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SciFi 05/23/18 3:33:41 PM #1:	https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2018/05/23/lawsuit-alaska-muslim-prisoners-being-given-meager-food-pork-products-during-ramadan/ [The lawsuit claims] inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals, including being served bologna sandwiches containing pork. The DOC says the bologna was made of turkey and the department is making every effort to accommodate the religious practices of Muslim prisoners. The Alaska lawsuit, filed Tuesday, asks for an emergency injunction that would force the DOC to change its Ramadan dietary policy. "To the best of our ability, in accordance with Islamic law, we are providing our Muslim residents the opportunity to succeed during Ramadan," Edge wrote in an email. Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? --- Imagine Greater <cite>SciFi posted [p:901859165] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2018/05/23/lawsuit-alaska-muslim-prisoners-being-given-meager-food-pork-products-during-ramadan/ <quote>[The lawsuit claims] inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals, including being served bologna sandwiches containing pork. The DOC says the bologna was made of turkey and the department is making every effort to accommodate the religious practices of Muslim prisoners. The Alaska lawsuit, filed Tuesday, asks for an emergency injunction that would force the DOC to change its Ramadan dietary policy. "To the best of our ability, in accordance with Islamic law, we are providing our Muslim residents the opportunity to succeed during Ramadan," Edge wrote in an email.</quote> Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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9I 05/23/18 4:10:39 PM #3:	Muffinz0rz posted... this should be good I thought it would take off, myself --- Nine I <cite>9I posted [p:901861113] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>this should be good</quote> I thought it would take off, myself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 05/23/18 4:13:26 PM #4:	SciFi posted... Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? I think it's more about not violating their religious principles, which includes the kind of foods they can eat. --- https://imgur.com/ByKGlJb https://imgur.com/nZdaA8D https://imgur.com/VBLBILg <cite>CableZL posted [p:901861272] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote>Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? </quote> I think it's more about not violating their religious principles, which includes the kind of foods they can eat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 05/23/18 4:14:53 PM #5:	Did anybody see that guy who ate a pepperoni pizza and then tried to sue little Caesars because it had pork? --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:901861342] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Did anybody see that guy who ate a pepperoni pizza and then tried to sue little Caesars because it had pork?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 05/23/18 4:17:27 PM #6:	The purpose of prisons is for criminals to serve their time and become rehabilitated, not to promote the SJW agenda. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:901861491] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>The purpose of prisons is for criminals to serve their time and become rehabilitated, not to promote the SJW agenda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunmaN1905 05/23/18 4:18:12 PM #7:	Fair, next. <cite>GunmaN1905 posted [p:901861533] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Fair, next.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillWardsPants 05/23/18 4:19:10 PM #8:	Must be quite the quandary, choosing between pacifying your sexual emergency and getting caught, or sticking to your religions dietary restrictions. --- As a wise man once said, "Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again." <cite>BillWardsPants posted [p:901861593] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Must be quite the quandary, choosing between pacifying your sexual emergency and getting caught, or sticking to your religions dietary restrictions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/23/18 4:19:37 PM #9:	southcoast09 posted... Did anybody see that guy who ate a pepperoni pizza and then tried to sue little Caesars because it had pork? Yeah. Some little caesars in Detroit are near high muslium pouplation neighboorhoods so they offer non pork pepperoni --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901861611] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Did anybody see that guy who ate a pepperoni pizza and then tried to sue little Caesars because it had pork?</quote> Yeah. Some little caesars in Detroit are near high muslium pouplation neighboorhoods so they offer non pork pepperoni</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/23/18 4:19:47 PM #10:	SciFi posted... Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? Because the US government can't prevent you from following your religion without very good reasons. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:901861621] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote>Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? </quote> Because the US government can't prevent you from following your religion without very good reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 05/23/18 4:19:55 PM #11:	What if someones religion involved not being jailed? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:901861631] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>What if someones religion involved not being jailed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 05/23/18 4:21:14 PM #12:	JE19426 posted... SciFi posted... Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? Because the US government can't prevent you from following your religion without very good reasons. I wonder how CE would react if the prisoner in question was Jewish? <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:901861709] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote>Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? </quote> Because the US government can't prevent you from following your religion without very good reasons.