks-like-in-collegiate-sports/387985/ https://nypost.com/2017/09/13/study-claims-hidden-sexism-makes-womens-sports-seem-dull/ Ball in your court now. The Atlantic article just seems to be reiterating the fact that female players make less on average than male players. It has a way more nuanced view of the situation than you seem to, and I'll highlight a part that basically confirms my argument: This income gap is far more nuanced that it seems; and despite how it may appear, it isn't inherently sexist. Men's college sports are far more profitable than women's sports are, and a federal lawthe Equal Pay Act of 1963stipulates that the salaries of men and women must be equally tied to the profit their respective programs bring in. The NY Post article basically blames low ticket sales of women's sports to bored-sounding commentators, which sounds more like a marketing issue than actual sexism. But how do you measure excitement? How is it that you blame it on less attention on ESPN when ESPN obviously gives precedence to more popular sports? Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Women's sports doesn't get airtime because no one watches it and no one watches it because it doesn't get airtime? Rather circular logic. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904396866] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tedtalker posted...</cite> <quote>I can ask you the same. Any attempt to highlight sexism and you handwave it. It seems like there is nothing to convince you on the matter.</quote> If you gave me a study rather than a handful of individual examples you'd convince me, I promise. <cite>Tedtalker posted...</cite> <quote>you failed to do the same here. At this point, the topic is going to end in "agree to disagree" as you haven't said anything definite. Although, you're going to tell users everything else though.</quote> I don't believe that disparity = bigotry. I don't believe that women are brainwashed by marketing into liking mens sports more than women's sports. I'm rather positive that people enjoy watching sports that display incredible athleticism, and watching people play a game below the level of a high schooler's ability just isn't going to be popular no matter what gender the players are http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/news/matiladas-australia-womens-national-team- (remove space) loses-boys-teenagers-jets-newcastle-rio-olympics-uswnt/dw1ov2sxatlz1bl51npzuuyi9 But your conclusion is sexism because it can be no other way. <cite>Tedtalker posted...</cite> <quote>Ok. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/03/what-gender-inequality-looks-like-in-collegiate-sports/387985/ https://nypost.com/2017/09/13/study-claims-hidden-sexism-makes-womens-sports-seem-dull/ Ball in your court now.</quote> The Atlantic article just seems to be reiterating the fact that female players make less on average than male players. It has a way more nuanced view of the situation than you seem to, and I'll highlight a part that basically confirms my argument: This income gap is far more nuanced that it seems; and despite how it may appear, it isn't inherently sexist. Men's college sports are far more profitable than women's sports are, and a federal lawthe Equal Pay Act of 1963stipulates that the salaries of men and women must be equally tied to the profit their respective programs bring in. The NY Post article basically blames low ticket sales of women's sports to bored-sounding commentators, which sounds more like a marketing issue than actual sexism. But how do you measure excitement? How is it that you blame it on less attention on ESPN when ESPN obviously gives precedence to more popular sports? Isn't this putting the cart before the horse? Women's sports doesn't get airtime because no one watches it and no one watches it because it doesn't get airtime? Rather circular logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 11:50:56 PM #227:	The root of that popularity could very well be based in the fact that it isn't a women in the first place, as women sports are perceived to be more boring, and thus aren't given a fair chance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2013/08/20/did-you-not-get-that-promotion-because-youre-a-woman/?utm_term=.696fe121b17b The answer couldn't just be that most people just find slower running and weaker throws boring. No, the reason has to be sexism. I can't see the WaPo article because it wants me to subscribe before I read anything Because that their goddamn major and they're in debt? Anyway, https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/sexual-harassment-academia-engineering-medicine-nasem-health-1.4728855 https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Women%20in%20STEM%20fields https://www.seeker.com/culture/women-report-high-levels-of-gender-discrimination-in-stem-fields Is there nothing on this earth to convince you, or is everything an isolated incident? I hope you're not trying to suggest that only women are subject to student loan debt. Anyway, As for the CBC article, I've gone over how men are sexually assaulted at a comparable rate to women. On the revolvy article, again, I think you're mistaking a disparity with bigotry. As I said before, men are psychologically attracted to things while women are attracted to people. This could explain why men are more willing to look through microscopes in a joyless gray lab for several hours a day. The Seeker article though...that's a piece of work. It's a stealth hit piece on James Demore, and they claim he said that women were biologically inferior to men when it comes to engineering, which is not what he said at all. Read his memo, you won't find such a statement anywhere. It's blatantly lying to you. