Current Events > Who will Bethesda have win the Skyrim civil war?

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Let's revive this debate
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I have no idea who is going to be the canon winner (assuming the next game takes place after and that they even choose to comment on it), but I know that the Stormcloaks winning literally benefits everyone (even the Empire). It's honestly the best possible scenario for everyone except the Thalmor.

Dash_Harber posted...

I have no idea who is going to be the canon winner (assuming the next game takes place after and that they even choose to comment on it), but I know that the Stormcloaks winning literally benefits everyone (even the Empire). It's honestly the best possible scenario for everyone except the Thalmor.

Literally trolling
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Probably the Empire. They're the America of Elder Scrolls.
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Anyone but the Thalmor.
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They won't mention a winner, probably
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It's not gonna be mentioned
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Feel like the story is set up to have the Stormcloaks win. They started with Tamriel being one big Empire, now we're gonna see it with every country out for itself.
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Corrupt_Power posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I have no idea who is going to be the canon winner (assuming the next game takes place after and that they even choose to comment on it), but I know that the Stormcloaks winning literally benefits everyone (even the Empire). It's honestly the best possible scenario for everyone except the Thalmor.

Literally trolling

Not at all.

Think about it. The Thalmor have the Empire in a crippling treaty that allows them to effectively control the Empire and police it, killing off any threats to the Dominion and crippling the Empire whenever they start to stand a chance against them. Even if the Empire wins, they are still going to be under the boot of the Thalmor with the White-Gold Concordat. However, if Skyrim gets its freedom, there are three possible scenarios;
- The Thalmor are forced to dedicate significant resources to retaking Skyrim for the Imperials. In this case, it weakens the Thalmor at no cost to the Empire. This could result in either the Thalmor giving control back to the Empire, giving them back the land without a fight or a waste of resources, or they decide to control it directly, forcing them to commit resources to the continuous rebel uprisings.
- The Thalmor do nothing. Skyrim continues to build an active resistance to the Dominion's expanding sphere of influence. Eventually, the Imperials could form an alliance with the Nords to tear up the Concordat.
- The Thalmor fail to retake it. Incredibly unlikely/near impossible, but it would result in massive losses for the Thalmor, again giving the Empire a new direction to exploit.
Hell, if they 'lost' a few more of their territories and let them grow, only to subjugate them later after an alliance to toss out the Dominion, they'd even be better off. What happens if the Empire wins? Status quo. That's right. The Nords and the Empire both collectively continue to be a puppet state of the Dominion. The Dominion is the real enemy and the only thing the Nords hate more than the Empire are the Dominion.

I sided with the Empire every time, but I feel like the Stormcloaks would lead to a more interesting sequel, what with the Dominion at war against a divided Empire.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Corrupt_Power posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I have no idea who is going to be the canon winner (assuming the next game takes place after and that they even choose to comment on it), but I know that the Stormcloaks winning literally benefits everyone (even the Empire). It's honestly the best possible scenario for everyone except the Thalmor.

Literally trolling

Not at all.

Think about it. The Thalmor have the Empire in a crippling treaty that allows them to effectively control the Empire and police it, killing off any threats to the Dominion and crippling the Empire whenever they start to stand a chance against them. Even if the Empire wins, they are still going to be under the boot of the Thalmor with the White-Gold Concordat. However, if Skyrim gets its freedom, there are three possible scenarios;
- The Thalmor are forced to dedicate significant resources to retaking Skyrim for the Imperials. In this case, it weakens the Thalmor at no cost to the Empire. This could result in either the Thalmor giving control back to the Empire, giving them back the land without a fight or a waste of resources, or they decide to control it directly, forcing them to commit resources to the continuous rebel uprisings.
- The Thalmor do nothing. Skyrim continues to build an active resistance to the Dominion's expanding sphere of influence. Eventually, the Imperials could form an alliance with the Nords to tear up the Concordat.
- The Thalmor fail to retake it. Incredibly unlikely/near impossible, but it would result in massive losses for the Thalmor, again giving the Empire a new direction to exploit.
Hell, if they 'lost' a few more of their territories and let them grow, only to subjugate them later after an alliance to toss out the Dominion, they'd even be better off. What happens if the Empire wins? Status quo. That's right. The Nords and the Empire both collectively continue to be a puppet state of the Dominion. The Dominion is the real enemy and the only thing the Nords hate more than the Empire are the Dominion.