</quote> I wonder how CE would react if the prisoner in question was Jewish?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/23/18 4:21:22 PM #13:	refmon posted... What if someones religion involved not being jailed? That would likely be one of those very good reasons the US government can stop you following your religion. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:901861716] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>refmon posted...</cite> <quote>What if someones religion involved not being jailed?</quote> That would likely be one of those very good reasons the US government can stop you following your religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 05/23/18 4:22:48 PM #14:	ElatedVenusaur posted... JE19426 posted... SciFi posted... Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? Because the US government can't prevent you from following your religion without very good reasons. I wonder how CE would react if a cake was involved? --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:901861776] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElatedVenusaur posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote>Okay wait, why is "Islamic Law" being 'practiced' in a jail cell to begin with?? </quote> Because the US government can't prevent you from following your religion without very good reasons.</quote> I wonder how CE would react if a cake was involved?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/23/18 4:25:15 PM #15:	Bloodychess posted... I wonder how CE would react if a cake was involved? They'd probably complain about cakes being served to inmates, and argue that being in jail should revoke your cake eating privileges. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:901861908] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how CE would react if a cake was involved? </quote> They'd probably complain about cakes being served to inmates, and argue that being in jail should revoke your cake eating privileges.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/23/18 4:26:14 PM #16:	JE19426 posted... Bloodychess posted... I wonder how CE would react if a cake was involved? They'd probably complain about cakes being served to inmates, and argue that being in jail should revoke your cake eating privileges. I would... --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901861961] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how CE would react if a cake was involved? </quote> They'd probably complain about cakes being served to inmates, and argue that being in jail should revoke your cake eating privileges.</quote> I would...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/23/18 4:27:59 PM #17:	Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:901862050] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 05/23/18 4:29:29 PM #18:	UnfairRepresent posted... Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork Good point. --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:901862119] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork</quote> Good point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 05/23/18 4:29:42 PM #19:	UnfairRepresent posted... Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork Or chicken. I'm pretty sure those options would actually be cheaper, so I mean, it's obvious what's actually happening here. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:901862134] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork</quote> Or chicken. I'm pretty sure those options would actually be cheaper, so I mean, it's obvious what's actually happening here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 05/23/18 4:29:58 PM #20:	UnfairRepresent posted... Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork bologna or tofu --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:901862151] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork</quote> bologna or tofu</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 05/23/18 4:34:46 PM #21:	BillWardsPants posted... Must be quite the quandary, choosing between pacifying your sexual emergency and getting caught, or sticking to your religions dietary restrictions. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:901862418] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillWardsPants posted...</cite> <quote>Must be quite the quandary, choosing between pacifying your sexual emergency and getting caught, or sticking to your religions dietary restrictions.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 05/23/18 5:27:29 PM #22:	UnfairRepresent posted... Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork This --- When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850) <cite>DavidWong posted [p:901865509] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly not serving Jews, Muslims and vegheads pork is not much to ask Just have prisons offer a veg alternative that Muslims can have if they dont go for pork</quote> This</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 05/23/18 5:31:14 PM #23:	SciFi posted... inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals, i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:901865736] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote> inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals,</quote> i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 05/23/18 5:33:16 PM #24:	refmon posted... What if someones religion involved not being jailed? I think they have to accommodate religious beliefs that are within reason. Not serving pork is reasonable, not being jailed isnt. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:901865858] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>refmon posted...</cite> <quote>What if someones religion involved not being jailed?