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htaeD
06/02/18 12:10:44 PM
#401:


yeah those first three are news to me, Corrik
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:10:48 PM
#402:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Corrik posted...
We know Donker, Nana, Alakazam, Arti are town.

We can 99% say MI is town.

We know I am town.

We know Crescent is almost assuredly town.

This leaves 7 slots. Han, Foolmo, Forceful, Shad, DYL, Death, ColZach.


Why do we know Donker, Zam and Arti are town?

I agree with MI.

I don't agree with you.

I don't agree with Crescent.

And even in the case of all the things you listed, why was Scare not on the final list of people we "dont know" about? You listed 14 people while 15 are alive.

Scare is 100% town. I forgot him. So yes we can Lynch all 7 of those people and not lose and the game is alrdy won.
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:13:06 PM
#403:


In fact that is kind of annoying. This game is alrdy won and we have to waste like another week or so to finish it up. That is lame.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/02/18 12:13:07 PM
#404:


I actually agree with you about Scare being town, but I thought it was odd that he wasn't even on your list.

Donker, Zam and Arti being in the 'confirmed town' pile feels wrong though. If even one of them is scum then we just straight up lose following your plan.
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:14:02 PM
#405:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I actually agree with you about Scare being town, but I thought it was odd that he wasn't even on your list.

Donker, Zam and Arti being in the 'confirmed town' pile feels wrong though. If even one of them is scum then we just straight up lose following your plan.

I assure you, this game is already won for town. The question just is if we will achieve a perfect or not.
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:15:21 PM
#406:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I actually agree with you about Scare being town, but I thought it was odd that he wasn't even on your list.

Donker, Zam and Arti being in the 'confirmed town' pile feels wrong though. If even one of them is scum then we just straight up lose following your plan.

I also fail to see how anyone playing the game cannot have zam confirmed town. The Lynch day 1 was scum-scum with their two strongest roles. At literal worst you could have zam at Indy. Definitely can't have him as scum.
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:18:13 PM
#407:


If we need rankings of the most likely scum in those 7. It is.

Towniest to scummiest

Death
Colzach
DYL
Forceful
Foolmo
Han
Shad
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htaeD
06/02/18 12:19:46 PM
#408:


put Shad just beneath me and I'd agree
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htaeD
06/02/18 12:20:21 PM
#409:


allthough Arti and Newdonk (and Scare sorta) are far from townconfirmed
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:21:16 PM
#410:


htaeD posted...
allthough Arti and Newdonk (and Scare sorta) are far from townconfirmed

All 3 of them dudes play is so town that it is sickening.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/02/18 12:21:23 PM
#411:


Corrik posted...
I also fail to see how anyone playing the game cannot have zam confirmed town. The Lynch day 1 was scum-scum with their two strongest roles. At literal worst you could have zam at Indy. Definitely can't have him as scum.


Based on what exactly?

Especially with as hard as I was pushing for zam at the end of the day and based on all the crappy posts zam made during the day, scum could easily have hopped back to zam to save their scum/scum lynch and then if zam flipped town thrown all the shade on me for pushing for him so hard in the 11th hour.

I can buy you saying that you feel zam is likely town, but not that he is 100% town. Nothing that has happened would give that level of certainty.
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:22:58 PM
#412:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Corrik posted...
I also fail to see how anyone playing the game cannot have zam confirmed town. The Lynch day 1 was scum-scum with their two strongest roles. At literal worst you could have zam at Indy. Definitely can't have him as scum.


Based on what exactly?

Especially with as hard as I was pushing for zam at the end of the day and based on all the crappy posts zam made during the day, scum could easily have hopped back to zam to save their scum/scum lynch and then if zam flipped town thrown all the shade on me for pushing for him so hard in the 11th hour.

I can buy you saying that you feel zam is likely town, but not that he is 100% town. Nothing that has happened would give that level of certainty.

If he was scum, THEY WOULD HAVE all jumped on to him and talked a merry tale of how they lynched scum day 1. There is zero chance the lynch was scum-scum-scum and that they let their power roles go before an easy castaway. All they had to do was have Alakazam "slip". It woulda been way too easy.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/02/18 12:23:19 PM
#413:


Corrik posted...
Towniest to scummiest

Death
Colzach
DYL
Forceful
Foolmo
Han
Shad


FD
Shad
Foolmo
Death
Han
DYL
ColZach

If I had to arrange this particular grouping of 7.

But I'd put Zam at the bottom of the list and Arti near the bottom, so it's hardly a sufficient grouping.
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:24:28 PM
#414:


Why anyone is even arguing this point anymore is just scummy. You are trying to derail days with obvious town.

