Current Events > Pro-Choice Constituents are sending coat hangers to Senator Susan Collins.

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Kazi1212 posted...

The thing is, Collins is already pro-choice, furthermore, if were being honest, theres far better and more effective ways to protest than what theyre doing. The distasteful nature of the protest is just the icing on the cake to the overall impotency of such a protest to begin with

You say you're not discouraging protest, then turn around and discourage protest. This makes your statements categorically disingenuous.

If you support their issue and have a better way to protest, then by all means, do it yourself.

If you oppose the issue, then any statement against nonviolent protesters will come off as trying to hush them. Support the peoples' right or stand aside.
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darkjedilink posted...

BWLurker posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

BWLurker posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

Please explain how this is being intolerant

I mean, its one thing to disagree with her stance, its another to be purposefully an asshole towards her for said stance

She's not TAKING a stance though. She's being wishy-washy and non committal

You don't even understand what she's talking about, do you?

Of course you don't, because you're a liberal. You probably don't even know what the job of the Supreme Court is.

And you're just a waste of a human being who blames all his life problems on everyone and everything but himself.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

IDK what to say man, no one thinks they have "bad stances"People don't wake up and go, "I'm a democrat/republican and I will stand by my party" -- They have feelings on various policies and gravitate towards the party that most resembles them.What you're asking for is ridiculous.

That's not really what I mean, what I'm saying is thinking like this - I don't agree with abortion, but I do agree that we need to take measures that help prevent illegal abortion.
Or, I don't agree that people should own guns, but I can see how it could be a positive thing in certain scenarios.
Or just about any stance. Just look at the pros and cons and try to find the best ways to maximize the good and minimize the bad. Get the other party involved, we all have the same goals, a happy peaceful life, where people have the freedom to pursue their dreams and not feel afraid to step outside their homes. Your country with how it's been handling issues, with such division It will not stand, that's for sure.
The problem is that we approach these issues ideologically, instead of practically. Like if you're against abortion, you're 100% against it on an ideological basis and don't even consider how it might be better in certain cases. I'm not even saying that I believe it is, I'm just saying we can't be against other things from the get go, without giving them a chance, because of our political beliefs.
That will plunge the country deeper into a state of division. Both parties are guilty of this.
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CyricZ posted...

Mister_Spyker posted...

I agree. I wouldn't call this protest, though. They are not bothering anyone. If you stop the streets, or put coat hangers in places where they will actually have an impact on peoples' lives, that's a good idea, and that's protest.

Protest does not mean signs. It doesn't mean standing in front of a government building. It doesn't mean blocking traffic or clashing with the fuzz.

Any speaking, any outspoken message, is protest. That's what the word means. It's what it's always meant.

Sending a clear message to an elected official is a form of protest. Collins knows what this message means.

I guess you're right.
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CyricZ posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

The thing is, Collins is already pro-choice, furthermore, if were being honest, theres far better and more effective ways to protest than what theyre doing. The distasteful nature of the protest is just the icing on the cake to the overall impotency of such a protest to begin with

You say you're not discouraging protest, then turn around and discourage protest. This makes your statements categorically disingenuous.

If you support their issue and have a better way to protest, then by all means, do it yourself.

If you oppose the issue, then any statement against nonviolent protesters will come off as trying to hush them. Support the peoples' right or stand aside.

I mean, even some liberals who are pro-choice are saying this sort of protest was distasteful and unnecessary, so Im probably not the one being unreasonable here for calling out a shitty protest a shitty protest. Its not like the method of protest is above criticism somehow, and I dont get why youre trying to hush people who are just sharing their opinions of how they felt about it, its my right to do so just as its their right to have a shitty protest.
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Kazi1212 posted...

CyricZ posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

The thing is, Collins is already pro-choice, furthermore, if were being honest, theres far better and more effective ways to protest than what theyre doing. The distasteful nature of the protest is just the icing on the cake to the overall impotency of such a protest to begin with

You say you're not discouraging protest, then turn around and discourage protest. This makes your statements categorically disingenuous.