</quote> I think they have to accommodate religious beliefs that are within reason. Not serving pork is reasonable, not being jailed isnt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 05/23/18 5:34:13 PM #25:	ROBANN_88 posted... SciFi posted... inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals, i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved It's not so much meager meals. It's fasting from dawn to sunset. Iftar is usually a standard meal. --- When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850) <cite>DavidWong posted [p:901865924] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote> inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals,</quote> i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved</quote> It's not so much meager meals. It's fasting from dawn to sunset. Iftar is usually a standard meal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackHorse6969 05/23/18 5:38:14 PM #26:	these inmates acting like they are being forced to eat what they are served. if they dont know if a food has pork, they can just ask. if it does have pork, then dont eat it. only eat the things that do not have pork --- https://imgur.com/dMnyy10 <cite>BlackHorse6969 posted [p:901866138] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>these inmates acting like they are being forced to eat what they are served. if they dont know if a food has pork, they can just ask. if it does have pork, then dont eat it. only eat the things that do not have pork</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gnomefromnome 05/23/18 5:40:08 PM #27:	...or not getting arrested is good too --- Oh my God... That was the dumbest collection of dumbosity I've ever seen! - Famine https://youtu.be/pOtTxMC1ZZQ <cite>gnomefromnome posted [p:901866261] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>...or not getting arrested is good too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillWardsPants 05/23/18 6:51:43 PM #28:	DavidWong posted... ROBANN_88 posted... SciFi posted... inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals, i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved It's not so much meager meals. It's fasting from dawn to sunset. Iftar is usually a standard meal. This begs the question; if you have to fast from dawn to dusk, why would you want to live in a place like Anchorage, AK, which has like 18 hours of daylight during Ramadan? --- As a wise man once said, "Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again." <cite>BillWardsPants posted [p:901870218] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote> inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals,</quote> i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved</quote> It's not so much meager meals. It's fasting from dawn to sunset. Iftar is usually a standard meal.</quote> This begs the question; if you have to fast from dawn to dusk, why would you want to live in a place like Anchorage, AK, which has like 18 hours of daylight during Ramadan?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 05/23/18 7:00:35 PM #29:	The American government doesnt need to accommodate the dietary needs of prisoners unless its a matter of health like being allergic to something. You lost your right to practice your religious dietary needs freely when you wound up behind bars, youre in no position to demand the government to cater to your specific needs, youll get the same food every other prisoner gets. --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:901870620] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>The American government doesnt need to accommodate the dietary needs of prisoners unless its a matter of health like being allergic to something. You lost your right to practice your religious dietary needs freely when you wound up behind bars, youre in no position to demand the government to cater to your specific needs, youll get the same food every other prisoner gets.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFVII_REMAKE 05/23/18 7:02:00 PM #30:	People are forgetting that these are Muslim prisoners that raped and killed innocents. Why are you defending these shits? <cite>FFVII_REMAKE posted [p:901870688] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>People are forgetting that these are Muslim prisoners that raped and killed innocents. Why are you defending these shits?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kazi1212 05/23/18 7:10:02 PM #32:	I cant prove it because Im expressing what I personally believe how it should be, I dont know the actual law behind religious dietary needs and how much responsibility prisons have to accommodate those needs. If you know please share the data, it seems it hasnt been decided by courts yet whether prisons must bear the responsibility. --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:901871074] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>I cant prove it because Im expressing what I personally believe how it should be, I dont know the actual law behind religious dietary needs and how much responsibility prisons have to accommodate those needs. If you know please share the data, it seems it hasnt been decided by courts yet whether prisons must bear the responsibility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThePieReborn 05/23/18 7:12:26 PM #35:	To my knowledge, it's all or nothing. If the state accommodates some religious dietary caveats in prison, then it's obligated to do so for all religions within reason. If it doesn't provide for any, it's not necessarily obliged to provide. I'll scope out Westlaw real quick. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:901871209] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>To my knowledge, it's all or nothing. If the state accommodates some religious dietary caveats in prison, then it's obligated to do so for all religions within reason. If it doesn't provide for any, it's not necessarily obliged to provide. I'll scope out Westlaw real quick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 05/23/18 7:14:05 PM #36:	Sure, and? If the legal issue is as clear as you seem to think then clearly these prisons are going to face penalities for violating it so whats the problem --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:901871312] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Sure, and? If the legal issue is as clear as you seem to think then clearly these prisons are going to face penalities for violating it so whats the problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Goggalor_ 05/23/18 7:15:35 PM #37:	Why is this an issue? --- Now playing: God of War Reading: Brave New World by Aldous Huxley <cite>_Goggalor_ posted [p:901871394] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Why is this an issue?