Any iso, reads, retellings of alakazam's interactions is literal wastes of time. He is confirmed town. Deal with it. Yeah, his play is terrible, but it is not changing his alignment.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/02/18 12:48:29 PM
#415:


I'm against the mass claim btw.

I have a pretty good idea who the protection is (for a couple of days now, actually) and since we have the cop in place doing work I think the best course of action is to stay the course with our cop safely providing intelligence.

A mass claim would just upset the balance we have right now and might make this person more apparent as our protection which is something I hope to avoid.
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Corrik
06/02/18 12:54:14 PM
#416:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I'm against the mass claim btw.

I have a pretty good idea who the protection is (for a couple of days now, actually) and since we have the cop in place doing work I think the best course of action is to stay the course with our cop safely providing intelligence.

A mass claim would just upset the balance we have right now and might make this person more apparent as our protection which is something I hope to avoid.

Scum would be against a mass claim.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/02/18 12:56:39 PM
#417:


Mass claim benefits scum. Scum would be in favor of a mass claim.

So tell me, are you scum?
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:01:18 PM
#418:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Mass claim benefits scum. Scum would be in favor of a mass claim.

So tell me, are you scum?

Claims favor town.
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Crescent-Moon
06/02/18 1:01:59 PM
#419:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
But if I die I won't be able to hammer anymore :(

If this is the way today is going to go, then protection should at least find a way to hint who they saved N2 so that when I die, in case prot dies tonight, it's possible to figure who that person is because that's as good as an inno scan.

I read this as "Protection please give us a hint who you are so you can die tonight".

HanOfTheNekos posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Han you make me uncomfortable by being parts me (ie not as much free time as THE OLD SIR CHRIS) and also by defending me. Like I am all grr, I am killing Han and such. Why you not get defensive?


I actually have a gut feeling that you are Scum, and this is all part of some convoluted plot to make Scumbuddy Corrik look really good.

If Scum are going to do something as ridiculous as use their own kidnap on teammate Chris, it makes zero sense for the plan to not be even more ridiculous.

Also this is the only post I can find from Han that even gives serious "justification" to his voting Corrik day 3.

##Vote: Han. That's enough on Han.

ScareChan posted...
NewDonker posted...
2. Corrik: He's been on the Chris lynch since day 1, and figured out the whole kidnap plot. While Corrik seems like the type to bus his teammates, Chris seems to be usually strong scum, it would make sense to cross country bus* someone like an Alakazam or a deadpool, especially considering Chris's role. Also, when Corrik started the bus of Chris, we wasn't even really a lynch leader. But who knows what kind of wacky gambit Corrik is pulling.


man Corrik just makes me invisible. I was literally the one that figured out it was a kidnapper and not a janitor before anyone else

Also I believe Alakazam brought it up first when he made a post about De Killers kidnapping people before killing them.

Also I don't care what Corrik says about it and I'm putting Arti and Donker on the list. I agree that Zam is probably town through circumstance.

Towniest to Scummiest:

Shad
ColZach
Death
Donker
Foolmo
Arti
DYL
FD
Han

The one problem I tend to have with lists like this is the middle is always blurry.

Corrik, why is Shad at the very bottom of your list? The only time I really felt anything bad about him was early day 1.

P.S. Can people not be getting hostile with other people please? This game is stressful enough as it is. I hate to admit it but Han was right in that I have been dropping off.
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:02:34 PM
#420:


Also, we should be making the 7 i listed claim before anyone else. Force them into claims before they can see what everyone else is to fake them.
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Forceful_Dragon
06/02/18 1:03:25 PM
#421:


At this stage? I don't think so.

We are in a great position right now and a mass claim could only serve to upset things or give scum easier options on their kills at night.
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Crescent-Moon
06/02/18 1:03:34 PM
#422:


Corrik posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Mass claim benefits scum. Scum would be in favor of a mass claim.

So tell me, are you scum?

Claims favor town.

I don't see a significant reason to massclaim today though. Tomorrow's going to be a lot murkier than today is and I think massclaiming now might only hurt it in that regard.
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:03:56 PM
#423:


Crescent-Moon posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
But if I die I won't be able to hammer anymore :(

If this is the way today is going to go, then protection should at least find a way to hint who they saved N2 so that when I die, in case prot dies tonight, it's possible to figure who that person is because that's as good as an inno scan.

I read this as "Protection please give us a hint who you are so you can die tonight".

HanOfTheNekos posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Han you make me uncomfortable by being parts me (ie not as much free time as THE OLD SIR CHRIS) and also by defending me. Like I am all grr, I am killing Han and such. Why you not get defensive?


