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YOUHAVENOHOPE 07/03/18 1:12:17 PM #52:	You know you have a real job when CE will fellate your peers out of some misplaced sense of respect --- https://imgur.com/kpXTakw https://imgur.com/Pto3yPa http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:904422373] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>You know you have a real job when CE will fellate your peers out of some misplaced sense of respect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/03/18 2:03:11 PM #53:	LinksLiege posted... "Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life." Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it? --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:904425006] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinksLiege posted...</cite> <quote>"Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life."</quote> Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpinKirby 07/03/18 2:06:06 PM #54:	1337toothbrush posted... LinksLiege posted... "Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life." Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it? Why is having a job your benefit to society? You could donate or volunteer your time. --- MHW Supplemental Discord: https://discord.gg/ChHjtYQ https://imgur.com/QL6WJAl https://imgur.com/lGlcDyU <cite>SpinKirby posted [p:904425156] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinksLiege posted...</cite> <quote>"Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life."</quote> Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it?</quote> Why is having a job your benefit to society? You could donate or volunteer your time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 07/03/18 2:06:49 PM #55:	Kaliesto posted... "Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life." --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:904425190] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaliesto posted...</cite> <quote>"Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/03/18 2:13:19 PM #56:	SpinKirby posted... 1337toothbrush posted... LinksLiege posted... "Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life." Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it? Why is having a job your benefit to society? You could donate or volunteer your time. The whole point of economics is to keep track of debts to others. If everyone is jerking themselves off on youtube, what's the fucking point? Can we at least get some hint of benefit to others if we're going to hang onto the concept of jobs? We'd all be able to volunteer more time if we weren't tied down to some stupid job. If the common job devolves to this nonsense, there is no point in having the concept of a job in the first place. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:904425520] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>SpinKirby posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinksLiege posted...</cite> <quote>"Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life."</quote> Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it?</quote> Why is having a job your benefit to society? You could donate or volunteer your time.</quote> The whole point of economics is to keep track of debts to others. If everyone is jerking themselves off on youtube, what's the fucking point? Can we at least get some hint of benefit to others if we're going to hang onto the concept of jobs? We'd all be able to volunteer more time if we weren't tied down to some stupid job. If the common job devolves to this nonsense, there is no point in having the concept of a job in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 07/03/18 2:27:42 PM #57:	1337toothbrush posted... SpinKirby posted... 1337toothbrush posted... LinksLiege posted... "Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life." Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it? Why is having a job your benefit to society? You could donate or volunteer your time. The whole point of economics is to keep track of debts to others. If everyone is jerking themselves off on youtube, what's the fucking point? Can we at least get some hint of benefit to others if we're going to hang onto the concept of jobs? We'd all be able to volunteer more time if we weren't tied down to some stupid job. If the common job devolves to this nonsense, there is no point in having the concept of a job in the first place. You have far too narrow of a view on this. At the very minimum those Youtube streamers are initially providing entertainment to some people. Entertainment is important. Entertainment helps people relax, provides them joy, and gives people things to bond over. A world without entertainment wouldn't really be a deary and terrible experience. You might not find a streamer to be entertaining (frankly, I don't either), but some people do. And if watching a streamer helps makes someone else's day more tolerable, then they have contributed something. Then there is the back end of it. There is a system in place that streaming supports. Twitch/Youtube/whatever, needs support in both hardware and in management. The revenue these streamers bring help fund the company so that these companies can buy new hardware (which supports other industries and "real" jobs) and helps pay their management staff (again these would be "real" jobs). they also need to buy products from SG&A companies. They'll need to pay rent on facilities. All of these help make sure people in "real" jobs get paid and in turn can buy their own wants and needs. Entertainment is a huge multi-billion dollar industry. Most of that money is ultimately not going to the entertainers but the people with "real" jobs that support them. No entertainers and you lose all those real jobs. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl <cite>Gheb posted [p:904426312] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpinKirby posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinksLiege posted...</cite> <quote>"Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life."