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904396868] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><quote>The root of that popularity could very well be based in the fact that it isn't a women in the first place, as women sports are perceived to be more boring, and thus aren't given a fair chance. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2013/08/20/did-you-not-get-that-promotion-because-youre-a-woman/?utm_term=.696fe121b17b</quote> The answer couldn't just be that most people just find slower running and weaker throws boring. No, the reason has to be sexism. I can't see the WaPo article because it wants me to subscribe before I read anything <quote>Because that their goddamn major and they're in debt? Anyway, https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/sexual-harassment-academia-engineering-medicine-nasem-health-1.4728855 https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Women%20in%20STEM%20fields https://www.seeker.com/culture/women-report-high-levels-of-gender-discrimination-in-stem-fields Is there nothing on this earth to convince you, or is everything an isolated incident?</quote> I hope you're not trying to suggest that only women are subject to student loan debt. Anyway, As for the CBC article, I've gone over how men are sexually assaulted at a comparable rate to women. On the revolvy article, again, I think you're mistaking a disparity with bigotry. As I said before, men are psychologically attracted to things while women are attracted to people. This could explain why men are more willing to look through microscopes in a joyless gray lab for several hours a day. The Seeker article though...that's a piece of work. It's a stealth hit piece on James Demore, and they claim he said that women were biologically inferior to men when it comes to engineering, which is not what he said at all. Read his memo, you won't find such a statement anywhere. It's blatantly lying to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 07/03/18 12:30:38 AM #228:	Lol now he arguing that sports played by the smaller, shorter, weaker, slower, less coordinated, more frail sex is not popular because of sexism. Not because it's a bad entertainment product. I can't believe I just read an article saying the media isnt faking excitement enough because they're sexist. The best womens soccer team in the world the USA world cup winning team, lost to the USA under age 16 boys team a few years ago. Let me rephrase: the best female team in the world lost to male children! In Olympic track and field events you will often find that the womens gold medal time would not qualify to even enter the men's events. My 29 year old fiance who hits the gym weight training 4 times a week for the last 6 years is weaker then most 12-13 year old boys in upper body strength. She just got her max bench press to 85 lbs, I can press 315 lbs for reference on the same routine and diet as her. Get this through your gynocentric skull. Women. Are. Weak. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:904398466] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Lol now he arguing that sports played by the smaller, shorter, weaker, slower, less coordinated, more frail sex is not popular because of sexism. Not because it's a bad entertainment product. I can't believe I just read an article saying the media isnt faking excitement enough because they're sexist. The best womens soccer team in the world the USA world cup winning team, lost to the USA under age 16 boys team a few years ago. Let me rephrase: the best female team in the world lost to male children! In Olympic track and field events you will often find that the womens gold medal time would not qualify to even enter the men's events. My 29 year old fiance who hits the gym weight training 4 times a week for the last 6 years is weaker then most 12-13 year old boys in upper body strength. She just got her max bench press to 85 lbs, I can press 315 lbs for reference on the same routine and diet as her. Get this through your gynocentric skull. Women. Are. Weak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 07/03/18 12:54:26 AM #229:	Jeez guy calm down --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:904399402] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Jeez guy calm down</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Bungle- 07/03/18 12:55:53 AM #230:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Pitlord_Special posted... Get paid 25% more than women And money is the source of all rights in America #closethegap That is a myth. It doesn't actually happen. If that was the case companies would hire just women. Owned. --- Assume the person you are listening to might know something you need to know. Listen hard enough, so they may share it with you. Jordan Peterson <cite>-Bungle- posted [p:904399448] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pitlord_Special posted...</cite> <quote>Get paid 25% more than women And money is the source of all rights in America #closethegap</quote> That is a myth. It doesn't actually happen. If that was the case companies would hire just women.</quote> Owned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
