Current Events > UK Man who had sex with 12 yo freed due to believing she was 20 no registry

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krazychao5 posted...

she is responsible for her own actions. she is the one who was in the wrong in this situation.

And not the scumbag who assumed she was of legal age because she looked it? If there's on thing you should know by now, you always ask for identification as opposed to taking a huge risk.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...

krazychao5 posted...

she is responsible for her own actions. she is the one who was in the wrong in this situation.

If there's on thing you should know by now, you always ask for identification as opposed to taking a huge risk.

Cuz VW wrote the book this subject mirite? eh? EH?
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...

krazychao5 posted...

she is responsible for her own actions. she is the one who was in the wrong in this situation.

And not the scumbag who assumed she was of legal age because she looked it? If there's on thing you should know by now, you always ask for identification as opposed to taking a huge risk.

until there is law stating that you need to review identification before consent is given for sex, then no, it is not a given.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...

krazychao5 posted...

she is responsible for her own actions. she is the one who was in the wrong in this situation.

And not the scumbag who assumed she was of legal age because she looked it? If there's on thing you should know by now, you always ask for identification as opposed to taking a huge risk.

He assumed she was of legal age because she said she was
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weekoldhotdog posted...

There isn't a magical rule that excuses ignorance for the presence of broken laws.

Not true in regards to UK age of consent laws. If you reasonably believe someone to be 16 or older, and they are between 13 and 16, it is not a crime to have sex with them. That is why the article say if she was a few months older the perpetrator would have a good defence. It's only when the victim is under 13 years old when the perpetrator's believe doesn't matter, which is why the man was found guilty in this case.

weekoldhotdog posted...

Yeah I read the edits, but thanks for not noticing the fact that the guy got her
drunk at a party first.

Do you have a source for your claim that she drunk? Nobody else seems to think she was drunk.

How does a 12 year old pre pubescent girl even SOUND like an of age woman?

I don't see how we can pretend that this isn't as simple as it sounds, as it's written on paper. Exactly how many 12 year olds do you see running around looking like fully grown women?

We are talking 12 years of age. Literally 2 years over the age of 10. There is -no- way this girl was fully developed beyond the socks that she had shoved in her bra.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

I don't see how we can pretend that this isn't as simple as it sounds, as it's written on paper. Exactly how many 12 year olds do you see running around looking like fully grown women?

I've certainly seen 12 year olds that look 16. Not a tonne sure, but a few.

Ah, the ol' "BUT---BUT SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS 18!!!" excuse.

The fact that they found it reasonable that a grown man would mistake a 12 year old for a 20 year old is one huge, fucking joke.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Ah, the ol' "BUT---BUT SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS 18!!!" excuse.

The fact that they found it reasonable that a grown man would mistake a 12 year old for a 20 year old is one huge, fucking joke.

16, not 20

Also the guy was 19 at the time, its not like he was some 40 year old
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JE19426 posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

There isn't a magical rule that excuses ignorance for the presence of broken laws.

Not true in regards to UK age of consent laws. If you reasonably believe someone to be 16 or older, and they are between 13 and 16, it is not a crime to have sex with them. That is why the article say if she was a few months older the perpetrator would have a good defence. It's only when the victim is under 13 years old when the perpetrator's believe doesn't matter, which is why the man was found guilty in this case.

weekoldhotdog posted...

Yeah I read the edits, but thanks for not noticing the fact that the guy got her
drunk at a party first.

Do you have a source for your claim that she drunk? Nobody else seems to think she was drunk.

Look, your country is the size of one of our fly over states. Just because your little peice of the world views 13 year olds as sexually available doesn't mean the rest of civilized society has to agree with your archaic laws. I mean, you guys allow inbreeding, to preserve "royal bloodlines" and you view a 12 year old being only a few months older as being legally defensive in the court of law.

Bring that case to my country and see where we put that sick-o.

