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FaultyGourry 06/08/18 10:17:24 PM #101:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... Okay, so you aren't reading what I said + you're stupidly understating what dude's doing because you agree with him. Gotcha Uh huh. Do your namesake, stfu and quit demonizing people going through a situation you've never even come close to having to deal with. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902806331] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, so you aren't reading what I said + you're stupidly understating what dude's doing because you agree with him. Gotcha</quote> Uh huh. Do your namesake, stfu and quit demonizing people going through a situation you've never even come close to having to deal with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bobbysjoby 06/08/18 10:18:45 PM #102:	Suicide= selfish Might not be a nice thing to say but its fucking true <cite>bobbysjoby posted [p:902806392] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>Suicide= selfish Might not be a nice thing to say but its fucking true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/08/18 10:29:42 PM #103:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... I like when idiots who've never had to experience vile and chronic mental pain talk about how "suicide is selfish" I like how people can't perceive how "you should deal with your suffering because of ME" is selfish I don't even care that anger is one of the five stages of grief, morons that lack perspective saying shit like this are a massive part of the problem and it's too funny that they can't figure that out --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902806907] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>I like when idiots who've never had to experience vile and chronic mental pain talk about how "suicide is selfish" I like how people can't perceive how "you should deal with your suffering because of ME" is selfish I don't even care that anger is one of the five stages of grief, morons that lack perspective saying shit like this are a massive part of the problem and it's too funny that they can't figure that out</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/08/18 10:38:52 PM #104:	Okay, real talk. I've struggled with depression my entire life off and on, and suicide is selfish and dumb as fuck. I would never think of doing that to my mother and sister, much less a kid if I had one. Suicide is objectively selfish in most every case. You're doing it for yourself regardless of how it's going to affect the people who care about you. I'm not here to judge, but god damn, let's just call a spade a spade --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:902807364] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>Okay, real talk. I've struggled with depression my entire life off and on, and suicide is selfish and dumb as fuck. I would never think of doing that to my mother and sister, much less a kid if I had one. Suicide is objectively selfish in most every case. You're doing it for yourself regardless of how it's going to affect the people who care about you. I'm not here to judge, but god damn, let's just call a spade a spade</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/08/18 10:43:26 PM #105:	FaultyGourry posted... ShutTheF---_Up posted... Okay, so you aren't reading what I said + you're stupidly understating what dude's doing because you agree with him. Gotcha Uh huh. Do your namesake, stfu and quit demonizing people going through a situation you've never even come close to having to deal with. I'll continue to demonize people who actively contribute to the suicide problem and are too stupid to realize it. --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902807586] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, so you aren't reading what I said + you're stupidly understating what dude's doing because you agree with him. Gotcha</quote> Uh huh. Do your namesake, stfu and quit demonizing people going through a situation you've never even come close to having to deal with.</quote> I'll continue to demonize people who actively contribute to the suicide problem and are too stupid to realize it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/08/18 10:43:59 PM #106:	Solid Snake07 posted... Okay, real talk. I've struggled with depression my entire life off and on, and suicide is selfish and dumb as fuck. I would never think of doing that to my mother and sister, much less a kid if I had one. Suicide is objectively selfish in most every case. You're doing it for yourself regardless of how it's going to affect the people who care about you. I'm not here to judge, but god damn, let's just call a spade a spade If you're in the mindset where it seems like the ideal option, I would imagine it to be very difficult to justify choosing a "less objectively selfish" option tbh. I can't speak to his circumstances, but I know exactly what barriers can be found at my own edge and therefore I know exactly what would hold me back if I was in a position to consider such a thing. Conversely, I know how the world would look if said barriers were no longer in play. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902807616] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, real talk. I've struggled with depression my entire life off and on, and suicide is selfish and dumb as fuck. I would never think of doing that to my mother and sister, much less a kid if I had one. Suicide is objectively selfish in most every case. You're doing it for yourself regardless of how it's going to affect the people who care about you. I'm not here to judge, but god damn, let's just call a spade a spade</quote> If you're in the mindset where it seems like the ideal option, I would imagine it to be very difficult to justify choosing a "less objectively selfish" option tbh. I can't speak to his circumstances, but I know exactly what barriers can be found at my own edge and therefore I know exactly what would hold me back if I was in a position to consider such a thing. Conversely, I know how the world would look if said barriers were no longer in play.