You're really giving the stormcloaks too much credit

The only reason they can even handle the Imperials at all is because they're still recovering from the Thalmor invasions

Stormcloaks are repeatedly described as not being able to handle the eventual Thalmor onslaught that would occur with the fall of Imperial hold in the region
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Let's be real, the Thalmor is fucking up Skyrim either way because they aren't unified. They already lost.
If there wasn't a civil war, they'd have a chance like Hammerfell.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Corrupt_Power posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I have no idea who is going to be the canon winner (assuming the next game takes place after and that they even choose to comment on it), but I know that the Stormcloaks winning literally benefits everyone (even the Empire). It's honestly the best possible scenario for everyone except the Thalmor.

Literally trolling

Not at all.

Think about it. The Thalmor have the Empire in a crippling treaty that allows them to effectively control the Empire and police it, killing off any threats to the Dominion and crippling the Empire whenever they start to stand a chance against them. Even if the Empire wins, they are still going to be under the boot of the Thalmor with the White-Gold Concordat. However, if Skyrim gets its freedom, there are three possible scenarios;
- The Thalmor are forced to dedicate significant resources to retaking Skyrim for the Imperials. In this case, it weakens the Thalmor at no cost to the Empire. This could result in either the Thalmor giving control back to the Empire, giving them back the land without a fight or a waste of resources, or they decide to control it directly, forcing them to commit resources to the continuous rebel uprisings.
- The Thalmor do nothing. Skyrim continues to build an active resistance to the Dominion's expanding sphere of influence. Eventually, the Imperials could form an alliance with the Nords to tear up the Concordat.
- The Thalmor fail to retake it. Incredibly unlikely/near impossible, but it would result in massive losses for the Thalmor, again giving the Empire a new direction to exploit.
Hell, if they 'lost' a few more of their territories and let them grow, only to subjugate them later after an alliance to toss out the Dominion, they'd even be better off. What happens if the Empire wins? Status quo. That's right. The Nords and the Empire both collectively continue to be a puppet state of the Dominion. The Dominion is the real enemy and the only thing the Nords hate more than the Empire are the Dominion.

You're really giving the stormcloaks too much credit

The only reason they can even handle the Imperials at all is because they're still recovering from the Thalmor invasions

Stormcloaks are repeatedly described as not being able to handle the eventual Thalmor onslaught that would occur with the fall of Imperial hold in the region

And in this scenario, the Empire still wins because they get a chance to recover and the Thalmor have to waste resources to stop the uprising. That's exactly my point.

AlabamaLove posted...

Let's be real, the Thalmor is fucking up Skyrim either way because they aren't unified. They already lost.
If there wasn't a civil war, they'd have a chance like Hammerfell.

The problem with this is that them being unified under The Empire means that they are all under the heel of the Dominion. IIRC, it's heavily implied that the entire civil war was a plot by the Dominion to weaken the Empire and force them to address it. If everyone stays under the Empire, the Dominion is going to continually do this to everyone and make sure that no one is ever going to recover enough to stand against them. The Empire is a puppet at the moment.

Dash_Harber posted...

And in this scenario, the Empire still wins because they get a chance to recover and the Thalmor have to waste resources to stop the uprising. That's exactly my point.

OR they lose even more resources, manpower by losing Skyrim and then have the Thalmor right up on Cyrodiil

It doesn't make sense tactically to allow the Thalmor to gain a legit hold over Skyrim
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Dash_Harber posted...

AlabamaLove posted...

Let's be real, the Thalmor is fucking up Skyrim either way because they aren't unified. They already lost.
If there wasn't a civil war, they'd have a chance like Hammerfell.

The problem with this is that them being unified under The Empire means that they are all under the heel of the Dominion. IIRC, it's heavily implied that the entire civil war was a plot by the Dominion to weaken the Empire and force them to address it. If everyone stays under the Empire, the Dominion is going to continually do this to everyone and make sure that no one is ever going to recover enough to stand against them. The Empire is a puppet at the moment.

Empire is playing the game and biding its time. Stormcloaks can't see the big picture. Dominion knows this and that's why they wanted to keep the war alive.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

And in this scenario, the Empire still wins because they get a chance to recover and the Thalmor have to waste resources to stop the uprising. That's exactly my point.