Do you have a source that PROVES she didn't consume alcahol at that party where she (being 12 years old) felt comfortable enough to have sex with a 21 year old man? Just because everyone else over looks this information doesn't mean a good detective shouldn't.

I bet your police didn't even take this victim to a hospital to be properly examined after the alligations went to police.

Too busy taking knives away from the populace, I assume.
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He burst into tears BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT.
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thronedfire2 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Ah, the ol' "BUT---BUT SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS 18!!!" excuse.

The fact that they found it reasonable that a grown man would mistake a 12 year old for a 20 year old is one huge, fucking joke.

16, not 20

Also the guy was 19 at the time, its not like he was some 40 year old

Kids are getting child porn charges because they are sending dick pics to each other at the age of 14 but you excuse this guy for being 19 and having sex with a 12 year old?

Suddenly I don't know about you anymore.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

Look, your country is the size of one of our fly over states. Just because your little peice of the world views 13 year olds as sexually available doesn't mean the rest of civilized society has to agree with your archaic laws. I mean, you guys allow inbreeding, to preserve "royal bloodlines" and you view a 12 year old being only a few months older as being legally defensive in the court of law.

Literally nothing you've said in this paragraph is true except maybe the bit about the UK size and I'm pretty sure the UK is smaller than any flyover state.

Bring that case to my country and see where we put that sick-o.

You wouldn't put the guy anywhere. The lawyer would point out the court has no jurisdiction over the case and the court would agree.

Do you have a source that PROVES she didn't consume alcahol at that party where she (being 12 years old) felt comfortable enough to have sex with a 21 year old man?

I don't need one, you made a claim not me. Back your claim up.

Just because everyone else over looks this information doesn't mean a good detective shouldn't.

A good lawyer wouldn't make stuff up.

I bet your police didn't even take this victim to a hospital to be properly examined after the alligations went to police.

I don't know really need to know about your gambling habits, but ok.

Kids are getting child porn charges because they are sending dick pics to each other at the age of 14 but you excuse this guy for being 19 and having sex with a 12 year old?

I'm not aware of any UK cases of kids getting charged with creation of child porn for take dick pics, but even if it happens that's no excuse for the law to be unnecessarily harsh in other matters.

weekoldhotdog posted...

Wow, joking about rape, especially when it comes to a 12 year old girl. Fucking disgusting.

joke ?

is called "rape by deception "
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JE19426 posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

Look, your country is the size of one of our fly over states. Just because your little peice of the world views 13 year olds as sexually available doesn't mean the rest of civilized society has to agree with your archaic laws. I mean, you guys allow inbreeding, to preserve "royal bloodlines" and you view a 12 year old being only a few months older as being legally defensive in the court of law.

Literally nothing you've said in this paragraph is true except maybe the bit about the UK size and I'm pretty sure the UK is smaller than any flyover state.

Bring that case to my country and see where we put that sick-o.

You wouldn't put the guy anywhere. The lawyer would point out the court has no jurisdiction over the case and the court would agree.

Do you have a source that PROVES she didn't consume alcahol at that party where she (being 12 years old) felt comfortable enough to have sex with a 21 year old man?

I don't need one, you made a claim not me. Back your claim up.

Just because everyone else over looks this information doesn't mean a good detective shouldn't.

A good lawyer wouldn't make stuff up.

I bet your police didn't even take this victim to a hospital to be properly examined after the alligations went to police.

I don't know really need to know about your gambling habits, but ok.

Kids are getting child porn charges because they are sending dick pics to each other at the age of 14 but you excuse this guy for being 19 and having sex with a 12 year old?

I'm not aware of any UK cases of kids getting charged with creation of child porn for take dick pics, but even if it happens that's no excuse for the law to be unnecessarily harsh in other matters.

Literally some of the dumbest spew of regurgitated garbage I have ever read.

/slow claps
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marc55 posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

Wow, joking about rape, especially when it comes to a 12 year old girl. Fucking disgusting.

joke ?

is called "rape by deception "

The only person that decieved anyone is the guy that raped the 12 year old girl.