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darksaber310 06/08/18 10:47:24 PM #107:	Just because you've tricked yourselves into thinking it's some noble thing to do, go parouse some of the survivor's blogs, go listen to the soul annihilating clip of that poor mother finding her son after he did it. There's nothing good or right about it, and all you do is pawn off all that pain on those around you. It's not some two week thing either, I just had a breakthrough with a friend who's sister did it 20 years ago and it's still a weight on her back today. This romanticism is extraordinarily harmful. Shame on you for propagating it. --- Once again snatching defeat, From the jaws of victory. <cite>Darksaber310 posted [p:902807781] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>Just because you've tricked yourselves into thinking it's some noble thing to do, go parouse some of the survivor's blogs, go listen to the soul annihilating clip of that poor mother finding her son after he did it. There's nothing good or right about it, and all you do is pawn off all that pain on those around you. It's not some two week thing either, I just had a breakthrough with a friend who's sister did it 20 years ago and it's still a weight on her back today. This romanticism is extraordinarily harmful. Shame on you for propagating it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 06/08/18 10:48:29 PM #108:	I don't blame him for suicide, not at all. Suicide is a great solution, and one that ends the pain and suffering quickly if done correctly. --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:902807837] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>I don't blame him for suicide, not at all. Suicide is a great solution, and one that ends the pain and suffering quickly if done correctly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/08/18 10:51:11 PM #109:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... FaultyGourry posted... ShutTheF---_Up posted... Okay, so you aren't reading what I said + you're stupidly understating what dude's doing because you agree with him. Gotcha Uh huh. Do your namesake, stfu and quit demonizing people going through a situation you've never even come close to having to deal with. I'll continue to demonize people who actively contribute to the suicide problem and are too stupid to realize it. Oh yes, because somebody lamenting about a person who already went through with it is sooo much worse than somebody saying "WELL IT'S OK THEY DID IT! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!". I'm sure borderline condoning suicide is sure to tackle the problem correctly. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902807963] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, so you aren't reading what I said + you're stupidly understating what dude's doing because you agree with him. Gotcha</quote> Uh huh. Do your namesake, stfu and quit demonizing people going through a situation you've never even come close to having to deal with.</quote> I'll continue to demonize people who actively contribute to the suicide problem and are too stupid to realize it.</quote> Oh yes, because somebody lamenting about a person who already went through with it is sooo much worse than somebody saying "WELL IT'S OK THEY DID IT! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!". I'm sure borderline condoning suicide is sure to tackle the problem correctly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/08/18 10:51:44 PM #110:	Darksaber310 posted... Just because you've tricked yourselves into thinking it's some noble thing to do, go parouse some of the survivor's blogs, go listen to the soul annihilating clip of that poor mother finding her son after he did it. There's nothing good or right about it, and all you do is pawn off all that pain on those around you. It's not some two week thing either, I just had a breakthrough with a friend who's sister did it 20 years ago and it's still a weight on her back today. This romanticism is extraordinarily harmful. Shame on you for propagating it. How far from the abyss have you dabbled, just out of curiosity? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902807996] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darksaber310 posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you've tricked yourselves into thinking it's some noble thing to do, go parouse some of the survivor's blogs, go listen to the soul annihilating clip of that poor mother finding her son after he did it. There's nothing good or right about it, and all you do is pawn off all that pain on those around you. It's not some two week thing either, I just had a breakthrough with a friend who's sister did it 20 years ago and it's still a weight on her back today. This romanticism is extraordinarily harmful. Shame on you for propagating it.</quote> How far from the abyss have you dabbled, just out of curiosity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/08/18 10:57:16 PM #111:	Darksaber310 posted... Just because you've tricked yourselves into thinking it's some noble thing to do Nobody has done this. If you can't read, don't post. FaultyGourry posted... Oh yes, because somebody lamenting about a person who already went through with it is sooo much worse than somebody saying "WELL IT'S OK THEY DID IT! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!" I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness. --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902808284] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darksaber310 posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you've tricked yourselves into thinking it's some noble thing to do</quote> Nobody has done this. If you can't read, don't post. <cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>Oh yes, because somebody lamenting about a person who already went through with it is sooo much worse than somebody saying "WELL IT'S OK THEY DID IT! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!"</quote> I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/08/18 10:58:34 PM #112:	There's also a hell of a lot more irony in writing off suicide as 'selfish' when you weren't even given a choice to be born, but that's one of those 'uncomfortable truths' --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902808342] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>There's also a hell of a lot more irony in writing off suicide as 'selfish' when you weren't even given a choice to be born, but that's one of those 'uncomfortable truths'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 06/08/18 11:08:05 PM #113:	I believe there's circumstances where it's selfish and circumstances where it isn't. One can't really say a person in their 50s with no elderly parents to take care of, no children, no spouse, and virtually little or no friends would be selfish for choosing to end their life. But you can certainly say someone who does have those aspects present in their life to be selfish for choosing that route. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:902808940] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>I believe there's circumstances where it's selfish and circumstances where it isn't. One can't really say a person in their 50s with no elderly parents to take care of, no children, no spouse, and virtually little or no friends would be selfish for choosing to end their life. But you can certainly say someone who does have those aspects present in their life to be selfish for choosing that route.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/08/18 11:18:36 PM #114:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness. You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902809500] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness.