Current Events > Raising a half-Black child in Japan sounds dreadful.

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ImAMarvel posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Didn't a half Black half Japanese girl won like Miss Japan or something like 2 years back?

She did:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_Miyamoto

And even she faced discrimination, and her victory was somewhat controversial.

I wish she spoke English.

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Coffeebeanz posted...

Countries with an extremely ethnically homogeneous makeup tend to be unreasonably xenophobic towards minorities.

buuuuuut also stable. so it depends what you want.
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I remember when the Japanese delivery nurse called her Halle Berry immediately after my wife gave birth to her.

They were the first words my daughter ever heard. When the nurse sensed my confusion, she tried to improve her comment: Naomi Campbell?

Lmfao

kayoticdreamz posted...

people tend to be homogeneous. look at america for a great example of this, despite a clusterfuck of diversity, we still have lots of areas that are mostly broken up by racial and even religious lines.

Japan, which has refused to adopt the diversity programs of the western world, is especially concerned with maintain their homogeneous status.

and back to america....these many diverse groups do not tend to get along. just look at politics for a prime example....its how do you appeal to black voters, white voters, latin voters, etc. no one unifies because they dig down in the trenches of their racial and cultural identity. diversity tends to divide

homogeneous societies know this. Japan isn't stupid. there is a reason they aren't letting in huge swarms of refugees. they don't want the problems of the third world in their country combined with the inherent problems of massive diversity.

it isn't racism....but Japan and it's culture and the race of Japanese people would forever change by huge amounts of diversity in Japan. thats the whole reason Japan still is a unique culture. this is an attitude western countries would be wise to learn as we just cannot keep absorbing large chunks of diversity and expect our countries to remain the same or even retain first world status.

This is explicitly racial nationalist BS. It is racism and it's not acceptable or justifiable.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

And even she faced discrimination, and her victory was somewhat controversial.

Well of course it was. It was done for publicity.
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VoightKent posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

I wonder how one would go about changing this? I know a lot of alt-right types would cry "diversity ruining Japan" or some shit at that, but children being treated like this for something they can't control is not right.

It's almost as if modern relations between blacks and whites could ONLY have come about through the civil rights movement, and thus slavery, and that without evil there can be no good.

Wtf No....

We get along with Japanese people and it's not like we ever enslaved them or locked them.....oh wait fuck

Well what about Native Americans, most everyone respects them and...oh shit not again

Ok, Muslims. A lot of white people get along with them fine again, it's not like we ever bombed the shit out of...FUCK

ok...ok.... Hispanics, most people like them and it's not like we've ever done anything crazy to them...oh...no... We're doing that right now.

I'm just gonna stop now because I'm 0 for 4 and I'm running out of colors.
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ViralMoose posted...

I remember when the Japanese delivery nurse called her Halle Berry immediately after my wife gave birth to her.

They were the first words my daughter ever heard. When the nurse sensed my confusion, she tried to improve her comment: Naomi Campbell?

Lmfao

Jesus Christ
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Do half whites face the same discrimination over there?
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RE_expert44 posted...

Do half whites face the same discrimination over there?

Apparently white people get randomly offered jobs and everyone wants to take pictures with them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sllOxGBELjQ" data-time="

RE_expert44 posted...

Do half whites face the same discrimination over there?

I don't think we really face that much skin based discrimination. It's primarily discrimination against being not Japanese. Like they can legally discriminate housing or just about anything based on you being a foreigner. Housing is one of the first things you run into here. You quickly realize a lot of places don't want you to live there and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. You also get blamed for stuff you didn't do. If some senile old person put out the wrong trash on the wrong day (truly the greatest of crimes) everyone assumes you did it, because you're a dumb foreigner who doesn't know any better. But honestly it isn't that bad. People might whine about it online, but no one is going to hate crime you or anything because you're a foreigner. I never fear for my safety or anything major. It's just a lot of what some people call "micro-aggressions". And some people are really bothered by that. It doesn't bother me that much personally, but I can understand why some people would be. I've never been called a racial slur or had threats made or anything like that. Though I have run into the anti-foreigner black propaganda vans drive by the right wing extremists. It can be kind of strange walking down a street while a van is blaring a message asking for cooperation in removing all foreigners from the country (but they ask very nicely).
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I have a half black nephew I've never met in Japan because my brother was stationed there for a while
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Wtf No....