I actually have a gut feeling that you are Scum, and this is all part of some convoluted plot to make Scumbuddy Corrik look really good.

If Scum are going to do something as ridiculous as use their own kidnap on teammate Chris, it makes zero sense for the plan to not be even more ridiculous.

Also this is the only post I can find from Han that even gives serious "justification" to his voting Corrik day 3.

##Vote: Han. That's enough on Han.

ScareChan posted...
NewDonker posted...
2. Corrik: He's been on the Chris lynch since day 1, and figured out the whole kidnap plot. While Corrik seems like the type to bus his teammates, Chris seems to be usually strong scum, it would make sense to cross country bus* someone like an Alakazam or a deadpool, especially considering Chris's role. Also, when Corrik started the bus of Chris, we wasn't even really a lynch leader. But who knows what kind of wacky gambit Corrik is pulling.


man Corrik just makes me invisible. I was literally the one that figured out it was a kidnapper and not a janitor before anyone else

Also I believe Alakazam brought it up first when he made a post about De Killers kidnapping people before killing them.

Also I don't care what Corrik says about it and I'm putting Arti and Donker on the list. I agree that Zam is probably town through circumstance.

Towniest to Scummiest:

Shad
ColZach
Death
Donker
Foolmo
Arti
DYL
FD
Han

The one problem I tend to have with lists like this is the middle is always blurry.

Corrik, why is Shad at the very bottom of your list? The only time I really felt anything bad about him was early day 1.

P.S. Can people not be getting hostile with other people please? This game is stressful enough as it is. I hate to admit it but Han was right in that I have been dropping off.

Shad isn't really trying and that parked vote day 1 says a ton.
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:04:27 PM
#424:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
At this stage? I don't think so.

We are in a great position right now and a mass claim could only serve to upset things or give scum easier options on their kills at night.

Scum has lost already.
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Crescent-Moon
06/02/18 1:06:11 PM
#425:


Corrik posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
At this stage? I don't think so.

We are in a great position right now and a mass claim could only serve to upset things or give scum easier options on their kills at night.

Scum has lost already.

I'm not going to accept this line of thinking. I saw this line of thinking in BFZ. Town got complacent and lost that game days before it realized it did because it was too far up it's own ass.
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Crescent-Moon
06/02/18 1:08:23 PM
#426:


Corrik posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
But if I die I won't be able to hammer anymore :(

If this is the way today is going to go, then protection should at least find a way to hint who they saved N2 so that when I die, in case prot dies tonight, it's possible to figure who that person is because that's as good as an inno scan.

I read this as "Protection please give us a hint who you are so you can die tonight".

HanOfTheNekos posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
Han you make me uncomfortable by being parts me (ie not as much free time as THE OLD SIR CHRIS) and also by defending me. Like I am all grr, I am killing Han and such. Why you not get defensive?


I actually have a gut feeling that you are Scum, and this is all part of some convoluted plot to make Scumbuddy Corrik look really good.

If Scum are going to do something as ridiculous as use their own kidnap on teammate Chris, it makes zero sense for the plan to not be even more ridiculous.

Also this is the only post I can find from Han that even gives serious "justification" to his voting Corrik day 3.

##Vote: Han. That's enough on Han.

ScareChan posted...
NewDonker posted...
2. Corrik: He's been on the Chris lynch since day 1, and figured out the whole kidnap plot. While Corrik seems like the type to bus his teammates, Chris seems to be usually strong scum, it would make sense to cross country bus* someone like an Alakazam or a deadpool, especially considering Chris's role. Also, when Corrik started the bus of Chris, we wasn't even really a lynch leader. But who knows what kind of wacky gambit Corrik is pulling.


man Corrik just makes me invisible. I was literally the one that figured out it was a kidnapper and not a janitor before anyone else

Also I believe Alakazam brought it up first when he made a post about De Killers kidnapping people before killing them.

Also I don't care what Corrik says about it and I'm putting Arti and Donker on the list. I agree that Zam is probably town through circumstance.

Towniest to Scummiest:

Shad
ColZach
Death
Donker
Foolmo
Arti
DYL
FD
Han

The one problem I tend to have with lists like this is the middle is always blurry.

Corrik, why is Shad at the very bottom of your list? The only time I really felt anything bad about him was early day 1.

P.S. Can people not be getting hostile with other people please? This game is stressful enough as it is. I hate to admit it but Han was right in that I have been dropping off.

Shad isn't really trying and that parked vote day 1 says a ton.

Why does it say a ton? He wanted to lynch Deadpool before the Chris lynch was even a thing.
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:12:11 PM
#427:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Corrik posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
At this stage? I don't think so.