</quote> You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/08/18 11:24:04 PM #115:	LOL. "It's detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones to criticize someone who's publicly shitting on their best friend for killing themselves" You don't even believe the words you're saying. Look, I get it, you agree with the guy, but it's really stupid how you're painting him out as a victim --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902809780] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>LOL. "It's detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones to criticize someone who's publicly shitting on their best friend for killing themselves" You don't even believe the words you're saying. Look, I get it, you agree with the guy, but it's really stupid how you're painting him out as a victim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/08/18 11:24:39 PM #116:	FaultyGourry posted... ShutTheF---_Up posted... I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness. You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse. Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902809812] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness.</quote> You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse.</quote> Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/08/18 11:26:11 PM #117:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... LOL. "It's detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones to criticize someone who's publicly shitting on their best friend for killing themselves" You don't even believe the words you're saying. Look, I get it, you agree with the guy, but it's really stupid how you're painting him out as a victim "Don't speak ill of the dead. But that guy who's hurting from losing the dead? Ya. Fuck that guy." When you're attacking him for his grieving process, you're damn right he's a victim. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902809892] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>LOL. "It's detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones to criticize someone who's publicly shitting on their best friend for killing themselves" You don't even believe the words you're saying. Look, I get it, you agree with the guy, but it's really stupid how you're painting him out as a victim</quote> "Don't speak ill of the dead. But that guy who's hurting from losing the dead? Ya. Fuck that guy." When you're attacking him for his grieving process, you're damn right he's a victim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/08/18 11:30:10 PM #118:	FaultyGourry posted... "Don't speak ill of the dead. But that guy who's hurting from losing the dead? Ya. Fuck that guy." Ok I'm gonna assume you're trolling by this point. I'm not attacking the guy for feeling hurt, I'm attacking him for publicly shaming his best friend who went through with it and acting as if he was all-knowing about his inner demons. If you haven't figured this out by now when I've been spelling it out for you geniuses for 3 straight pages, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah of course, it's natural to feel angry and frustrated. You can feel angry and frustrated without completely shitting on the dude on a public platform while simultaneously demonstrating that you didn't even care to know what he was going through. --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902810093] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>"Don't speak ill of the dead. But that guy who's hurting from losing the dead? Ya. Fuck that guy." </quote> Ok I'm gonna assume you're trolling by this point. I'm not attacking the guy for feeling hurt, I'm attacking him for publicly shaming his best friend who went through with it and acting as if he was all-knowing about his inner demons. If you haven't figured this out by now when I've been spelling it out for you geniuses for 3 straight pages, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah of course, it's natural to feel angry and frustrated. You can feel angry and frustrated without completely shitting on the dude on a public platform while simultaneously demonstrating that you didn't even care to know what he was going through.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/08/18 11:33:10 PM #119:	Ignore me and everything I am saying. That's totally awesome. Thanks! --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902810257] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>Ignore me and everything I am saying. That's totally awesome. Thanks!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/08/18 11:34:04 PM #120:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... FaultyGourry posted... ShutTheF---_Up posted... I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness. You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse. Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious. Very close. About a full year after my mom's suicide, I just stopped. I stopped going to work. I stopped paying bills. I was days away from being evicted and the only thought going through my mind was to drive to Colorado, spread her ashes and then kill myself. I knew it would hurt my dad, but I felt he was strong enough to make it through it. And yes, right or wrong, that was a selfish thought. I got lucky that a friend of the family found out, somehow, that I was about to be evicted and took me in. Had she not done that, I wouldn't be here today. When the friend of the family took me in, I immediately got myself back on track. There were bumps, and there always will be, but the thought of leeching off somebodies kindness is a feeling I couldn't stand. That's was able to move foward and get my life back on track. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902810306] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness.</quote> You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse.</quote> Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious.</quote> Very close. About a full year after my mom's suicide, I just stopped. I stopped going to work. I stopped paying bills. I was days away from being evicted and the only thought going through my mind was to drive to Colorado, spread her ashes and then kill myself. I knew it would hurt my dad, but I felt he was strong enough to make it through it. And yes, right or wrong, that was a selfish thought. I got lucky that a friend of the family found out, somehow, that I was about to be evicted and took me in. Had she not done that, I wouldn't be here today. When the friend of the family took me in, I immediately got myself back on track. There were bumps, and there always will be, but the thought of leeching off somebodies kindness is a feeling I couldn't stand. That's was able to move foward and get my life back on track.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/08/18 11:34:18 PM #121:	AngryGrandpa posted... I've been through vile and chronic mental pain and more. I think suicide is selfish if you have family and friends that care about you. If you have nothing like myself then it's not selfish. Idk it all depends. I just want to expand on this a bit. 1. Chronic Mental Issues is not an excuse to justify anything else, and there should not be an exception made for suicide. 