We get along with Japanese people and it's not like we ever enslaved them or locked them.....oh wait fuck

Well what about Native Americans, most everyone respects them and...oh shit not again

Ok, Muslims. A lot of white people get along with them fine again, it's not like we ever bombed the shit out of...FUCK

ok...ok.... Hispanics, most people like them and it's not like we've ever done anything crazy to them...oh...no... We're doing that right now.

I'm just gonna stop now because I'm 0 for 4 and I'm running out of colors.

Im white and I apologize
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So how are Mexicans treated in japan?
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legendary_zell posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

people tend to be homogeneous. look at america for a great example of this, despite a clusterfuck of diversity, we still have lots of areas that are mostly broken up by racial and even religious lines.

Japan, which has refused to adopt the diversity programs of the western world, is especially concerned with maintain their homogeneous status.

and back to america....these many diverse groups do not tend to get along. just look at politics for a prime example....its how do you appeal to black voters, white voters, latin voters, etc. no one unifies because they dig down in the trenches of their racial and cultural identity. diversity tends to divide

homogeneous societies know this. Japan isn't stupid. there is a reason they aren't letting in huge swarms of refugees. they don't want the problems of the third world in their country combined with the inherent problems of massive diversity.

it isn't racism....but Japan and it's culture and the race of Japanese people would forever change by huge amounts of diversity in Japan. thats the whole reason Japan still is a unique culture. this is an attitude western countries would be wise to learn as we just cannot keep absorbing large chunks of diversity and expect our countries to remain the same or even retain first world status.

This is explicitly racial nationalist BS. It is racism and it's not acceptable or justifiable.

racism is just the acknowledgment that the races are different and often times have different cultures and history that unite them together. racism in the sense of criminal activities is created when these different races cannot get along due to their different backgrounds.

whats ironic is if we go with the no nationalist view, and the races all intermingle and even have lots of bi racial children, there will be no more japan because there will be no more japanese people. so if you love the japanese culture, you would support the country of japan remaining 95% japanese.

i know this logic offends people.

due note no where am i saying that we need to commit criminal activities against people just for being a different race, i am merely stating why different races have not gotten along and the flaw in diversity.

ImAMarvel posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Didn't a half Black half Japanese girl won like Miss Japan or something like 2 years back?

She did:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_Miyamoto

And even she faced discrimination, and her victory was somewhat controversial.

I wish she spoke English.

She doesn't? She spent time in the US as a teen, so I'd imagine that she picked some things up.

PepperoniMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

And even she faced discrimination, and her victory was somewhat controversial.

Well of course it was. It was done for publicity.

Where's your proof? Or do you find it mindbreaking that a Black woman could win Miss Japan?

kayoticdreamz posted...

racism is just the acknowledgment that the races are differen

No, racism is the belief that one or more race is inferior to the others (often your own), and it's sickening that you're trying to romanticize or justify it.

kayoticdreamz posted...

whats ironic is if we go with the no nationalist view, and the races all intermingle and even have lots of bi racial children, there will be no more japan because there will be no more japanese people. so if you love the japanese culture, you would support the country of japan remaining 95% japanese.

Those people would still speak Japanese and be part of the Japanese culture if they were half-Japanese. What the hell are you even getting at, that segregation is good or some bullshit?
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so that's basically my childhood except the mother and father were in a bitter divorce where the play me off against one another and i end up staying with my dad who was an angry drunk that physically took out on me and my sister.
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I always laugh when an anime Youtuber tries to say that Japan isn't racist.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Where's your proof? Or do you find it mindbreaking that a Black woman could win Miss Japan?

This is mere speculation. Just think for a minute. What are the odds they'd crown a Black Japanese woman out of the dozens and dozens of competitors? They knew picking her would create great publicity, and so they did.

