Current Events > Connecticut parents petition to ban transgender track athletes

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http://usatodayhss.com/2018/connecticut-parents-ban-transgender-track-athletes

For the second straight year, a small group of transgender athletes dominated their respective events at the girls track and field state championships in Connecticut. Apparently, the second time through the ringer for some fellow competitors was too much, with parents of those athletes now stepping forward to try to ban those transgender athletes from competing as females.

As reported by the Hartford Courant, the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference allows athletes to compete as members of the gender with which they identify. That means that transgender teenagers can compete alongside cisgender opponents, creating what some feel is an uneven playing field.

Supporters of two petitions to eliminate the transgender regulations claim that their efforts arent aimed at the individual athletes who will be most directly impacted by the regulations. Still, its impossible to overlook the success of Andraya Yearwood, who first spoke about her transition to being a transgender female with the Courant a year ago. In the time since then, Yearwood has captured back-to-back 100-meter State Open titles as a freshman and sophomore. After Yearwood broke out as a freshman she inspired multiple other transgender entrants, according to the Courant.

While parents of opposing runners may deny their petitions have anything to do with the chosen gender identity of the teens in question, its hard to debate the impact such rules and regulations could have on transgender athletes themselves.

A transgender girl is a girl and ought to be treated like a girl, Erin Buzuvis, the law professor who is the director of the Center of Gender and Sexuality Studies at Western New England College, told the Courant. If you start to put limitations or exclusions on their participation, not only do you run the risk of violating state anti-discrimination law but also you are disregarding and disrespecting a population of students based on a core aspect of their identity, which is something that schools should not be in the practice of doing.
I understand that it appears to many people as an inequitable playing field, but they dont have any context or knowledge about how that athletes life would be if she werent transgender. And it would be possible shed be beating their daughters if she was cisgender (someone who identifies with their birth sex).

This law professor is an idiot, and I hope Connecticut can finally get the ball rolling to end this lunacy of boys playing in girls sports in our country.
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Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?
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darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

they are too busy virtue signaling to think about scientific facts of biology

voldothegr8 posted...

This law professor is an idiot

What an good legal argument.

Good
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JE19426 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

This law professor is an idiot

What an good legal argument.

It is, actually.
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darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because Male To Female transsexuals actually make it impossible for their bodies to produce testosterone through hormone therapy? They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.
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good. people who like to discriminate should start more petitions so we know who they are
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I want trans athletes to compete and take every single victory, and break every women's record, until this ends.
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Duncanwii posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because Male To Female transsexuals actually make it impossible for their bodies to produce testosterone through hormone therapy? They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.

I thought minors didn't get the therapy, meaning that they uave whatever tye male body produces during their childhood.

Which is far more than zero.
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Duncanwii posted...

They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.

You failed high school biology eh?
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Duncanwii posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because Male To Female transsexuals actually make it impossible for their bodies to produce testosterone through hormone therapy? They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.

I have seen people say this over and over again.

I mean.

Maybe scientifically, it's true?

But my eyes.

It's just...I'm sorry, but I believe my eyes.

Also what about past testosterone? Earlier in puberty it helped them grow more, it helped them be taller, it helped them be overall stronger. Does that have no bearing here?
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That's the one area where you can't be fair to everyone.

I hate to say it, but I'd rather be fair to double-x chromosome athletes than give transgender athletes a fair pass at defeating opponents who aren't physically built to compete with them.

Genetically, it's just too much of an unfair advantage and taking estrogen won't change that.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I want trans athletes to compete and take every single victory, and break every women's record, until this ends.

next few Olympics will be interesting.
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just make a trans only league

What nonsense is that professor Busuvis spouting?

Is her response to the parents' concerns about the transgender athletes having an unfair advantage really "You don't know. She might still beat your daughters if she was cisgender"?

That isn't really relevant to the reality in which you basically have athletes in Male bodies dominating actual female bodies.
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There are far more differences in males and females than just estrogen/testosterone and private parts.
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If the IOC can establish guidelines that allow transgendered athletes to compete in a fair manner then I don't see why these same guidelines can't be used at other levels of athletics. That is unless there are testing procedures that could be cost-prohibitive for the smaller levels e.g. high school.
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JE19426 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

This law professor is an idiot

What an good legal argument.

He bases his whole premise on "A transgender girl is a girl." Well no, a trans girl is still a boy who identifies as a girl. But a boy none the less who should be competing with the same physical sex. There's a reason almost every sport is separated by sex. Remember when the Williams sisters said they could compete with men then got obliterated by a middle aged drunk? Yeah.
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thelovefist posted...

If the IOC can establish guidelines that allow transgendered athletes to compete in a fair manner then I don't see why these same guidelines can't be used at other levels of athletics. That is unless there are testing procedures that could be cost-prohibitive for the smaller levels e.g. high school.