OR they lose even more resources, manpower by losing Skyrim and then have the Thalmor right up on Cyrodiil

It doesn't make sense tactically to allow the Thalmor to gain a legit hold over Skyrim

You are entirely assuming that Skyrim will just roll over and let the Dominion control them. Realistically, they are going to have to deal with civil war after civil war.

Your argument is also sort of contradictory. You state that Skyrim is too insignificant to pose a threat to the Thalmor, but you also state that the Empire losing them would cost them a not negligible amount of resources. If it's the former, then they aren't losing anything by letting the Dominion waste resources putting down a continuous stream of rebellions. If it's the latter, then Skyrim would prove more of a problem for the Dominion (since a significant amount of resources means a significant amount of resistance).

AlabamaLove posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

AlabamaLove posted...

Let's be real, the Thalmor is fucking up Skyrim either way because they aren't unified. They already lost.
If there wasn't a civil war, they'd have a chance like Hammerfell.

The problem with this is that them being unified under The Empire means that they are all under the heel of the Dominion. IIRC, it's heavily implied that the entire civil war was a plot by the Dominion to weaken the Empire and force them to address it. If everyone stays under the Empire, the Dominion is going to continually do this to everyone and make sure that no one is ever going to recover enough to stand against them. The Empire is a puppet at the moment.

Empire is playing the game and biding its time. Stormcloaks can't see the big picture. Dominion knows this and that's why they wanted to keep the war alive.

But because of the Concordat, they can't 'play the game'. The Dominion is going to continually start civil wars, execute anyone who could prove a threat, and generally make sure that the Empire will never 'recover'. That's the point of the agreement. It's the Treaty of Versailles, essentially, except that the Dominion take the Empire seriously and aren't going to let them shirk it at any point.

Dash_Harber posted...

I have no idea who is going to be the canon winner (assuming the next game takes place after and that they even choose to comment on it), but I know that the Stormcloaks winning literally benefits everyone (even the Empire). It's honestly the best possible scenario for everyone except the Thalmor.

Bruh wut. Empire is better for everyone
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Dash_Harber posted...

Your argument is also sort of contradictory. You state that Skyrim is too insignificant to pose a threat to the Thalmor, but you also state that the Empire losing them would cost them a not negligible amount of resources. If it's the former, then they aren't losing anything by letting the Dominion waste resources putting down a continuous stream of rebellions. If it's the latter, then Skyrim would prove more of a problem for the Dominion (since a significant amount of resources means a significant amount of resistance).

The Empire wants to hold onto Skyrim because there are natural resources for DAYS
Mines EVERYWHERE

That's the whole reason they're still there, beyond acting as a buffer between Cyrodiil and the Dominion.

Losing Skyrim is a lose-lose for the Empire no matter how the Thalmor-Nord happens
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They prob wont say

But lol @ the fools who think the stormcloaks have any chance of beating the dominion

If the unified empire couldnt win, how tf would ulfric?

Hes one of their puppets they allowed to roam free after being captured to weaken the empire even further

Absolutely no chance
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Your argument is also sort of contradictory. You state that Skyrim is too insignificant to pose a threat to the Thalmor, but you also state that the Empire losing them would cost them a not negligible amount of resources. If it's the former, then they aren't losing anything by letting the Dominion waste resources putting down a continuous stream of rebellions. If it's the latter, then Skyrim would prove more of a problem for the Dominion (since a significant amount of resources means a significant amount of resistance).

The Empire wants to hold onto Skyrim because there are natural resources for DAYS
Mines EVERYWHERE

That's the whole reason they're still there, beyond acting as a buffer between Cyrodiil and the Dominion.

Losing Skyrim is a lose-lose for the Empire no matter how the Thalmor-Nord happens

That's what no one seems to understand; Skyrim is already under control of the Dominion because the Empire is under control of the Dominion.

However, you still can't seem to decide if Skyrim is full of resources or not. If it is, it's a threat to the Dominion and a potential ally in the future against the Dominion if it's allowed to grow. If it isn't, then the Empire loses nothing by letting the Dominion continuously smack their head against the wall trying to get the Nords in line.