So many people here defending the wrong fucking person.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

Literally some of the dumbest spew of regurgitated garbage I have ever read.

I'll take that as a compliment coming from a person that thinks good detectives should make up evidence.

The only person that decieved anyone is the guy that raped the 12 year old girl.

Who did that guy deceive, and how did they deceive them?

JE19426 posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

Literally some of the dumbest spew of regurgitated garbage I have ever read.

I'll take that as a compliment coming from a person that thinks good detectives should make up evidence.

The only person that decieved anyone is the guy that raped the 12 year old girl.

Who did that guy deceive, and how did they deceive them?

He covered his ass to avoid jail time and robbed a 12 year old girl of her childhood.
You are the only person who keeps stating "a detective should make up stuff".

I'm done with this conversation, if only because I refuse to justify with you any longer about why having sex with a 12 year old is wrong. Hide behind your morally corrupt laws, I'll be sitting in the Good ol U S of A enjoying my politically corrupt society but secured in the fact that our Children are safe with a Atlantic ocean between us and your liberal island known as the UK.
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Lol so those school massacres didn't happen in your world?
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spikethedevil posted...

Lol so those school massacres didn't happen in your world?

My kids are safer in american schools than on UK streets, apparently!

laughing out loud to school massacres are you?
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weekoldhotdog posted...

He covered his ass to avoid jail time and robbed a 12 year old girl of her childhood.

How so?

You are the only person who keeps stating "a detective should make up stuff".

Not at all, you are the one who claimed that in post 110 a good detective shouldn't ignore evidence that doesn't exist.

I'm done with this conversation,

Ok.

if only because I refuse to justify with you any longer about why having sex with a 12 year old is wrong.

Ok, so not only are not done with the conversation you are going to continue making stuff up.

Hide behind your morally corrupt laws,

There's nothing morally corrupt about not setting people to jail due to simple mistakes.

I'll be sitting in the Good ol U S of A enjoying my politically corrupt society but secured in the fact that our Children are safe with a Atlantic ocean between us and your liberal island known as the UK.

Ok have fun, also FYI none of the islands are known as the UK.

So this 1 child = the fuck knows how many killed in American schools? and BTW I do agree that he should of had some punishment but yes her lying should also be taken into account.
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JE19426 posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

He covered his ass to avoid jail time and robbed a 12 year old girl of her childhood.

How so?

You are the only person who keeps stating "a detective should make up stuff".

Not at all, you are the one who claimed that in post 110 a good detective shouldn't ignore evidence that doesn't exist.

I'm done with this conversation,

Ok.

if only because I refuse to justify with you any longer about why having sex with a 12 year old is wrong.

Ok, so not only are not done with the conversation you are going to continue making stuff up.

Hide behind your morally corrupt laws,

There's nothing morally corrupt about not setting people to jail due to simple mistakes.

I'll be sitting in the Good ol U S of A enjoying my politically corrupt society but secured in the fact that our Children are safe with a Atlantic ocean between us and your liberal island known as the UK.

Ok have fun, also FYI none of the islands are known as the UK.

Occupied country known as the UK.
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spikethedevil posted...

So this 1 child = the fuck knows how many killed in American schools? and BTW I do agree that he should of had some punishment but yes her lying should also be taken into account.

This one child is greater than the piece of shit that raped her. Only you are making the comparison of one raped victim to an entire nation of schools with only a handful of school shootings.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

JE19426 posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

There isn't a magical rule that excuses ignorance for the presence of broken laws.

Not true in regards to UK age of consent laws. If you reasonably believe someone to be 16 or older, and they are between 13 and 16, it is not a crime to have sex with them. That is why the article say if she was a few months older the perpetrator would have a good defence. It's only when the victim is under 13 years old when the perpetrator's believe doesn't matter, which is why the man was found guilty in this case.

weekoldhotdog posted...