2. Perhaps he felt like he was doing the world a favor, but the fact that we're having this conversation means he's objectively wrong. If he was actually such a shitstain on humanity that killing himself was the best option, we'd all be saying very different and much meaner things. 3. Even if suicide is selfish, that is not a license to be a dick to the people affected by the suicide --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:902810319] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>AngryGrandpa posted...</cite> <quote>I've been through vile and chronic mental pain and more. I think suicide is selfish if you have family and friends that care about you. If you have nothing like myself then it's not selfish. Idk it all depends. </quote> I just want to expand on this a bit. 1. Chronic Mental Issues is not an excuse to justify anything else, and there should not be an exception made for suicide. 2. Perhaps he felt like he was doing the world a favor, but the fact that we're having this conversation means he's objectively wrong. If he was actually such a shitstain on humanity that killing himself was the best option, we'd all be saying very different and much meaner things. 3. Even if suicide is selfish, that is not a license to be a dick to the people affected by the suicide</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/08/18 11:39:06 PM #122:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... FaultyGourry posted... "Don't speak ill of the dead. But that guy who's hurting from losing the dead? Ya. Fuck that guy." Ok I'm gonna assume you're trolling by this point. I'm not attacking the guy for feeling hurt, I'm attacking him for publicly shaming his best friend who went through with it and acting as if he was all-knowing about his inner demons. If you haven't figured this out by now when I've been spelling it out for you geniuses for 3 straight pages, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah of course, it's natural to feel angry and frustrated. You can feel angry and frustrated without completely shitting on the dude on a public platform while simultaneously demonstrating that you didn't even care to know what he was going through. Again I'll ask you. Have you ever had someone you care about commit suicide? Do you have any idea what the people who have had to deal with that go through? You're attacking for 'acting as if he was all knowing about his inner demons' without considering Kilmer's own problems. You're a hypocrite of the finest order. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902810567] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>"Don't speak ill of the dead. But that guy who's hurting from losing the dead? Ya. Fuck that guy." </quote> Ok I'm gonna assume you're trolling by this point. I'm not attacking the guy for feeling hurt, I'm attacking him for publicly shaming his best friend who went through with it and acting as if he was all-knowing about his inner demons. If you haven't figured this out by now when I've been spelling it out for you geniuses for 3 straight pages, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah of course, it's natural to feel angry and frustrated. You can feel angry and frustrated without completely shitting on the dude on a public platform while simultaneously demonstrating that you didn't even care to know what he was going through.</quote> Again I'll ask you. Have you ever had someone you care about commit suicide? Do you have any idea what the people who have had to deal with that go through? You're attacking for 'acting as if he was all knowing about his inner demons' without considering Kilmer's own problems. You're a hypocrite of the finest order.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/08/18 11:47:02 PM #123:	FaultyGourry posted... Again I'll ask you. Have you ever had someone you care about commit suicide? Do you have any idea what the people who have had to deal with that go through? That is not relevant. There have been many instances of people losing loved ones to suicide and grieving with simple disappointment and sadness as opposed to anger. Everyone grieves differently. I've had people tell me they'd be frustrated/angry and it's completely understandable. What isn't understandable is going on social media and posting about how your friend's a shithead. FaultyGourry posted... You're attacking for 'acting as if he was all knowing about his inner demons' without considering Kilmer's own problems. I'm basing this off of what he said in the article. His own demons aren't quite relevant when he's essentially telling someone (with no earthly idea of what he was dealing with) that he should've just fucking got over it. It's cute that you think shitting on someone for making the decision to publicly shame him is equal to that instance, but it's not. --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902810982] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>Again I'll ask you. Have you ever had someone you care about commit suicide? Do you have any idea what the people who have had to deal with that go through?</quote> That is not relevant. There have been many instances of people losing loved ones to suicide and grieving with simple disappointment and sadness as opposed to anger. Everyone grieves differently. I've had people tell me they'd be frustrated/angry and it's completely understandable. What isn't understandable is going on social media and posting about how your friend's a shithead. <cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>You're attacking for 'acting as if he was all knowing about his inner demons' without considering Kilmer's own problems. </quote> I'm basing this off of what he said in the article. His own demons aren't quite relevant when he's essentially telling someone (with no earthly idea of what he was dealing with) that he should've just fucking got over it. It's cute that you think shitting on someone for making the decision to publicly shame him is equal to that instance, but it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Allanon23 06/08/18 11:52:29 PM #124:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... His own demons aren't quite relevant when he's essentially telling someone (with no earthly idea of what he was dealing with) that he should've just fucking got over it. Uhhh, Bourdain was pretty open with what he was dealing with. He has talked about failed suicide attempts in interviews. I'm sure as a friend Kilmer got even more information. --- Attention campers, lunch has been cancelled today due to lack of hustle. Deal with it. Currently LP: Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky <cite>Allanon23 posted [p:902811274] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>His own demons aren't quite relevant when he's essentially telling someone (with no earthly idea of what he was dealing with) that he should've just fucking got over it. </quote> Uhhh, Bourdain was pretty open with what he was dealing with. He has talked about failed suicide attempts in interviews. I'm sure as a friend Kilmer got even more information.