Let's put it this way; the Empire wins, what next? They can't employ those resources against the Dominion because the Dominion has infiltrated their administration and has the legal power of summary execution against anyone who may rally support against them. The Empire goes back to status quo and continues to be a puppet state in all but name.

Lordgold666 posted...

They prob wont say

But lol @ the fools who think the stormcloaks have any chance of beating the dominion

If the unified empire couldnt win, how tf would ulfric?

Hes one of their puppets they allowed to roam free after being captured to weaken the empire even further

Absolutely no chance

Who said they did?

Dash_Harber posted...

Let's put it this way; the Empire wins, what next? They can't employ those resources against the Dominion because the Dominion has infiltrated their administration and has the legal power of summary execution against anyone who may rally support against them. The Empire goes back to status quo and continues to be a puppet state in all but name.

I don't see why it all has to stay in Skyrim
Holding the Thalmor off at the Jerall mountains and then allowing a state like Hammerfell to action guerilla campaign against the Dominion is the better long term plan for them

and then bide time to prepare against another war
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Let's put it this way; the Empire wins, what next? They can't employ those resources against the Dominion because the Dominion has infiltrated their administration and has the legal power of summary execution against anyone who may rally support against them. The Empire goes back to status quo and continues to be a puppet state in all but name.

I don't see why it all has to stay in Skyrim
Holding the Thalmor off at the Jerall mountains and then allowing a state like Hammerfell to action guerilla campaign against the Dominion is the better long term plan for them

and then bide time to prepare against another war

How do they go about executing that plan? Anyone suggests it, and the Dominion can legally have him executed/imprisoned/tortured. They try to do that, and the Thalmor just start a civil war in Hammerfell. The White-Gold Concordat is gangrene and they are never going to stop the Thalmor as long as the Thalmor have legal carte blanche to commit any sort of espionage campaign they want in the Empire's territory.

Zack_Attackv1 posted...

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FTFY.

bump
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What are the ramifications of the emperors assassination?

How does it affect the Skyrim civil war?

Will the Thalmor gain more control? Will the Dominion try to take over again, maybe succeed?

Could the famous Dovahkiin/Dragonborn lay claim to the throne? Could he/she be considered a divine resurrection of the Dragonborn bloodline that ended with Martin Septim?
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Draw or stalemate unless prior game save is uploaded to BETHESDACLOUD(TM)*.

*NOTE: pc hardware data sold off to advertisers

iPhone_7 posted...

What are the ramifications of the emperors assassination?

How does it affect the Skyrim civil war?

Will the Thalmor gain more control? Will the Dominion try to take over again, maybe succeed?

Could the famous Dovahkiin/Dragonborn lay claim to the throne? Could he/she be considered a divine resurrection of the Dragonborn bloodline that ended with Martin Septim?

The Dovahkiin will fade into obscurity like all TES protagonists do.

As for the Emperor's assassination, I guess it all depends on who his successor is.
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Even though I'm pro-Empire, if Bethesda chooses, they might choose Stormcloaks. They seem to be pushing a narrative of the Empire's decline throughout the whole series. They probably won't say who won tho unless they pull another SURPRISE DRAGON BREAK
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I read a theory that the Emperor may have planned his own assassination.

Various characters mention that they believe there will soon be a bigger war. He probably knows that hes universally despised and wont live long to see the next war. He orders the hit on himself so that a younger more capable ruler can lead the Empire against the Dominion.
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Goats posted...

VoightKent posted...

uhh look at Rome versus Germania, who won duh

Rome never had to deal with anything like the Aldmeri Dominion eating up it's provinces maiq

I mean, if you squint a bit, you could compare it to Ottomans and Byzantines.
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It doesn't matter who wins the civil war, because the Thalmor are going to step in and crush everyone afterwards. It's the only way to keep things with a consistent canon.
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Goats posted...

The Dragonborn is forced into a deal with Hermaeus Mora at the end of Dragonborn. Who pretty much spells out that it's inevitable for the Dragonborn to become his eternal bitchboy. He's not going to be able to help Skyrim avoid what is coming zubat

I mean the DB belongs to all the other Princes too lmao. And Sithis... and... Akatosh?
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They'll retcon it so that it didn't happen and they won't have to answer challenging questions. Then Pete Hines will parade a shit eating grin and dribble a little bit.
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