Personally, I'd see it as an insult to ehtnic Yamato women which implies their looks are not worthy of representing an entire nation in which Yamato people are the majority.
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PepperoniMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Where's your proof? Or do you find it mindbreaking that a Black woman could win Miss Japan?

This is mere speculation. Just think for a minute. What are the odds they'd crown a Black Japanese woman out of the dozens and dozens of competitors? They knew picking her would create great publicity, and so they did.

Personally, I'd see it as an insult to ehtnic Yamato women which implies their looks are not worthy of representing an entire nation in which Yamato people are the majority.

Or maybe they felt that she outperformed the other contestants. Not everything is some kind of "social justice" conspiracy.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

"She needs to be around more people who look like her"

What a shocker.

What's the alternative? Where she is now, she's being conditioned to think that her dark skin makes her ugly.

I'm just pointing out that's it's no surprise that people need to be around others who look like them. Ignoring race or ethnicity will never work. People want to feel like they just belong.
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legendary_zell posted...

kayoticdreamz posted...

people tend to be homogeneous. look at america for a great example of this, despite a clusterfuck of diversity, we still have lots of areas that are mostly broken up by racial and even religious lines.

Japan, which has refused to adopt the diversity programs of the western world, is especially concerned with maintain their homogeneous status.

and back to america....these many diverse groups do not tend to get along. just look at politics for a prime example....its how do you appeal to black voters, white voters, latin voters, etc. no one unifies because they dig down in the trenches of their racial and cultural identity. diversity tends to divide

homogeneous societies know this. Japan isn't stupid. there is a reason they aren't letting in huge swarms of refugees. they don't want the problems of the third world in their country combined with the inherent problems of massive diversity.

it isn't racism....but Japan and it's culture and the race of Japanese people would forever change by huge amounts of diversity in Japan. thats the whole reason Japan still is a unique culture. this is an attitude western countries would be wise to learn as we just cannot keep absorbing large chunks of diversity and expect our countries to remain the same or even retain first world status.

This is explicitly racial nationalist BS. It is racism and it's not acceptable or justifiable.

kayoticdreamz is right though the most diverse nations are also the most troubled as the the top seem to come out of Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

I'm really sorry the media and your liberal college has brainwashed you into thinking that diversity can do know wrong and anyone who questions it is the greatest evil.

When the couple decided to have children they should have been aware that the child might have a difficult time.

Japan is a great place but they are not perfect and yes racism is a thing there.
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It's one thing to want to retain your culture and historical identity. It's another thing entirely to be hostile and racist towards those simply living amongst you who arent from your country.
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Maninstagnate posted...

kayoticdreamz is right though the most diverse nations are also the most troubled as the the top seem to come out of Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

I'm really sorry the media and your liberal college has brainwashed you into thinking that diversity can do know wrong and anyone who questions it is the greatest evil.

You really think diversity is the reason those countries are doing bad? Sounds like you're just regurgitating alt-right talking points, especially with that "liberal media" BS.

Plus, most people who question diversity or treat it as this bad thing tend to be racist themselves.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Maninstagnate posted...

alt-right talking points

You really think diversity is the reason those countries are doing bad? Sounds like you're just regurgitating alt-right talking points, especially with that "liberal media" BS.

Plus, most people who question diversity or treat it as this bad thing tend to be racist themselves.

I agree
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Why can't the left just admit that too much diversity causes tensions and less trust overall?

You can still like diversity but don't act like it's 100% perfect and any criticism of it is heresy.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Why can't the left just admit that too much diversity causes tensions and less trust overall?

You can still like diversity but don't act like it's 100% perfect and any criticism of it is heresy.

Who on the left has said "Its 100% perfect and should never be criticized"?

soyforsteaks posted...

always fishy how people say "well thats japan" almost like their trying to justify their own racism and secretly hope it gets normalized in america

Stop projecting. Japan has its own culture, which it is perfectly fine with. Obviously the way they run things isnt going to mirror the way a country like the US, being more diverse, would run things. Recognizing that is not the same as saying racism should be normalized in the US.
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Ruvan22 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Why can't the left just admit that too much diversity causes tensions and less trust overall?