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 05/23/18 7:17:48 PM #38:	_Goggalor_ posted... Why is this an issue? Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:901871538] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>Why is this an issue?</quote> Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 05/23/18 7:20:16 PM #39:	ThePieReborn posted... _Goggalor_ posted... Why is this an issue? Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent. To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:901871671] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>Why is this an issue?</quote> Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent.</quote> To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 05/23/18 7:31:10 PM #40:	Kazi1212 posted... ThePieReborn posted... _Goggalor_ posted... Why is this an issue? Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent. To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say Numerous federal circuits have held as much, and this is just a half-assed glance at Westlaw. See: Nelson v. Miller (2009) https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1362058.html Cotton v. Cate (2014) http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2014/06/16/12-15829.pdf LaFevers v. Saffle (1991) https://casetext.com/case/lafevers-v-saffle Tl;dr, the state needs a compelling state end to justify deprivation of capacity to practice religious tenets. For example, beard length restrictions are okay because of the safety risk of shit being hidden. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:901872291] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>Why is this an issue?</quote> Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent.</quote> To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say</quote> Numerous federal circuits have held as much, and this is just a half-assed glance at Westlaw. See: Nelson v. Miller (2009) https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1362058.html Cotton v. Cate (2014) http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2014/06/16/12-15829.pdf LaFevers v. Saffle (1991) https://casetext.com/case/lafevers-v-saffle Tl;dr, the state needs a compelling state end to justify deprivation of capacity to practice religious tenets. For example, beard length restrictions are okay because of the safety risk of shit being hidden.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 05/23/18 7:32:47 PM #41:	Kazi1212 posted... ThePieReborn posted... _Goggalor_ posted... Why is this an issue? Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent. To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say Yes Kosher prison meals exist for a reason <cite>Axiom posted [p:901872366] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>Why is this an issue?</quote> Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent.</quote> To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say</quote> Yes Kosher prison meals exist for a reason</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kayoticdreamz 05/23/18 7:33:20 PM #42:	shockthemonkey posted... Kazi1212 posted... I cant prove it because Im expressing what I personally believe how it should be, I dont know the actual law behind religious dietary needs and how much responsibility prisons have to accommodate those needs. If you know please share the data, it seems it hasnt been decided by courts yet whether prisons must bear the responsibility. You ever read the Bill of Rights? this gets lost once convicted. prisoners don't have the same rights as a free man. proof? prisoners are not allowed to carry guns and can be searched at will at anytime without a warrant. edit: amendment 13 Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. so yeah....slavery is legal as a form of punishment when convicted for a crime. Kazi1212 posted... The American government doesnt need to accommodate the dietary needs of prisoners unless its a matter of health like being allergic to something. You lost your right to practice your religious dietary needs freely when you wound up behind bars, youre in no position to demand the government to cater to your specific needs, youll get the same food every other prisoner gets. this you're in jail for committing a crime. you are there for two purposes: 1. serve time for being a criminal 2. proof through good behavior why you should be let out anytime soon and be given a second chance. sometimes even let out early if you can prove you are not a criminal anymore. so short of a food allergy, get yourself, serve your time, and stop pretending anyone has to give a shit about your personal requirements to live. don't want to live in a shitty jail cell for X number of years? don't be a felon. it's that simple. <cite>kayoticdreamz posted [p:901872397] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>I cant prove it because Im expressing what I personally believe how it should be, I dont know the actual law behind religious dietary needs and how much responsibility prisons have to accommodate those needs. If you know please share the data, it seems it hasnt been decided by courts yet whether prisons must bear the responsibility.</quote> You ever read the Bill of Rights?</quote> this gets lost once convicted. prisoners don't have the same rights as a free man. proof? prisoners are not allowed to carry guns and can be searched at will at anytime without a warrant. edit: amendment 13 <quote> Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. so yeah....slavery is legal as a form of punishment when convicted for a crime. </quote> <cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote>The American government doesnt need to accommodate the dietary needs of prisoners unless its a matter of health like being allergic to something. You lost your right to practice your religious dietary needs freely when you wound up behind bars, youre in no position to demand the government to cater to your specific needs, youll get the same food every other prisoner gets.