desuno-to 07/03/18 2:57:51 AM #231:	Omega Hunter posted... The best womens soccer team in the world the USA world cup winning team, lost to the USA under age 16 boys team a few years ago. If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. Otherwise you come across as a delusional crazy misogynist <cite>desuno-to posted [p:904403078] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>The best womens soccer team in the world the USA world cup winning team, lost to the USA under age 16 boys team a few years ago.</quote> If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. Otherwise you come across as a delusional crazy misogynist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 3:05:27 AM #232:	desuno-to posted... If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. I already did in post 226 --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904403229] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>desuno-to posted...</cite> <quote>If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. </quote> I already did in post 226</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
samurai bandit 07/03/18 3:17:56 AM #233:	FortuneCookie posted... The right to pee while standing up. You clearly havent looked deep enough if you think women can't do it --- Go and watch Ef ~ A tale of memories now! <cite>samurai bandit posted [p:904403488] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>FortuneCookie posted...</cite> <quote>The right to pee while standing up.</quote> You clearly havent looked deep enough if you think women can't do it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orochi_ 07/03/18 3:21:44 AM #234:	I work in a warehouse where men and women make the same amount of money, except men do that heavy lifting and women stand around being eye candy. That's fair? --- :p <cite>Orochi_ posted [p:904403575] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>I work in a warehouse where men and women make the same amount of money, except men do that heavy lifting and women stand around being eye candy. That's fair?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 07/03/18 3:27:11 AM #235:	desuno-to posted... Omega Hunter posted... The best womens soccer team in the world the USA world cup winning team, lost to the USA under age 16 boys team a few years ago. If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. Otherwise you come across as a delusional crazy misogynist No, he is actually spot on with that claim. Olympic level women's teams are only around the level of early highschool age boys teams and would typically lose. https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ For example. Testosterone is a hell of a drug, dude. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac/wishlist/ <cite>Esrac posted [p:904403698] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>desuno-to posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>The best womens soccer team in the world the USA world cup winning team, lost to the USA under age 16 boys team a few years ago.</quote> If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. Otherwise you come across as a delusional crazy misogynist</quote> No, he is actually spot on with that claim. Olympic level women's teams are only around the level of early highschool age boys teams and would typically lose. https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-boys-squad-beat-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/ For example. Testosterone is a hell of a drug, dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 07/03/18 6:23:52 AM #236:	desuno-to posted... If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. Otherwise you come across as a delusional crazy misogynist See other posts with links. I actually thought it was under 16...it was actually under 15. Literal 14 year olds hahahahahaha. A team of 14 year old boys against the best mens soccer team in the world would lose 15-0. Again people dont watch womens sports because get this. Women are bad at sports. I know I just blew up your whole world. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:904407248] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>desuno-to posted...</cite> <quote>If you're going to make a claim like that, make sure you post a link to a credible source. Otherwise you come across as a delusional crazy misogynist</quote> See other posts with links. I actually thought it was under 16...it was actually under 15. Literal 14 year olds hahahahahaha. A team of 14 year old boys against the best mens soccer team in the world would lose 15-0. Again people dont watch womens sports because get this. Women are bad at sports. I know I just blew up your whole world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/03/18 11:16:16 AM #237:	lmao, women owned --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904416450] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>lmao, women owned</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/03/18 11:16:52 AM #238:	that'll teach em to not have sex with me --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904416471] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>that'll teach em to not have sex with me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 11:50:21 AM #239:	mario2000 posted... that'll teach em to not have sex with me You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904418275] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>that'll teach em to not have sex with me</quote> You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 07/03/18 11:53:05 AM #240:	I thought there was more than two genders? --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:904418414] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>I thought there was more than two genders?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/03/18 12:02:05 PM #241:	Sephiroth1288 posted... mario2000 posted... that'll teach em to not have sex with me You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection. no i fuck --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904418971] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>that'll teach em to not have sex with me</quote> You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection.</quote> no i fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HiddenLurker 07/03/18 12:03:32 PM #242:	Men have the right to... ...harsher prison sentences. ...being ignored in child custody/domestic abuses cases. ...being expected to do harder or more physical labor. --- [Insert tired meme here] <cite>HiddenLurker posted [p:904419046] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Men have the right to... ...harsher prison sentences. ...being ignored in child custody/domestic abuses cases. ...being expected to do harder or more physical labor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/03/18 12:22:14 PM #243:	mario2000 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... mario2000 posted... that'll teach em to not have sex with me You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection. no i fuck Sure you do. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904419973] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>that'll teach em to not have sex with me</quote> You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection.</quote> no i fuck</quote> Sure you do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shanefu22 07/03/18 12:24:49 PM #244:	Complaining about women's rights... Basically the least manly thing you can do. Just fuckin man up and live your life. --- Bench- 550 Squat-665 Dead- 825 <cite>shanefu22 posted [p:904420113] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Complaining about women's rights... Basically the least manly thing you can do. Just fuckin man up and live your life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/03/18 12:41:26 PM #245:	Sephiroth1288 posted... mario2000 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... mario2000 posted... that'll teach em to not have sex with me You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection. no i fuck Sure you do. glad that's settled --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:904420963] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>that'll teach em to not have sex with me</quote> You bring up sexual impotence way too often for it to not be some form of projection.</quote> no i fuck</quote> Sure you do.</quote> glad that's settled</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 07/04/18 8:23:33 AM #246:	I'll admit this thread hits close at home for me I got fired from my last job for sexual harassment. All of her accusations were different from what actually happened and no real proof was provided. It was my word against hers, but because she's a woman I was fired. I take responsibility for trying to become friends with coworkers, I should have kept to myself and never said a word to anyone. --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:904470711] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>I'll admit this thread hits close at home for me I got fired from my last job for sexual harassment. All of her accusations were different from what actually happened and no real proof was provided. It was my word against hers, but because she's a woman I was fired. I take responsibility for trying to become friends with coworkers, I should have kept to myself and never said a word to anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 07/04/18 8:34:36 AM #247:	P --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:904470984] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>P</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/04/18 8:43:34 AM #248:	mario2000 posted... get this redpill shit off of here --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904471229] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>get this redpill shit off of here</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 07/04/18 8:46:47 AM #249:	the same people asking for literal laws showing discrimination against minorites are citing social examples for how men are truly the oppressed gender in America lmfao --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:904471335] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>the same people asking for literal laws showing discrimination against minorites are citing social examples for how men are truly the oppressed gender in America lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/04/18 10:23:41 AM #250:	FrisbeeDude posted... the same people asking for literal laws showing discrimination against minorites are citing social examples for how men are truly the oppressed gender in America lmfao I don't think men are oppressed though The point is that disparity doesn't equal oppression, unless you can point to some causal factor that targets a specific group and creates hardships. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:904474653] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>the same people asking for literal laws showing discrimination against minorites are citing social examples for how men are truly the oppressed gender in America lmfao</quote> I don't think men are oppressed though The point is that disparity doesn't equal oppression, unless you can point to some causal factor that targets a specific group and creates hardships.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 07/04/18 11:08:20 AM #251:	Higher suicide rates is a privilege --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:904476491] in In the US,... [t:76770974]...</cite> <quote>Higher suicide rates is a privilege</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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