You can still like diversity but don't act like it's 100% perfect and any criticism of it is heresy.

Who on the left has said "Its 100% perfect and should never be criticized"?

It's the impression you get from all their accusations and responses.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Why can't the left just admit that too much diversity causes tensions and less trust overall?

You can still like diversity but don't act like it's 100% perfect and any criticism of it is heresy.

Who on the left has said "Its 100% perfect and should never be criticized"?

It's the impression you get from all their accusations and responses.

On the other hand, the people making those criticisms tend to have ulterior motives.
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Diversity is great. However, the sad truth is that people will most usually have preference for their own. That shouldn't be said as an excuse to be racist toward everyone who doesn't look like you, so don't get that idea. It's just a realization that most people will/should come to understand.

We can strive to be a society that is more accepting of those different from us, as more connects us than sperates us (Black Panter quote).
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Asherlee10 posted...

This video is relevant and interesting:

Actually Being Mixed-Race in Japan (interview with 'Half-Japanese' People ft Farouq)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpDF_uV_J1M" data-time="

Also post the interview with Joe the blasian male model. Him and his mother were attacked daily and the men that lived in their building often threatened to rape them(both of them) and nearby US soldiers from a base had to protect them.

Also a grown man punched him in the face out of the blue when he was walking home from elementary school.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsHBlLvvlgo" data-time="
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Posted. Joe's life story is actually amazing, he should have a book or something.
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wow the kid got insulted by the japanese people , so much violence

try to bring a white boy to places like south africa suburbans and you would see what real violence is.
This couple really needs to stop complaining.

Solar_Crimson posted...

PepperoniMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Where's your proof? Or do you find it mindbreaking that a Black woman could win Miss Japan?

This is mere speculation. Just think for a minute. What are the odds they'd crown a Black Japanese woman out of the dozens and dozens of competitors? They knew picking her would create great publicity, and so they did.

Personally, I'd see it as an insult to ehtnic Yamato women which implies their looks are not worthy of representing an entire nation in which Yamato people are the majority.

Or maybe they felt that she outperformed the other contestants. Not everything is some kind of "social justice" conspiracy.

I wont deny thats a potential possibility as well, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking this wasnt motivated by publicity. It generated lots of buzz didnt it? Was she chosen cause of her novelty or because the judges truly felt she represented Japan?
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PepperoniMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

PepperoniMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Where's your proof? Or do you find it mindbreaking that a Black woman could win Miss Japan?

This is mere speculation. Just think for a minute. What are the odds they'd crown a Black Japanese woman out of the dozens and dozens of competitors? They knew picking her would create great publicity, and so they did.

Personally, I'd see it as an insult to ehtnic Yamato women which implies their looks are not worthy of representing an entire nation in which Yamato people are the majority.

Or maybe they felt that she outperformed the other contestants. Not everything is some kind of "social justice" conspiracy.

I wont deny thats a potential possibility as well, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking this wasnt motivated by publicity. It generated lots of buzz didnt it? Was she chosen cause of her novelty or because the judges truly felt she represented Japan?

She can't win on her own merits? She may be biracial, not Yamato, Ainu, or Ryukyuan but she is still culturally Japanese down to her mannerisms.
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Taharqa_ posted...

PepperoniMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

PepperoniMaster posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

Where's your proof? Or do you find it mindbreaking that a Black woman could win Miss Japan?

This is mere speculation. Just think for a minute. What are the odds they'd crown a Black Japanese woman out of the dozens and dozens of competitors? They knew picking her would create great publicity, and so they did.

Personally, I'd see it as an insult to ehtnic Yamato women which implies their looks are not worthy of representing an entire nation in which Yamato people are the majority.

Or maybe they felt that she outperformed the other contestants. Not everything is some kind of "social justice" conspiracy.