If you support their issue and have a better way to protest, then by all means, do it yourself.

If you oppose the issue, then any statement against nonviolent protesters will come off as trying to hush them. Support the peoples' right or stand aside.

I mean, even some liberals who are pro-choice are saying this sort of protest was distasteful and unnecessary, so Im probably not the one being unreasonable here for calling out a shitty protest a shitty protest. Its not like the method of protest is above criticism somehow, and I dont get why youre trying to hush people who are just sharing their opinions of how they felt about it, its my right to do so just as its their right to have a shitty protest.

This is bad logic.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

God, you must feel stupid.
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Calling this "distasteful" is political correctness.
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Lol

https://twitter.com/hashtag/HangersForCollins?src=hash
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Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

Atleast we dont run people down in cars like the super tolerant right does
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dameon_reaper posted...

and a lot of people don't. You're looking on the up side rather than both. You say "lot of" but not "all of". This admits that there are those who live bad lives.

Yeah...and? Every single life has the potential to suck. From the richest kid to the poorest. Using that logic, all children should be aborted to protect them from potential suffering. It's just not an argument I buy. Sorry. As for the rest of your post, it just sounds like immature whining to me to be honest. Being a parent can suck. It's true. But there are better ways to avoid being a parent if you really don't want to be one. There's one good argument for being pro-choice and it's why I'm pro-choice: That argument of course being that I don't want the government to have that much authority over people's bodies.

joestarrr posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

yeah cuz being a-ok with women dying from back alley abortions is SUPER FUCKING TOLERANT

This is like saying that "being okay with murderers using knives instead of having proper murder facilities is SUPER FUCKING TOLERANT".
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Halo478 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

Atleast we dont run people down in cars like the super tolerant right does

like extreme leftists conducting false flag attacks do*
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DarkTransient posted...

Halo478 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

Atleast we dont run people down in cars like the super tolerant right does

like extreme leftists conducting false flag attacks do*

Have you just gone full troll? You seemed reasonable the other day. Now today you're suddenly advocating murder charges for anyone whose ever had an abortion and now this nonsense?

Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

You can call someone out and be tolerant at the same time.
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Someone has to fight to make sure we don't lose such a net positive for society as giving a woman the choice to only see a pregnancy to term if she desire to raise a child. We can't afford to regress as a society and strip away the right to bodily autonomy
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BWLurker posted...

Have you just gone full troll? You seemed reasonable the other day. Now today you're suddenly advocating murder charges for anyone whose ever had an abortion and now this nonsense?

He's just another person who claims to be in "center" that exclusively shits on liberals. Also yet another person that doesn't know what murder means.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Someone has to fight to make sure we don't lose such a net positive for society as giving a woman the choice to only see a pregnancy to term if she desire to raise a child. We can't afford to regress as a society and strip away the right to bodily autonomy

I disagree, we regressed as a society when the murder of an unborn child seemed like a morally sound choice for a "mother"
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BWLurker posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

Please explain how this is being intolerant

Sending a woman coathangers isn't intolerant to you
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Sending a woman coathangers isn't intolerant to you

She's still enjoying her Constitutional rights, is she not?
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

BWLurker posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Classy liberals being classy, tell me more about how tolerant you guys are

Please explain how this is being intolerant

Sending a woman coathangers isn't intolerant to you

I don't think the suggestion is that she, personally, should have an abortion
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Sending a woman coathangers isn't intolerant to you

She's still enjoying her Constitutional rights, is she not?

Non sequitur
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Russman posted...

They shouldnt be killing a child

LMAO, imaging seriously believing that give people free tools is killing children. That's hilarious.

darkjedilink posted...

You don't even understand what she's talking about, do you?

Of course you don't, because you're a liberal. You probably don't even know what the job of the Supreme Court is.

I know what the Supreme Court's is, and I think she is being wishy washy. One of the most important jobs of the Supreme Court, is interpreting the US constitution. How an individual interrupts the constitution. You can often see how people interpret the US constitution, based on their opinions about past Supreme Court cases.