Yeah I read the edits, but thanks for not noticing the fact that the guy got her
drunk at a party first.

Do you have a source for your claim that she drunk? Nobody else seems to think she was drunk.

Look, your country is the size of one of our fly over states. Just because your little peice of the world views 13 year olds as sexually available doesn't mean the rest of civilized society has to agree with your archaic laws. I mean, you guys allow inbreeding, to preserve "royal bloodlines" and you view a 12 year old being only a few months older as being legally defensive in the court of law.

Bring that case to my country and see where we put that sick-o.

Do you have a source that PROVES she didn't consume alcahol at that party where she (being 12 years old) felt comfortable enough to have sex with a 21 year old man? Just because everyone else over looks this information doesn't mean a good detective shouldn't.

I bet your police didn't even take this victim to a hospital to be properly examined after the alligations went to police.

Too busy taking knives away from the populace, I assume.

I mean, America has a billion nutsos shooting up schools every couple of seconds on the clock, policemen gunning down unarmed citizens and getting paid leave, have literal immigration holding cells, it's hard to take the high ground against europe of all places lol.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

spikethedevil posted...

So this 1 child = the fuck knows how many killed in American schools? and BTW I do agree that he should of had some punishment but yes her lying should also be taken into account.

This one child is greater than the piece of shit that raped her. Only you are making the comparison of one raped victim to an entire nation of schools with only a handful of school shootings.

Only a handful?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4217703/school-shooting-u-s-2018/

And no we don't view 13 year olds as sexually available. Hell a footballer got 6 years for fingering a 15 year old.
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Occupied country known as the UK.

Yea the UK is made up of four countries.

England.
Scotland.
Wales.
Northern Ireland.
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spikethedevil posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

spikethedevil posted...

So this 1 child = the fuck knows how many killed in American schools? and BTW I do agree that he should of had some punishment but yes her lying should also be taken into account.

This one child is greater than the piece of shit that raped her. Only you are making the comparison of one raped victim to an entire nation of schools with only a handful of school shootings.

Only a handful?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4217703/school-shooting-u-s-2018/

And no we don't view 13 year olds as sexually available. Hell a footballer got 6 years for fingering a 15 year old.

First of all, there is a difference between a "school shooting" and a "school massacre".
I don't expect you to understand this as you're not allowed to posses a gun in your country, but it goes as follows:
if the body count gets to the double digits, it's a massacre. Anything else is a shooting.

Don't act like your country doesn't have "school stabbings" just because you can't get away with having guns.

2nd
The UK is 4 islands and barely a speck in the global theater, yet here you are acting like you're known in the world for doing...stuff. I don't even know what, but you do it.

Go play some futball or something, or watch that awfull buh buh cee.
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We had the largest empire in human history and it never technically fell. and have the greatest Navy in the world.

We have had one school stabbing in the last few years that I can remember and it didn't leave 17 children dead.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island is two main islands with a few smaller ones dotted around it but you go and keep up the ignorant American stereotype.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1BS7XnEZqc" data-time="
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spikethedevil posted...

We had

Stopped reading right there because I know what you are going to say and I'm just going to laugh.

You relied on our help to stop a German invasion, please go post somewhere else.

ugh, then you fucking posted Greenday. This conversation is over, if only because I can't believe I'm arguing with someone that's fucking posting American Idiot and fucking GREENDAY.

Enjoy your emo depraved country. I'm done with you too, but only because I didn't realize I was talking to a outdated goth about the ethics of not having sex with a minor.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

spikethedevil posted...

We had

Stopped reading right there because I know what you are going to say and I'm just going to laugh.

You relied on our help to stop a German invasion, please go post somewhere else.

You only got involved because Japan attacked and you needed out help with that. And I though you were going to stop posting in this topic?
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weekoldhotdog posted...

You relied on our help to stop a German invasion

Not at all. The Battle of Britain was over before the US joined the war.

spikethedevil posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

spikethedevil posted...