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/08/18 11:53:18 PM #125:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... That is not relevant. Of course you don't think it is. What a surprise. ShutTheF---_Up posted... I'm basing this off of what he said in the article. His own demons aren't quite relevant when he's essentially telling someone (with no earthly idea of what he was dealing with) that he should've just fucking got over it. It's cute that you think shitting on someone for making the decision to publicly shame him is equal to that instance, but it's not. Ya. How dare a guy spill his emotions and let others know what he thinks. God forbid a man hurting have an opinion that doesn't match up with yours. You should shame him and his own mental anguish because I'm sure that will help his mental state. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902811315] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>That is not relevant.</quote> Of course you don't think it is. What a surprise. <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>I'm basing this off of what he said in the article. His own demons aren't quite relevant when he's essentially telling someone (with no earthly idea of what he was dealing with) that he should've just fucking got over it. It's cute that you think shitting on someone for making the decision to publicly shame him is equal to that instance, but it's not.</quote> Ya. How dare a guy spill his emotions and let others know what he thinks. God forbid a man hurting have an opinion that doesn't match up with yours. You should shame him and his own mental anguish because I'm sure that will help his mental state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/09/18 12:05:32 AM #126:	FaultyGourry posted... Of course you don't think it is. What a surprise. It's absolutely foolish to think that you wouldn't be able to empathize with people who've lost loved ones to suicide unless its happened to you. There are people in this topic who've experienced that, and they don't agree with Val's actions. This isn't complicated. FaultyGourry posted... Ya. How dare a guy spill his emotions and let others know what he thinks. God forbid a man hurting have an opinion that doesn't match up with yours. You should shame him and his own mental anguish because I'm sure that will help his mental state. Lol, "help his mental state". First of all, he's not gonna read any of this shit I'm posting on some niche ass message board. Second of all, he posted it... on social media. Do you honestly think, for even one second, that talking shit about someone who just died on a public platform wouldn't garner even the slightest bit of outrage? --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902811873] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>Of course you don't think it is. What a surprise.</quote> It's absolutely foolish to think that you wouldn't be able to empathize with people who've lost loved ones to suicide unless its happened to you. There are people in this topic who've experienced that, and they don't agree with Val's actions. This isn't complicated. <cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>Ya. How dare a guy spill his emotions and let others know what he thinks. God forbid a man hurting have an opinion that doesn't match up with yours. You should shame him and his own mental anguish because I'm sure that will help his mental state.</quote> Lol, "help his mental state". First of all, he's not gonna read any of this shit I'm posting on some niche ass message board. Second of all, he posted it... on social media. Do you honestly think, for even one second, that talking shit about someone who just died on a public platform wouldn't garner even the slightest bit of outrage?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/09/18 12:29:37 AM #127:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... It's absolutely foolish to think that you wouldn't be able to empathize with people who've lost loved ones to suicide unless its happened to you. There are people in this topic who've experienced that, and they don't agree with Val's actions. This isn't complicated. There are also a ton of people who do agree with Val's action or even just aren't criticizing him in a horrible time for him. It's not so foolish when you refuse to empathize and think about why Kilmer is feeling the way he is. You just want to empathize with those you agree with. Maybe you should reflect on that. ShutTheF---_Up posted... Lol, "help his mental state". First of all, he's not gonna read any of this shit I'm posting on some niche ass message board. Second of all, he posted it... on social media. Do you honestly think, for even one second, that talking shit about someone who just died on a public platform wouldn't garner even the slightest bit of outrage? Oh. He posted something on social media. That means it's ok to shame and lambast him for how he deals with his pain. Hey, I'm sure there were people on social media who voiced their pain and desire for suicide. I guess you're ok with the 'outrage' spewed at those people as well. But fuck this. We're done here. You obviously don't give a shit about peoples mental health, otherwise you wouldn't be demonizing Kilmer for the state he's in. Bang on about mental illness all you want, you and I both know you really don't give a shit about it. You just want to jump aboard the outrage train and pretend you care. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902812846] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>It's absolutely foolish to think that you wouldn't be able to empathize with people who've lost loved ones to suicide unless its happened to you. There are people in this topic who've experienced that, and they don't agree with Val's actions. This isn't complicated.</quote> There are also a ton of people who do agree with Val's action or even just aren't criticizing him in a horrible time for him. It's not so foolish when you refuse to empathize and think about why Kilmer is feeling the way he is. You just want to empathize with those you agree with. Maybe you should reflect on that. <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, "help his mental state". First of all, he's not gonna read any of this shit I'm posting on some niche ass message board. Second of all, he posted it... on social media. Do you honestly think, for even one second, that talking shit about someone who just died on a public platform wouldn't garner even the slightest bit of outrage?