We are in a great position right now and a mass claim could only serve to upset things or give scum easier options on their kills at night.

Scum has lost already.

I'm not going to accept this line of thinking. I saw this line of thinking in BFZ. Town got complacent and lost that game days before it realized it did because it was too far up it's own ass.

Then why are you refusing to pressure the scummiest players. You should be trying to force players you think are scum to claim.
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Crescent-Moon
06/02/18 1:13:40 PM
#428:


Corrik posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Corrik posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
At this stage? I don't think so.

We are in a great position right now and a mass claim could only serve to upset things or give scum easier options on their kills at night.

Scum has lost already.

I'm not going to accept this line of thinking. I saw this line of thinking in BFZ. Town got complacent and lost that game days before it realized it did because it was too far up it's own ass.

Then why are you refusing to pressure the scummiest players. You should be trying to force players you think are scum to claim.

That's why my vote is on Han, who as far as I can see has still never made any sort of legitimate claim.
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:15:30 PM
#429:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Corrik posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Corrik posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
At this stage? I don't think so.

We are in a great position right now and a mass claim could only serve to upset things or give scum easier options on their kills at night.

Scum has lost already.

I'm not going to accept this line of thinking. I saw this line of thinking in BFZ. Town got complacent and lost that game days before it realized it did because it was too far up it's own ass.

Then why are you refusing to pressure the scummiest players. You should be trying to force players you think are scum to claim.

That's why my vote is on Han, who as far as I can see has still never made any sort of legitimate claim.

Why stop there?

Why do you only wish one scummy person to claim? Forcing scum to claim early traps them.

You are playing low stakes.
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My Immortal
06/02/18 1:16:10 PM
#430:


I mean our roleblocker is only dead right now because of the stakes you put on him Corrik.

So...
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:17:39 PM
#431:


My Immortal posted...
I mean our roleblocker is only dead right now because of the stakes you put on him Corrik.

So...

I confirmed someone as town. Someone who many suspected was scum. And I did it with scum alrdy in the back pocket to lynch so it had zero poor repercussions.
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Crescent-Moon
06/02/18 1:18:38 PM
#432:


Corrik posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Corrik posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
Corrik posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
At this stage? I don't think so.

We are in a great position right now and a mass claim could only serve to upset things or give scum easier options on their kills at night.

Scum has lost already.

I'm not going to accept this line of thinking. I saw this line of thinking in BFZ. Town got complacent and lost that game days before it realized it did because it was too far up it's own ass.

Then why are you refusing to pressure the scummiest players. You should be trying to force players you think are scum to claim.

That's why my vote is on Han, who as far as I can see has still never made any sort of legitimate claim.

Why stop there?

Why do you only wish one scummy person to claim? Forcing scum to claim early traps them.

You are playing low stakes.

I don't see the reason to play high stakes today. Town certainly has some unclaimed power, and I think letting scum know what that power is is more likely to help them than to hurt them.
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My Immortal
06/02/18 1:19:19 PM
#433:


No. You confirmed someone as town the day that we already had a scum lynch which directly lead to that person dying that night.

If eaed didn't claim he would be able to confirm himself as town any other day and still be alive & have more information on blocks.

Nothing about that was good.
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htaeD
06/02/18 1:19:31 PM
#434:


honestly while I am done with day1 yet, I do want to point out a few things about Han

in topic2, Han says he doesnt like the prof lynch but okays it since deadpool cracks under pressure
All the while he whines that DYL and Shad should be pressured as well
later he excuses himself from voting deadpool by applying pressure to zam some more. (which Shad calls him out for doing, and anyone else who tries the same)
Then
as soon as MI says he okays pressure on MI
Han takes that chance to vote DYL and asks MI to join him. paired with his eventual vote for day1, this is a bad look

and I want his claim first

##Vote: han
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My Immortal
06/02/18 1:19:59 PM
#435:


You got a power role killed that blocked two scum kills in two nights. So good job there.
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htaeD
06/02/18 1:20:47 PM
#436:


My Immortal posted...
No. You confirmed someone as town the day that we already had a scum lynch which directly lead to that person dying that night.

If eaed didn't claim he would be able to confirm himself as town any other day and still be alive & have more information on blocks.

Nothing about that was good.


well it would have led to your death night3 most likely though
not that Corrik could have anticipated that he'd snag a roleblocker
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:21:32 PM
#437:


My Immortal posted...
No. You confirmed someone as town the day that we already had a scum lynch which directly lead to that person dying that night.

If eaed didn't claim he would be able to confirm himself as town any other day and still be alive & have more information on blocks.

Nothing about that was good.