The IOC is trash and can't do that. They are a corrupt agenda driven organization that hasn't empirically done shit to promote fairness.
Just because the IOC says it's cool, doesn't make it so.

That said, watching trans athletes crush women is totally going to get me to watch again so I guess they succeeded in their real goal.
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yea, it isn't fair for girls to have to compete against people with a natural biological advantage. that is just common sense. I'm all for trans people having their own sporting teams though.

sports are stupid anyway.
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spanky1 posted...

Duncanwii posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because Male To Female transsexuals actually make it impossible for their bodies to produce testosterone through hormone therapy? They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.

I have seen people say this over and over again.

I mean.

Maybe scientifically, it's true?

But my eyes.

It's just...I'm sorry, but I believe my eyes.

Also what about past testosterone? Earlier in puberty it helped them grow more, it helped them be taller, it helped them be overall stronger. Does that have no bearing here?

"Fuck what years of scientific research says, I know in my heart it's all wrong!!!"
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Genocet_10-325 posted...

spanky1 posted...

Duncanwii posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because Male To Female transsexuals actually make it impossible for their bodies to produce testosterone through hormone therapy? They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.

I have seen people say this over and over again.

I mean.

Maybe scientifically, it's true?

But my eyes.

It's just...I'm sorry, but I believe my eyes.

Also what about past testosterone? Earlier in puberty it helped them grow more, it helped them be taller, it helped them be overall stronger. Does that have no bearing here?

"Fuck what years of scientific research says, I know in my heart it's all wrong!!!"

what about past testosterone? Earlier in puberty it helped them grow more, it helped them be taller, it helped them be overall stronger. Does that have no bearing here?

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darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because it's twenty-eighteeeeeeeeeeeeen you bigot!
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Duncanwii posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because Male To Female transsexuals actually make it impossible for their bodies to produce testosterone through hormone therapy? They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.

I say let it stand. Women are the biggest sjws out there so let them have it affect them in a way that isnt fair for once.

If this is making biological females look like worse athletes so they lose scholarships and shit I agree
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Genocet_10-325 posted...

spanky1 posted...

Duncanwii posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Why do people legitimately not understand why people who naturally create testosterone shouldn't compete with people who don't?

Because Male To Female transsexuals actually make it impossible for their bodies to produce testosterone through hormone therapy? They have the same amount as a natural woman does, which is none.

I have seen people say this over and over again.

I mean.

Maybe scientifically, it's true?

But my eyes.

It's just...I'm sorry, but I believe my eyes.

Also what about past testosterone? Earlier in puberty it helped them grow more, it helped them be taller, it helped them be overall stronger. Does that have no bearing here?

"Fuck what years of scientific research says, I know in my heart it's all wrong!!!"

Are you really trying to say women don't have any testosterone or that transgender women didn't develop their bodies under the effects of testosterone before hormone therapy? Or that selectively suspending their therapy wouldn't influence their ability to perform?
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voldothegr8 posted...

He bases his whole premise on "A transgender girl is a girl." Well no, a trans girl is still a boy who identifies as a girl. But a boy none the less who should be competing with the same physical sex.

No, only part of his statement is based on that. The second sentence clearly says you are at risk of violating state law, if you require transgender individuals to compete with their birth sex. Now I don't know if it's true, or not, but if it is breaking the law, then this petition will do nothing unless it's send to Connecticut legislators.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

thelovefist posted...

If the IOC can establish guidelines that allow transgendered athletes to compete in a fair manner then I don't see why these same guidelines can't be used at other levels of athletics. That is unless there are testing procedures that could be cost-prohibitive for the smaller levels e.g. high school.

The IOC is trash and can't do that. They are a corrupt agenda driven organization that hasn't empirically done shit to promote fairness.
Just because the IOC says it's cool, doesn't make it so.

That said, watching trans athletes crush women is totally going to get me to watch again so I guess they succeeded in their real goal.

AFAIK the guidelines they've established are based on quantitative metrics so, even though the IOC is notoriously corrupt, your argument doesn't hold weight.
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Those damn conservatives always ignoring scientific facts

Oh wait
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I mean, people try to say that hormone therapy makes them have the physical capabilities of biological women, but if that is the case then why have these trans athletes dominated every single competition they've entered pretty much?

And why is it always male to female transsexuals? why do you never hear about the female to male ones? probably because they aren't winning many competitions because their biologically male competitors have a natural advantage that no amount of hormones can achieve.

I mean, this is pretty cut and dry to me. I'm gay and even I realize this. It just isn't fair for girls to train themselves to their peak of performance only to be shown up by someone who has a biological advantage.

Please, wake up people! You're defending nonsense!
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how long until a college somewhere starts recruiting for an all-transgender women's sports team and completely dominates everyone
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