We had

Stopped reading right there because I know what you are going to say and I'm just going to laugh.

You relied on our help to stop a German invasion, please go post somewhere else.

You only got involved because Japan attacked and you needed out help with that. And I though you were going to stop posting in this topic?

No, I said I was done with that conversation. I didn't say I was done posting in a topic. It's sad that you never learned how to read, seriously.

And uh I don't see how you helped us win the fight over the Pacific when we had midway covered and 2 atom bombs to deal with Japan, but please, keep telling yourself that.

XDXDXD

Is that what they are teaching you in your public schools? Fucking embarrising that you bring that logic onto the world wide web.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

And uh I don't see how you helped us win the fight over the Pacific when we had midway covered and 2 atom bombs to deal with Japan, but please, keep telling yourself that.

You wouldn't of had atomic bombs without British help.

Relied on us not once but TWICE. Save us America! U boats are sinking all of our trade ships and we're but 4 little islands in the middle of a big ocean, help ussss!
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JE19426 posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

You relied on our help to stop a German invasion

Not at all. The Battle of Britain was over before the US joined the war.

Also this.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

Relied on us not once but TWICE. Save us America! U boats are sinking all of our trade ships and we're but 4 little islands in the middle of a big ocean, help ussss!

Dude you're falling back to some of your old trolling material try something new. And we never really relied on you at all tbh. You would never of got involved if not for Japan.
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You couldn't even kick us out of our own nation that you forced us to pilgram to.

Couldn't make us pay taxes when we didn't want to.

Couldn't stop the french from landing in Florida.

Couldn't stop the Americans from controlling the Mississippi River.

Couldn't even keep the French from taking control of Canada.

But you sure can sit here and run your mouth about shit you don't even know or understand!
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Captain_Qwark posted...

12 is 6th grade btw. No girl in 6th grade looks 20. Maybe a few look 15 or 16 but none of them look 20.

Then it's a good thing the perpetrator and judge think this girl looks 16.

weekoldhotdog posted...

But you sure can sit here and run your mouth about shit you don't even know or understand!

Considering I wasn't even alive when all those events you mentioned happened, I think you are the one posting about stuff they don't understand.

spikethedevil posted...

weekoldhotdog posted...

Relied on us not once but TWICE. Save us America! U boats are sinking all of our trade ships and we're but 4 little islands in the middle of a big ocean, help ussss!

Dude you're falling back to some of your old trolling material try something new. And we never really relied on you at all tbh. You would never of got involved if not for Japan.

Uh, you don't know about the sinking of the Lusitania? Wow, please just stop talking. Your IQ is lower than we originally estimated.
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We kind of gave up on you as the French started shit so we had to deal with that which eventually led to the Battle of Trafalgar where we took out two naval forces at the same time.
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southcoast09 posted...

The UK is too busy making sure people dont have pocket knives.

And licenses for everything.
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weekoldhotdog posted...

Uh, you don't know about the sinking of the Lusitania? Wow, please just stop talking. Your IQ is lower than we originally estimated.

Germany didn't invade the UK during WW1.

DON'T WANT TO BE A UK IDIOT! badadbadabaddba

DON'T LISTEN TO AMERICAN MEDIA badadabaddadba

JUST LISTEN TO ME ON YOUR STEREO badabddbaaba

DON'T FORGET TO QUOTE ME ON GAMEFAQS! baddbaddbadba

welcome to a new kinda demension
where we are not allowed to mention
that 21 year olds shouldn't fuck
with 12 year old chickens

and if you don't LIKE YOU CAN BADBDADBADBADBA
BADABADADBADDDABA
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What was that in English?
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spikethedevil posted...

What was that in English?

It's an ode to your mother.
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Literally resorting to childish insults now lol.
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spikethedevil posted...

Literally resorting to childish insults now lol.

The second I realized you didn't know your history was the second I realized I was talking to a teenager. Basically a child. I had to dumb down my arguement for you to "com-pre-hend"
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