Everything about it was good. I generated content for the game. That is what town is supposed to do. I confirmed an alignment. Which is even better. My player slot has accomplished as much as town power has this game.
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foolm0r0n
06/02/18 1:21:53 PM
#438:


Still not ready to start playing today but I'll claim, whatever. This is why I kept saying I was playing badly and useless to town though. Shit scans. This is also why D1 I was worried about town being too weak, because this watcher is hella weak only getting the # and not the name, AND there was a miller??? It would be just way too weak of a town.

Lotta Hart, Watcher that only gets the # of targets and not any names, a hick photographer who's seen a bunch of shit in a country with woefully ineffective gun control laws

N1 Corrik 0 (why I instantly knew Turbo's claim was impossible)
N2 Corrik 1 (see: 6.155, but who did it? any claims for this?)
N3 Corrik 0

Let me know if you want me to quote my breadcrumbs (if you want to admit you're non-observant cuz there were were quite a lot)

Why did I watch Corrik every night? I dunno, he kept trying to get power role to protect/scan him so I figured it would provide some info. The N1 scan actually turned out useful against Turbo so I kept doing it.

Also what is ninja vigilante??
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Crescent-Moon
06/02/18 1:22:23 PM
#439:


htaeD posted...
honestly while I am done with day1 yet, I do want to point out a few things about Han

in topic2, Han says he doesnt like the prof lynch but okays it since deadpool cracks under pressure
All the while he whines that DYL and Shad should be pressured as well
later he excuses himself from voting deadpool by applying pressure to zam some more. (which Shad calls him out for doing, and anyone else who tries the same)
Then
as soon as MI says he okays pressure on MI
Han takes that chance to vote DYL and asks MI to join him. paired with his eventual vote for day1, this is a bad look

and I want his claim first

##Vote: han

I noted at the end of day 1 that almost every single vote Han made was a splinter. It wasn't until ~2 minutes left that he voted Deadpool.
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htaeD
06/02/18 1:22:38 PM
#440:


ninjas dont get spotted by trackers, watchers or prostitutes

they cant be seen moving
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My Immortal
06/02/18 1:23:17 PM
#441:


It was a shitty play that got a strong town role killed and having a dead person confirmed town helps us not at all.

I'm not going to argue with you on this.

If you truly don't believe we have a doctor your vote should be on Han since eaed blocked his kill.
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:23:19 PM
#442:


htaeD posted...
and I want his claim first

Now there is a statement I can get behind.
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foolm0r0n
06/02/18 1:23:31 PM
#443:


htaeD posted...
ninjas dont get spotted by trackers, watchers or prostitutes

they cant be seen moving

Then why the hell do I even have this role, god dammit VI
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htaeD
06/02/18 1:23:37 PM
#444:


eaed would have been confirmed anyway, corrik
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htaeD
06/02/18 1:24:17 PM
#445:


oh

full claim now, foolmoron

scans, results, reasons for targets
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My Immortal
06/02/18 1:24:37 PM
#446:


Watcher who doesn't see names seems...

Kind of useless.

Also really weird that you've used it on Corrik 3x.
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:25:12 PM
#447:


foolm0r0n posted...
Still not ready to start playing today but I'll claim, whatever. This is why I kept saying I was playing badly and useless to town though. Shit scans. This is also why D1 I was worried about town being too weak, because this watcher is hella weak only getting the # and not the name, AND there was a miller??? It would be just way too weak of a town.

Lotta Hart, Watcher that only gets the # of targets and not any names, a hick photographer who's seen a bunch of shit in a country with woefully ineffective gun control laws

N1 Corrik 0 (why I instantly knew Turbo's claim was impossible)
N2 Corrik 1 (see: 6.155, but who did it? any claims for this?)
N3 Corrik 0

Let me know if you want me to quote my breadcrumbs (if you want to admit you're non-observant cuz there were were quite a lot)

Why did I watch Corrik every night? I dunno, he kept trying to get power role to protect/scan him so I figured it would provide some info. The N1 scan actually turned out useful against Turbo so I kept doing it.

Also what is ninja vigilante??

What...
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htaeD
06/02/18 1:25:19 PM
#448:


foolm0r0n posted...
Then why the hell do I even have this role, god dammit VI


usually, for the same reason scum gets godfathers a lot
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htaeD
06/02/18 1:25:57 PM
#449:


oh
I focused too much on the rest to see the claim

okay, Corrik, you earned this moment to call out my idiocy!
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Corrik
06/02/18 1:25:58 PM
#450:


htaeD posted...
eaed would have been confirmed anyway, corrik

If he claimed, which I made him do. Thanks. You are welcome.
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