</quote> Oh. He posted something on social media. That means it's ok to shame and lambast him for how he deals with his pain. Hey, I'm sure there were people on social media who voiced their pain and desire for suicide. I guess you're ok with the 'outrage' spewed at those people as well. But fuck this. We're done here. You obviously don't give a shit about peoples mental health, otherwise you wouldn't be demonizing Kilmer for the state he's in. Bang on about mental illness all you want, you and I both know you really don't give a shit about it. You just want to jump aboard the outrage train and pretend you care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AcFan87 06/09/18 12:34:44 AM #128:	Minute posted... Suicide is extremely selfish. Sorry, it is. It's the ultimate selfish move. What about his daughter, his family, his friends, his filming crew? All those people are broken because he took the quick way out. "shut the fuck up" yeah okay I get it, it's disrespectful to say that, but it's entirely true. The dude was a genuinely good guy it seemed like, and it's fucking awful the world is deprived of that... oh hey, that's another reason it's selfish. Should he have been forced to stay in the limelight? No, and maybe he was forced and this was his way out, which makes it all the more tragic. However, it's still a selfish act. In some cases its not selfish. If you have a terminal illness that's going to kill you in a matter of months and you are going to be in agonizing pain those last few months as your body literally shuts down and essentially makes you a prisoner, is it selfish to speed it up and give yourself a quick and painless end if you're going to die anyway? <cite>AcFan87 posted [p:902813076] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>Minute posted...</cite> <quote>Suicide is extremely selfish. Sorry, it is. It's the ultimate selfish move. What about his daughter, his family, his friends, his filming crew? All those people are broken because he took the quick way out. "shut the fuck up" yeah okay I get it, it's disrespectful to say that, but it's entirely true. The dude was a genuinely good guy it seemed like, and it's fucking awful the world is deprived of that... oh hey, that's another reason it's selfish. Should he have been forced to stay in the limelight? No, and maybe he was forced and this was his way out, which makes it all the more tragic. However, it's still a selfish act.</quote> In some cases its not selfish. If you have a terminal illness that's going to kill you in a matter of months and you are going to be in agonizing pain those last few months as your body literally shuts down and essentially makes you a prisoner, is it selfish to speed it up and give yourself a quick and painless end if you're going to die anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/09/18 12:41:25 AM #129:	FaultyGourry posted... There are also a ton of people who do agree with Val's action or even just aren't criticizing him in a horrible time for him. It's not so foolish when you refuse to empathize and think about why Kilmer is feeling the way he is. You just want to empathize with those you agree with. Maybe you should reflect on that. Lol. We're just going in circles here. You think that because I don't agree with publicly shaming his friend, that I don't empathize with anybody. That's not how it works. It amazes me after all this discussion you can't separate the two. FaultyGourry posted... Oh. He posted something on social media. That means it's ok to shame and lambast him for how he deals with his pain. Hey, I'm sure there were people on social media who voiced their pain and desire for suicide. I guess you're ok with the 'outrage' spewed at those people as well. Guess what? When you post something on a public platform, people are going to see it, and people are going to react to it. Talking shit about an influential person who tragically took his own life? Yeah, that's gonna cause outrage. It doesn't take a goddamn rocket scientist to figure that out. And I don't even know where you're trying to go with that second part. There's a bit of a difference between someone talking shit about their friend who passed and someone making a cry for help. FaultyGourry posted... You obviously don't give a shit about peoples mental health, otherwise you wouldn't be demonizing Kilmer for the state he's in. Wait, time out. You spent this whole damn topic arguing about how mental health issues don't justify suicide (and they don't) but now he can't be held accountable for posting stupid shit online because of his mental health? Yeah, I don't think so. Shut the fuck up. --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902813331] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>There are also a ton of people who do agree with Val's action or even just aren't criticizing him in a horrible time for him. It's not so foolish when you refuse to empathize and think about why Kilmer is feeling the way he is. You just want to empathize with those you agree with. Maybe you should reflect on that.</quote> Lol. We're just going in circles here. You think that because I don't agree with publicly shaming his friend, that I don't empathize with anybody. That's not how it works. It amazes me after all this discussion you can't separate the two. <cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>Oh. He posted something on social media. That means it's ok to shame and lambast him for how he deals with his pain. Hey, I'm sure there were people on social media who voiced their pain and desire for suicide. I guess you're ok with the 'outrage' spewed at those people as well.</quote> Guess what? When you post something on a public platform, people are going to see it, and people are going to react to it. Talking shit about an influential person who tragically took his own life? Yeah, that's gonna cause outrage. It doesn't take a goddamn rocket scientist to figure that out. And I don't even know where you're trying to go with that second part. There's a bit of a difference between someone talking shit about their friend who passed and someone making a cry for help. <cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>You obviously don't give a shit about peoples mental health, otherwise you wouldn't be demonizing Kilmer for the state he's in.</quote> Wait, time out. You spent this whole damn topic arguing about how mental health issues don't justify suicide (and they don't) but now he can't be held accountable for posting stupid shit online because of his mental health? Yeah, I don't think so. Shut the fuck up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Correct_Facts 06/09/18 12:41:37 AM #130:	He's not wrong. <cite>Correct_Facts posted [p:902813342] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>He's not wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 06/09/18 1:08:33 AM #131:	There always has to be that one coward piece of shit that only trash talks after a person dies. https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1005128596351004672 --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:902814308] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>There always has to be that one coward piece of shit that only trash talks after a person dies. https://twitter.com/David_Leavitt/status/1005128596351004672</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/09/18 1:09:25 AM #132:	ShutTheF---_Up posted... Lol. We're just going in circles here. You think that because I don't agree with publicly shaming his friend, that I don't empathize with anybody. That's not how it works. It amazes me after all this discussion you can't separate the two. Maybe you shouldn't be calling others 'bad people' for