Current Events > Are you satisfied with Trump's order to not separate families?

(+) Yeah! (+)

If you aren't satisfied, what would you like to see happen? Allow any family into our country who has children?
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no. I found out that it's all show. if you look in the fine print, not much is changing. and it does nothing for kids already taken. they have no intention of giving back any of the kids they kidnapped. Trump is using fancy words to fool the country. but really, it's just gonna keep happening.

Nope, it's a poor half-solution to a largely self-created problem. It ain't over yet, and Trump pretending to be the good guy isn't gonna work well, among his supporters and detractors.
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In fact, it will most likely do nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html
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He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.
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I'll be honest, this is pretty much the first thing (the whole separation) that really made me pissed off at Trump to the point at which I was not okay with it, at all.
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Yes.

IMO this is the best solution unless you want open borders/illegal immigration to not be illegal. The families have to be able to be held indefinitely (until they go to court), or it will lead to all sorts of problems. Just make sure the detention centers have livable conditions.
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When you believe this situation is Trump's fault.

It's happening during his administration, yes, but once again people are mistakenly blaming the wrong person for all of this. Blame Sessions, he's the one at fault for not specifying that border control should ignore the laws that are finally being enforced.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But is he putting families back together? Also, is he going to stop being an asshole? No? I thought so.
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No, because now I have less to be angry with Trump about.
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megamanfreakXD posted...

In fact, it will most likely do nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html

Where do you get that from this article?

The only way this would be stopped is if a federal judge stops it (something similar happened during the Obama administration from what I understand). If it goes through, there will be some problems, but once all the necessary facilities are built these inhumane practices will end.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

megamanfreakXD posted...

In fact, it will most likely do nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html

Where do you get that from this article?

The only way this would be stopped is if a federal judge stops it (something similar happened during the Obama administration from what I understand). If it goes through, there will be some problems, but once all the necessary facilities are built these inhumane practices will end.

And a Health and Human Services official said that more than 2,300 children who have already been separated from their parents under the presidents zero tolerance policy will not be immediately reunited with their families while the adults remain in federal custody during their immigration proceedings.

There will not be a grandfathering of existing cases, said Kenneth Wolfe, a spokesman for the Administration for Children and Families, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services. Mr. Wolfe said the decision about the children was made by the White House, but he added, I can tell you definitively that is going to be policy.

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megamanfreakXD posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

megamanfreakXD posted...

In fact, it will most likely do nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html

Where do you get that from this article?

The only way this would be stopped is if a federal judge stops it (something similar happened during the Obama administration from what I understand). If it goes through, there will be some problems, but once all the necessary facilities are built these inhumane practices will end.

And a Health and Human Services official said that more than 2,300 children who have already been separated from their parents under the presidents zero tolerance policy will not be immediately reunited with their families while the adults remain in federal custody during their immigration proceedings.

There will not be a grandfathering of existing cases, said Kenneth Wolfe, a spokesman for the Administration for Children and Families, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services. Mr. Wolfe said the decision about the children was made by the White House, but he added, I can tell you definitively that is going to be policy.

So what you're saying is it will do something in preventing future cases? Got it.
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I thought we hated illegals and had no sympathy? Why are we now fine with Trump going lighter on illegals?

Anyway, I am satisfied if an arsonist puts out his fire or someone pays the medical bills of the person they assaulted, but does not make the perpetrator less shitty. He still fucked up shit on purpose in the first place. Basic human courtesy after lots of prodding does not cancel out the bad.

Giving someone $100 is a good deed, but not if you robbed their house first. Actions don't occur in a vacuum.
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MrMimeTime posted...

megamanfreakXD posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

megamanfreakXD posted...

In fact, it will most likely do nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html

Where do you get that from this article?

The only way this would be stopped is if a federal judge stops it (something similar happened during the Obama administration from what I understand). If it goes through, there will be some problems, but once all the necessary facilities are built these inhumane practices will end.

And a Health and Human Services official said that more than 2,300 children who have already been separated from their parents under the presidents zero tolerance policy will not be immediately reunited with their families while the adults remain in federal custody during their immigration proceedings.

There will not be a grandfathering of existing cases, said Kenneth Wolfe, a spokesman for the Administration for Children and Families, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services. Mr. Wolfe said the decision about the children was made by the White House, but he added, I can tell you definitively that is going to be policy.

So what you're saying is it will do something in preventing future cases? Got it.

It probably won't
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hockeybub89 posted...

I thought we hated illegals and had no sympathy? Why are we now fine with Trump going lighter on illegals?

Anyway, I am satisfied if an arsonist puts out his fire or someone pays the medical bills of the person they assaulted, but does not make the perpetrator less shitty. He still fucked up shit on purpose in the first place. Basic human courtesy after lots of prodding does not cancel out the bad.

Giving someone $100 is a good deed, but not if you robbed their house first. Actions don't occur in a vacuum.

Well said. ^_^
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Theyre gonna get deported but they should be kept togethor rather than separated and not knowing if theyll ever see their parents/kids again.
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-Unowninator- posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I thought we hated illegals and had no sympathy? Why are we now fine with Trump going lighter on illegals?

Anyway, I am satisfied if an arsonist puts out his fire or someone pays the medical bills of the person they assaulted, but does not make the perpetrator less shitty. He still fucked up shit on purpose in the first place. Basic human courtesy after lots of prodding does not cancel out the bad.

Giving someone $100 is a good deed, but not if you robbed their house first. Actions don't occur in a vacuum.

Well said. ^_^

Those sweet crocodile tears liberals cry.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But in other topics you said the children had committed a crime and should face the punishment of separation. Therefore I take it you aren't happy with this EO?