</quote> Probably because there's no point to having the concept of "jobs" when they've devolved to simply becoming "getting eyeballs". Why still have jobs at that point when your "benefit to society" is the dubious "entertainment" label which is in oversupply since any idiot can do it?</quote> Why is having a job your benefit to society? You could donate or volunteer your time.</quote> The whole point of economics is to keep track of debts to others. If everyone is jerking themselves off on youtube, what's the fucking point? Can we at least get some hint of benefit to others if we're going to hang onto the concept of jobs? We'd all be able to volunteer more time if we weren't tied down to some stupid job. If the common job devolves to this nonsense, there is no point in having the concept of a job in the first place.</quote> You have far too narrow of a view on this. At the very minimum those Youtube streamers are initially providing entertainment to some people. Entertainment is important. Entertainment helps people relax, provides them joy, and gives people things to bond over. A world without entertainment wouldn't really be a deary and terrible experience. You might not find a streamer to be entertaining (frankly, I don't either), but some people do. And if watching a streamer helps makes someone else's day more tolerable, then they have contributed something. Then there is the back end of it. There is a system in place that streaming supports. Twitch/Youtube/whatever, needs support in both hardware and in management. The revenue these streamers bring help fund the company so that these companies can buy new hardware (which supports other industries and "real" jobs) and helps pay their management staff (again these would be "real" jobs). they also need to buy products from SG&A companies. They'll need to pay rent on facilities. All of these help make sure people in "real" jobs get paid and in turn can buy their own wants and needs. Entertainment is a huge multi-billion dollar industry. Most of that money is ultimately not going to the entertainers but the people with "real" jobs that support them. No entertainers and you lose all those real jobs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 07/03/18 2:28:18 PM #58:	much of the problem lies in differentiating "work" from "having a job" plenty of fun, entertaining stuff requires a lot of work (and personal expense, unless you can get sponsored), but that doesn't necessarily make it a job per se a job is typically something you do out of obligation or need, and usually isn't enjoyable --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:904426343] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>much of the problem lies in differentiating "work" from "having a job" plenty of fun, entertaining stuff requires a lot of work (and personal expense, unless you can get sponsored), but that doesn't necessarily make it a job per se a job is typically something you do out of obligation or need, and usually isn't enjoyable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 07/03/18 2:29:48 PM #59:	LinksLiege posted... "Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life." --- These pretzels are making me thirsty! <cite>rexcrk posted [p:904426421] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinksLiege posted...</cite> <quote>"Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/03/18 3:25:23 PM #60:	Gheb posted... 1337toothbrush posted... The whole point of economics is to keep track of debts to others. If everyone is jerking themselves off on youtube, what's the fucking point? Can we at least get some hint of benefit to others if we're going to hang onto the concept of jobs? We'd all be able to volunteer more time if we weren't tied down to some stupid job. If the common job devolves to this nonsense, there is no point in having the concept of a job in the first place. You have far too narrow of a view on this. At the very minimum those Youtube streamers are initially providing entertainment to some people. Entertainment is important. Entertainment helps people relax, provides them joy, and gives people things to bond over. A world without entertainment wouldn't really be a deary and terrible experience. You might not find a streamer to be entertaining (frankly, I don't either), but some people do. And if watching a streamer helps makes someone else's day more tolerable, then they have contributed something. Then there is the back end of it. There is a system in place that streaming supports. Twitch/Youtube/whatever, needs support in both hardware and in management. The revenue these streamers bring help fund the company so that these companies can buy new hardware (which supports other industries and "real" jobs) and helps pay their management staff (again these would be "real" jobs). they also need to buy products from SG&A companies. They'll need to pay rent on facilities. All of these help make sure people in "real" jobs get paid and in turn can buy their own wants and needs. Entertainment is a huge multi-billion dollar industry. Most of that money is ultimately not going to the entertainers but the people with "real" jobs that support them. No entertainers and you lose all those real jobs. Oh look, the all-too-common "entertainment" argument I pointed out earlier. Entertainment is worth shit. You cannot pretend this follows a logical economics model and then ignore the massive oversupply of entertainment. Anything can be entertainment. You can entertain yourself with your own body. There is already enough content created to last billions of lifetimes multiple times over. Without food you die and yet that is very cheap. Now imagine if you could infinitely copy food over the internet. Technology is cheap and always getting cheaper. Bandwidth is worth next to nothing. People were uploading videos to youtube before "youtube stars" became a thing. Plenty of people upload things now without making a cent or barely making anything. The "value" of these attention whores is completely predicated on the advertisers thinking the "eyeballs" they bring are worth something. This is a fickle system, which is why mere algorithm changes can destroy a "youtube star's" "career" (hence the countless videos of them crying about "muh livelihood"). It's all bullshit built on a shaky foundation and I'll be very interested in seeing what happens to the system when the general economy is in a downturn. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:904429748] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gheb posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>The whole point of economics is to keep track of debts to others. If everyone is jerking themselves off on youtube, what's the fucking point? Can we at least get some hint of benefit to others if we're going to hang onto the concept of jobs? We'd all be able to volunteer more time if we weren't tied down to some stupid job. If the common job devolves to this nonsense, there is no point in having the concept of a job in the first place.</quote> You have far too narrow of a view on this. At the very minimum those Youtube streamers are initially providing entertainment to some people. Entertainment is important. Entertainment helps people relax, provides them joy, and gives people things to bond over. A world without entertainment wouldn't really be a deary and terrible experience. You might not find a streamer to be entertaining (frankly, I don't either), but some people do. And if watching a streamer helps makes someone else's day more tolerable, then they have contributed something. Then there is the back end of it. There is a system in place that streaming supports. Twitch/Youtube/whatever, needs support in both hardware and in management. The revenue these streamers bring help fund the company so that these companies can buy new hardware (which supports other industries and "real" jobs) and helps pay their management staff (again these would be "real" jobs). they also need to buy products from SG&A companies. They'll need to pay rent on facilities. All of these help make sure people in "real" jobs get paid and in turn can buy their own wants and needs. Entertainment is a huge multi-billion dollar industry. Most of that money is ultimately not going to the entertainers but the people with "real" jobs that support them. No entertainers and you lose all those real jobs.</quote> Oh look, the all-too-common "entertainment" argument I pointed out earlier. Entertainment is worth shit. You cannot pretend this follows a logical economics model and then ignore the massive oversupply of entertainment. Anything can be entertainment. You can entertain yourself with your own body. There is already enough content created to last billions of lifetimes multiple times over. Without food you die and yet that is very cheap. Now imagine if you could infinitely copy food over the internet. Technology is cheap and always getting cheaper. Bandwidth is worth next to nothing. People were uploading videos to youtube before "youtube stars" became a thing. Plenty of people upload things now without making a cent or barely making anything. The "value" of these attention whores is completely predicated on the advertisers thinking the "eyeballs" they bring are worth something. This is a fickle system, which is why mere algorithm changes can destroy a "youtube star's" "career" (hence the countless videos of them crying about "muh livelihood"). It's all bullshit built on a shaky foundation and I'll be very interested in seeing what happens to the system when the general economy is in a downturn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 07/04/18 8:50:09 AM #61:	You literally didn't argue a single point I made. You just said that entertainment doesn't follow logical economic model without any real backing. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl <cite>Gheb posted [p:904471447] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>You literally didn't argue a single point I made. You just said that entertainment doesn't follow logical economic model without any real backing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/04/18 8:58:40 AM #62:	Gheb posted... You literally didn't argue a single point I made. You just said that entertainment doesn't follow logical economic model without any real backing. Sorry you don't understand the basics of supply and demand. You say they provide entertainment and then go on about important entertainment is. Entertainment is more plentiful than dirt. If all of youtube went away it wouldn't matter because there are a trillion alternatives. They're not getting paid for providing entertainment anyway. They mostly get paid for bringing "eyeballs". --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:904471719] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gheb posted...</cite> <quote>You literally didn't argue a single point I made. You just said that entertainment doesn't follow logical economic model without any real backing.</quote> Sorry you don't understand the basics of supply and demand. You say they provide entertainment and then go on about important entertainment is. Entertainment is more plentiful than dirt. If all of youtube went away it wouldn't matter because there are a trillion alternatives. They're not getting paid for providing entertainment anyway. They mostly get paid for bringing "eyeballs".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/04/18 9:01:03 AM #63:	1337toothbrush posted... Entertainment is worth shit Tell that to all the people making money off of it --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:904471794] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Entertainment is worth shit</quote> Tell that to all the people making money off of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/04/18 9:02:38 AM #64:	Antifar posted... 1337toothbrush posted... Entertainment is worth shit Tell that to all the people making money off of it Hence it not following basic supply and demand. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:904471836] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Entertainment is worth shit</quote> Tell that to all the people making money off of it</quote> Hence it not following basic supply and demand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/04/18 9:05:30 AM #65:	Since when do econ 101 graphs define what counts as a job? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:904471929] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>Since when do econ 101 graphs define what counts as a job?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 07/04/18 9:33:29 AM #66:	1337toothbrush posted... Gheb posted... You literally didn't argue a single point I made. You just said that entertainment doesn't follow logical economic model without any real backing. Sorry you don't understand the basics of supply and demand. You say they provide entertainment and then go on about important entertainment is. Entertainment is more plentiful than dirt. If all of youtube went away it wouldn't matter because there are a trillion alternatives. I don't think you understand supply and demand. If people were content with the supply on hand, there wouldn't be any demand. The very fact that people keep watching new movies, tv shows, streams, etc. literally means there is a demand for it. If there wasn't, people wouldn't spend money or time on it. They're not getting paid for providing entertainment anyway. They mostly get paid for bringing "eyeballs". By that logic, TV isn't entertainment. Since the networks are only making money by bringing eyeballs. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl <cite>Gheb posted [p:904472894] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gheb posted...</cite> <quote>You literally didn't argue a single point I made. You just said that entertainment doesn't follow logical economic model without any real backing.</quote> Sorry you don't understand the basics of supply and demand. You say they provide entertainment and then go on about important entertainment is. Entertainment is more plentiful than dirt. If all of youtube went away it wouldn't matter because there are a trillion alternatives. </quote> I don't think you understand supply and demand. If people were content with the supply on hand, there wouldn't be any demand. The very fact that people keep watching new movies, tv shows, streams, etc. literally means there is a demand for it. If there wasn't, people wouldn't spend money or time on it. <quote>They're not getting paid for providing entertainment anyway. They mostly get paid for bringing "eyeballs".</quote> By that logic, TV isn't entertainment. Since the networks are only making money by bringing eyeballs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 07/04/18 9:35:09 AM #67:	LinksLiege posted... "Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life." --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:904472960] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinksLiege posted...</cite> <quote>"Real job" is just something people use when trying to bash entertainers, youtubers, streamers, etc. Basically it translates to "I can't stand seeing you make money doing something that doesn't suck the soul out of you and make you hate your life."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/04/18 9:37:43 AM #68:	I love the contrast with this topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76775578 --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:904473066] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>I love the contrast with this topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76775578</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 07/04/18 9:38:37 AM #69:	Any job where you get to be a worker drone in the eyes of most Americans. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:904473099] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>Any job where you get to be a worker drone in the eyes of most Americans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/04/18 10:04:03 AM #70:	Antifar posted... Since when do econ 101 graphs define what counts as a job? Since always. You can't make a living if you aren't getting paid enough for the work. Most people aren't making a living off youtube or "entertainment" in general and it's not necessarily that they're worse at it. It's really a matter of luck, just like any popularity contest. Even those lucky enough to make a living from it could possibly only make a temporary living off of it just because an algorithm change could make it non-viable. That's why it's hard to call it a real job and to aspire to make it a career is foolish. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:904473943] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Since when do econ 101 graphs define what counts as a job?</quote> Since always. You can't make a living if you aren't getting paid enough for the work. Most people aren't making a living off youtube or "entertainment" in general and it's not necessarily that they're worse at it. It's really a matter of luck, just like any popularity contest. Even those lucky enough to make a living from it could possibly only make a temporary living off of it just because an algorithm change could make it non-viable. That's why it's hard to call it a real job and to aspire to make it a career is foolish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 07/04/18 10:06:16 AM #71:	One where you aren't expendable for a teenage replacement. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:904474017] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>One where you aren't expendable for a teenage replacement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrK3V 07/04/18 10:10:02 AM #72:	A job you enjoy doing --- Bangers https://open.spotify.com/user/1226504071/playlist/3X4SSY5tgxTTgdwlkmoH9F <cite>MrK3V posted [p:904474173] in What const... [t:76769128]...</cite> <quote>A job you enjoy doing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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