I wont deny thats a potential possibility as well, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking this wasnt motivated by publicity. It generated lots of buzz didnt it? Was she chosen cause of her novelty or because the judges truly felt she represented Japan?

She can't win on her own merits? She may be biracial, not Yamato, Ainu, or Ryukyuan but she is still culturally Japanese down to her mannerisms.

Im not saying she shouldnt be allowed to take the crown; Im just questioning why they coincidentally chose the one chick that was biracial out of all other contestants who couldve been as qualified to take the crown.

I mean, negative publicity is still publicity.
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MasculineChad posted...

wow the kid got insulted by the japanese people , so much violence

try to bring a white boy to places like south africa suburbans and you would see what real violence is.
This couple really needs to stop complaining.

1. She's a 4-year-old child. No child should have to go through that.

2. Just because the racism isn't violent doesn't mean that her parents can't complain about it. A lot of racism in the US in the 50s and earlier were non-violent, but people still call it out regularly.

3. Actually, if you read the article, one kids did in fact try to punch the child in the face.

4. If you want to pull that card, there are places where Black people can and have been beaten and killed by non-Black locals. For example:
https://www.theroot.com/black-american-tourist-beaten-to-death-over-a-selfie-p-1796847370

Try using your brain next time.

PepperoniMaster posted...

Im not saying she shouldnt be allowed to take the crown; Im just questioning why they coincidentally chose the one chick that was biracial out of all other contestants who couldve been as qualified to take the crown.

What makes those other women more qualified than her?
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Solar_Crimson posted...

What makes those other women more qualified than her?

You're not getting it. Let's pretend for a second all those women were qualified to take the crown. Would they single out the only biracial girl because of her novelty and potential to make headlines? "Biracial woman wins Miss Japan!" Or would they settle for just another Japanese woman who isn't of mixed race and not be the talk of the town? I'm not discriminating against half Japanese people, but to use her for the sake of creating a buzz is pretty disgusting and not fair for all the other competitors.

I see it kind of like prom night and how they'll choose a transgender girl to be Prom Queen for the sake of being progressive and making headlines everywhere simply because she's different and stands out from the rest.
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PepperoniMaster posted...

but to use her for the sake of creating a buzz is pretty disgusting and not fair for all the other competitors.

i think its kind of disgusting how you are assuming she won because she is biracial and not because she deserved to win.
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MwarriorHiei posted...

PepperoniMaster posted...

but to use her for the sake of creating a buzz is pretty disgusting and not fair for all the other competitors.

i think its kind of disgusting how you are assuming she won because she is biracial and not because she deserved to win.

You can't prove she won because she exceeded all aspects of the contest and not because she had the potential to generate publicity. I mean, you could be right, I could be wrong, but no one knows for sure what goes behind the scenes in these sort of pageants.

For me, it's all speculation and how everything just seems too coincidental.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Countries with an extremely ethnically homogeneous makeup tend to be unreasonably xenophobic towards minorities.

This

I can bet she'd be treated similarly if the family moved to Africa

Not that they ever would
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Why can't the left just admit that too much diversity causes tensions and less trust overall?

You can still like diversity but don't act like it's 100% perfect and any criticism of it is heresy.

Who on the left has said "Its 100% perfect and should never be criticized"?

It's the impression you get from all their accusations and responses.

Who specifically on the left has made these accusations/responses? Are there other people that get the same impression as you? So far it seems you made up a broad statement to argue against that nobody made?

awesome999 posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Countries with an extremely ethnically homogeneous makeup tend to be unreasonably xenophobic towards minorities.

This

I can bet she'd be treated similarly if the family moved to Africa

Africa is a huge continent, so it depends on where they moved. But because she has dark skin, she would more than likely still be treated better there than she is in Japan.
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known2FAIL posted...

I guess the Anime "Naruto" was trying to counter some of this racism since how the Village treated Naruto for being the ninetails was VERY similar to what I just read.

Except for when they revealed that he was the son of a Hokage, which invalidated everything and meant he had the most nobility in his blood of them all. Because in Japan, bloodline is everything, and they teach this to their children through their entertainment.
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