Darkraiomb posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But is he putting families back together? Also, is he going to stop being an asshole? No? I thought so.

We can trust that the separated families will get sorted out. Also, Trump is not an a-hole. Would someone like that get the outpouring of support that he has received?
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Also, Trump is not an a-hole. Would someone like that get the outpouring of support that he has received?

Are you seriously asking
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

We can trust that the separated families will get sorted out. Also, Trump is not an a-hole. Would someone like that get the outpouring of support that he has received?

Yes, he would from other assholes and/or idiots.
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megamanfreakXD posted...

It probably won't

But the article says it will
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Ruvan22 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But in other topics you said the children had committed a crime and should face the punishment of separation. Therefore I take it you aren't happy with this EO?

If I said that, it was poor wording on my part. The children are as guilty as everyone else here and should be subject to whatever process is in place. Personally, I'm indifferent about the order.
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MrMimeTime posted...

-Unowninator- posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

I thought we hated illegals and had no sympathy? Why are we now fine with Trump going lighter on illegals?

Anyway, I am satisfied if an arsonist puts out his fire or someone pays the medical bills of the person they assaulted, but does not make the perpetrator less shitty. He still fucked up shit on purpose in the first place. Basic human courtesy after lots of prodding does not cancel out the bad.

Giving someone $100 is a good deed, but not if you robbed their house first. Actions don't occur in a vacuum.

Well said. ^_^

Those sweet crocodile tears liberals cry.

I'm not crying. I'm calling Trump a piece of shit.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But in other topics you said the children had committed a crime and should face the punishment of separation. Therefore I take it you aren't happy with this EO?

If I said that, it was poor wording on my part. The children are as guilty as everyone else here and should be subject to whatever process is in place. Personally, I'm indifferent about the order.

So if we had open borders, you'd be cool with that too?

What's with all these Trump supporters suddenly backing the government no matter what simply because DA LAW? Is this why they had no opinion on Obama?
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Throw the kids in jail with the parents.
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hockeybub89 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But in other topics you said the children had committed a crime and should face the punishment of separation. Therefore I take it you aren't happy with this EO?

If I said that, it was poor wording on my part. The children are as guilty as everyone else here and should be subject to whatever process is in place. Personally, I'm indifferent about the order.

So if we had open borders, you'd be cool with that too?

What's with all these Trump supporters suddenly backing the government no matter what simply because DA LAW? Is this why they had no opinion on Obama?

Lol. You cry when Trump follows the law. Then you cry when Trump breaks the law.
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MrMimeTime posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But in other topics you said the children had committed a crime and should face the punishment of separation. Therefore I take it you aren't happy with this EO?

If I said that, it was poor wording on my part. The children are as guilty as everyone else here and should be subject to whatever process is in place. Personally, I'm indifferent about the order.

So if we had open borders, you'd be cool with that too?

What's with all these Trump supporters suddenly backing the government no matter what simply because DA LAW? Is this why they had no opinion on Obama?

Lol. You cry when Trump follows the law. Then you cry when Trump breaks the law.

That isn't an answer.
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hockeybub89 posted...

MrMimeTime posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

He's keeping families together. This is exactly what the people were clamoring for. I would hope everyone is satisfied now.

But in other topics you said the children had committed a crime and should face the punishment of separation. Therefore I take it you aren't happy with this EO?

If I said that, it was poor wording on my part. The children are as guilty as everyone else here and should be subject to whatever process is in place. Personally, I'm indifferent about the order.

So if we had open borders, you'd be cool with that too?

What's with all these Trump supporters suddenly backing the government no matter what simply because DA LAW? Is this why they had no opinion on Obama?

Lol. You cry when Trump follows the law. Then you cry when Trump breaks the law.

That isn't an answer.

It's an invitation for you to take a moment of self reflection.
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MrMimeTime posted...

Lol. You cry when Trump follows the law. Then you cry when Trump breaks the law.

It's almost like "the law" isn't the end all, be all for judging the ethics of decisions.
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Anteaterking posted...

MrMimeTime posted...

Lol. You cry when Trump follows the law. Then you cry when Trump breaks the law.

It's almost like "the law" isn't the end all, be all for judging the ethics of decisions.

He's the president not the Pope.
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MrMimeTime posted...

He's the president not the Pope.

Part of the role of the executive branch is to determine to what extent they enforce laws.

Also it doesn't change the fact that you were trying to show hockeybub was "inconsistent", but that only matters if his arguments were based on the legality of actions.
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MrMimeTime posted...

Anteaterking posted...

MrMimeTime posted...

Lol. You cry when Trump follows the law. Then you cry when Trump breaks the law.

It's almost like "the law" isn't the end all, be all for judging the ethics of decisions.

He's the president not the Pope.

Uhh... ethics is a part of running society and passing law. Saying we should remove ethics from the equation is like saying we should remove oxygen from water.
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hockeybub89 posted...

MrMimeTime posted...

Anteaterking posted...

MrMimeTime posted...

Lol. You cry when Trump follows the law. Then you cry when Trump breaks the law.

It's almost like "the law" isn't the end all, be all for judging the ethics of decisions.

He's the president not the Pope.

Uhh... ethics is a part of running society and passing law. Saying we should remove ethics from the equation is like saying we should remove oxygen from water.

Lol. You'd throw a shit fit if he only conformed to the laws he found ethical. I mean, you already do have shit fits about him anyway, but there'd be just a little bit more of that.
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hockeybub89 posted...

So if we had open borders, you'd be cool with that too?

Totally open borders could be pushing things a bit, but why would I be opposed to the idea of less restrictions?
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