holding what you consider the wrong opinion in their time of grief if you want others to think you're not empathetic. ShutTheF---_Up posted... Guess what? When you post something on a public platform, people are going to see it, and people are going to react to it. Talking shit about an influential person who tragically took his own life? Yeah, that's gonna cause outrage. It doesn't take a goddamn rocket scientist to figure that out. And I don't even know where you're trying to go with that second part. There's a bit of a difference between someone talking shit about their friend who passed and someone making a cry for help. There's also a bit of difference between somebody shitting on someone and somebody saying things out of anger and pain because they're hurting. It would only take a little empathy to be able to tell the difference. I figure after all this time banging about others being empathetic you'd be able to figure that out. But what should I or anyone else expect from you. Calling others bad people, morons, sociopaths and trying to insinuate they're stupid for not agreeing with you has been your modus operandi this entire thread. ShutTheF---_Up posted... You spent this whole damn topic arguing about how mental health issues don't justify suicide (and they don't) but now he can't be held accountable for posting stupid shit online because of his mental health? Where the hell did I argue that mental health doesn't justify suicide? Go ahead. Point it out. I'm not angry at or attacking Bourdain for his actions (which I stated before but I guess you just ignored it). I don't know what he was dealing with. I may have been in the same position he was, but everyone deals with depression differently. Same thing with Kilmer. I'm also not going to be angry or attack him because i don't know what he is dealing with. I may have been in his position before, but everybody deals with a suicide differently. Grow up and learn that people deal with shit differently. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902814345] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>Lol. We're just going in circles here. You think that because I don't agree with publicly shaming his friend, that I don't empathize with anybody. That's not how it works. It amazes me after all this discussion you can't separate the two.</quote> Maybe you shouldn't be calling others 'bad people' for holding what you consider the wrong opinion in their time of grief if you want others to think you're not empathetic. <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>Guess what? When you post something on a public platform, people are going to see it, and people are going to react to it. Talking shit about an influential person who tragically took his own life? Yeah, that's gonna cause outrage. It doesn't take a goddamn rocket scientist to figure that out. And I don't even know where you're trying to go with that second part. There's a bit of a difference between someone talking shit about their friend who passed and someone making a cry for help.</quote> There's also a bit of difference between somebody shitting on someone and somebody saying things out of anger and pain because they're hurting. It would only take a little empathy to be able to tell the difference. I figure after all this time banging about others being empathetic you'd be able to figure that out. But what should I or anyone else expect from you. Calling others bad people, morons, sociopaths and trying to insinuate they're stupid for not agreeing with you has been your modus operandi this entire thread. <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>You spent this whole damn topic arguing about how mental health issues don't justify suicide (and they don't) but now he can't be held accountable for posting stupid shit online because of his mental health?</quote> Where the hell did I argue that mental health doesn't justify suicide? Go ahead. Point it out. I'm not angry at or attacking Bourdain for his actions (which I stated before but I guess you just ignored it). I don't know what he was dealing with. I may have been in the same position he was, but everyone deals with depression differently. Same thing with Kilmer. I'm also not going to be angry or attack him because i don't know what he is dealing with. I may have been in his position before, but everybody deals with a suicide differently. Grow up and learn that people deal with shit differently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/09/18 1:21:35 AM #133:	FaultyGourry posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... FaultyGourry posted... ShutTheF---_Up posted... I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness. You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse. Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious. Very close. About a full year after my mom's suicide, I just stopped. I stopped going to work. I stopped paying bills. I was days away from being evicted and the only thought going through my mind was to drive to Colorado, spread her ashes and then kill myself. I knew it would hurt my dad, but I felt he was strong enough to make it through it. And yes, right or wrong, that was a selfish thought. I got lucky that a friend of the family found out, somehow, that I was about to be evicted and took me in. Had she not done that, I wouldn't be here today. When the friend of the family took me in, I immediately got myself back on track. There were bumps, and there always will be, but the thought of leeching off somebodies kindness is a feeling I couldn't stand. That's was able to move foward and get my life back on track. That was a very good answer. Thank you for that :) --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902814808] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness.</quote> You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse.</quote> Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious.</quote> Very close. About a full year after my mom's suicide, I just stopped. I stopped going to work. I stopped paying bills. I was days away from being evicted and the only thought going through my mind was to drive to Colorado, spread her ashes and then kill myself. I knew it would hurt my dad, but I felt he was strong enough to make it through it. And yes, right or wrong, that was a selfish thought. I got lucky that a friend of the family found out, somehow, that I was about to be evicted and took me in. Had she not done that, I wouldn't be here today. When the friend of the family took me in, I immediately got myself back on track. There were bumps, and there always will be, but the thought of leeching off somebodies kindness is a feeling I couldn't stand. That's was able to move foward and get my life back on track.</quote> That was a very good answer. Thank you for that :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FaultyGourry 06/09/18 1:37:34 AM #134:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... FaultyGourry posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... FaultyGourry posted... ShutTheF---_Up posted... I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness. You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse. Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious. Very close. About a full year after my mom's suicide, I just stopped. I stopped going to work. I stopped paying bills. I was days away from being evicted and the only thought going through my mind was to drive to Colorado, spread her ashes and then kill myself. I knew it would hurt my dad, but I felt he was strong enough to make it through it. And yes, right or wrong, that was a selfish thought. I got lucky that a friend of the family found out, somehow, that I was about to be evicted and took me in. Had she not done that, I wouldn't be here today. When the friend of the family took me in, I immediately got myself back on track. There were bumps, and there always will be, but the thought of leeching off somebodies kindness is a feeling I couldn't stand. That's was able to move foward and get my life back on track. That was a very good answer. Thank you for that :) Cheers, I guess. I dunno if I'd call that a good answer so much as just my own personal story of getting lucky and finding something to keep me going. Not even sure if moving forward because I hate the feeling of being a leech is healthy, but it's been working so I can't knock it I guess. --- You can tell a lot about a man by how he strangles you. "Hypocrisy does not invalidate a point." - S. Rose. https://imgur.com/ZA4vp0y <cite>FaultyGourry posted [p:902815345] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted...</cite> <quote>I never once defended suicide or said it's 'ok' in this topic. I've said countless times already that you can disagree with something while empathizing with it. And considering the suicide rate is rapidly growing, now would be a good time to get your head out of your ass and learn the concept of mental illness.</quote> You don't get to talk of empathy when you refuse to empathize yourself. People with mental illness are not the only people in the world with emotions that go through hard times. You treating a someone grieving as bad person because they're hurting does fucking nothing to help the mental health of people. In fact, it's extremely detrimental to suicide survivors and their loved ones. You'd think you would know that with all your 'knowledge' of mental illness and emotion. Get off your high horse.</quote> Again, how far have you personally been from the abyss? Just curious.</quote> Very close. About a full year after my mom's suicide, I just stopped. I stopped going to work. I stopped paying bills. I was days away from being evicted and the only thought going through my mind was to drive to Colorado, spread her ashes and then kill myself. I knew it would hurt my dad, but I felt he was strong enough to make it through it. And yes, right or wrong, that was a selfish thought. I got lucky that a friend of the family found out, somehow, that I was about to be evicted and took me in. Had she not done that, I wouldn't be here today. When the friend of the family took me in, I immediately got myself back on track. There were bumps, and there always will be, but the thought of leeching off somebodies kindness is a feeling I couldn't stand. That's was able to move foward and get my life back on track.</quote> That was a very good answer. Thank you for that :)</quote> Cheers, I guess. I dunno if I'd call that a good answer so much as just my own personal story of getting lucky and finding something to keep me going. Not even sure if moving forward because I hate the feeling of being a leech is healthy, but it's been working so I can't knock it I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy462 06/09/18 7:31:28 AM #135:	OctilIery posted... Fluttershy462 posted... All suicide is selfish. I feel so bad for his daughter. Couldnt he have fucking toughed it out for her? OctilIery posted... Nope. Anyone saying it's selfish is incredibly insensitive towards the issues that lead to suicide. ??? --- Now hyped for: Pokemon Pikachu and Eevee Let's Go <cite>Fluttershy462 posted [p:902823454] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fluttershy462 posted...</cite> <quote>All suicide is selfish. I feel so bad for his daughter. Couldnt he have fucking toughed it out for her? </quote> <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Nope. Anyone saying it's selfish is incredibly insensitive towards the issues that lead to suicide. </quote></quote> ???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 06/09/18 7:44:25 AM #136:	If you have kids, suicide is selfish up until they're fully self-sufficient and no longer in need of any kind of parental advice, so like 40. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:902823767] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>If you have kids, suicide is selfish up until they're fully self-sufficient and no longer in need of any kind of parental advice, so like 40.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShutTheF---_Up 06/09/18 12:06:53 PM #137:	FaultyGourry posted... Maybe you shouldn't be calling others 'bad people' for holding what you consider the wrong opinion in their time of grief if you want others to think you're not empathetic. lol You still don't get it. Pretty impressive --- Another Conflict alt cause mawds don't like me <cite>ShutTheF---_Up posted [p:902832565] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>FaultyGourry posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you shouldn't be calling others 'bad people' for holding what you consider the wrong opinion in their time of grief if you want others to think you're not empathetic.</quote> lol You still don't get it. Pretty impressive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KINDERFELD 06/09/18 12:25:34 PM #138:	The dude is hurt and pissed that Bourdain was so unaware or didn't care that his existence meant so much to so many people around the world. --- the polyfilla way look strong in the weakness of the gaps <cite>KINDERFELD posted [p:902833438] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote>The dude is hurt and pissed that Bourdain was so unaware or didn't care that his existence meant so much to so many people around the world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaCuck 06/09/18 7:53:37 PM #139:	AlphaCuck posted... Suggesting it's even understandable to do it is also a bad thing to do because it can give someone the notion that it's okay to take that way out. https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/09/health/suicide-contagion-explainer/index.html <cite>AlphaCuck posted [p:902858403] in Val Kilmer... [t:76686745]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlphaCuck posted...</cite> <quote>Suggesting it's even understandable to do it is also a bad thing to do because it can give someone the notion that it's okay to take that way out.</quote> https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/09/health/suicide-contagion-explainer/index.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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