</quote> this you're in jail for committing a crime. you are there for two purposes: 1. serve time for being a criminal 2. proof through good behavior why you should be let out anytime soon and be given a second chance. sometimes even let out early if you can prove you are not a criminal anymore. so short of a food allergy, get yourself, serve your time, and stop pretending anyone has to give a shit about your personal requirements to live. don't want to live in a shitty jail cell for X number of years? don't be a felon. it's that simple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/23/18 7:36:17 PM #43:	Why the fuck do people think this shit is a good idea? Like, groups like ISIS use this shit for propaganda. Prisons have been serving kosher meals as long as I can remember. Why can't we just fucking treat everyone with a little dignity and stop acting like anyone from a different religion or race needs to be punished for threatening some ridiculous vision of purity? Like, fuck, let's drive a bigger wedge between people and help send people into the arms of extremists instead of completely eviscerating these organizations by treating the people they appeal to with respect and getting them to support us. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:901872571] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Why the fuck do people think this shit is a good idea? Like, groups like ISIS use this shit for propaganda. Prisons have been serving kosher meals as long as I can remember. Why can't we just fucking treat everyone with a little dignity and stop acting like anyone from a different religion or race needs to be punished for threatening some ridiculous vision of purity? Like, fuck, let's drive a bigger wedge between people and help send people into the arms of extremists instead of completely eviscerating these organizations by treating the people they appeal to with respect and getting them to support us.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 05/23/18 7:37:44 PM #44:	Alas and alack, that is not the law. In addition to my previously cited cases, see the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000. https://www.justice.gov/crt/religious-land-use-and-institutionalized-persons-act Edit: Directed at post 42. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:901872662] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Alas and alack, that is not the law. In addition to my previously cited cases, see the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000. https://www.justice.gov/crt/religious-land-use-and-institutionalized-persons-act Edit: Directed at post 42.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 05/23/18 7:41:41 PM #45:	ThePieReborn posted... Kazi1212 posted... ThePieReborn posted... _Goggalor_ posted... Why is this an issue? Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent. To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say Numerous federal circuits have held as much, and this is just a half-assed glance at Westlaw. See: Nelson v. Miller (2009) https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1362058.html Cotton v. Cate (2014) http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2014/06/16/12-15829.pdf LaFevers v. Saffle (1991) https://casetext.com/case/lafevers-v-saffle Tl;dr, the state needs a compelling state end to justify deprivation of capacity to practice religious tenets. For example, beard length restrictions are okay because of the safety risk of shit being hidden. Thanks, this is the kind of data I was looking for. --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:901872901] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kazi1212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Goggalor_ posted...</cite> <quote>Why is this an issue?</quote> Because the law does protect the rights of prisoners to practice their faiths to an extent.</quote> To an extent being the key here. Does accommodating religious dietary needs fall into that category? I guess well see what the courts say</quote> Numerous federal circuits have held as much, and this is just a half-assed glance at Westlaw. See: Nelson v. Miller (2009) https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1362058.html Cotton v. Cate (2014) http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/memoranda/2014/06/16/12-15829.pdf LaFevers v. Saffle (1991) https://casetext.com/case/lafevers-v-saffle Tl;dr, the state needs a compelling state end to justify deprivation of capacity to practice religious tenets. For example, beard length restrictions are okay because of the safety risk of shit being hidden.</quote> Thanks, this is the kind of data I was looking for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 05/23/18 7:43:01 PM #46:	Heavy Drinking Law Student Man, awaaaaay! fwoosh --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:901872980] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote>Heavy Drinking Law Student Man, awaaaaay! fwoosh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/23/18 7:44:11 PM #47:	FFVII_REMAKE posted... People are forgetting that these are Muslim prisoners that raped and killed innocents. Why are you defending these shits? Is... no one gonna comment on this bigoted presumption given the article mentions nothing about what these men are in prison for? Or am I just the only one that doesn't have this guy on ignore? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:901873052] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFVII_REMAKE posted...</cite> <quote>People are forgetting that these are Muslim prisoners that raped and killed innocents. Why are you defending these shits? </quote> Is... no one gonna comment on this bigoted presumption given the article mentions nothing about what these men are in prison for? Or am I just the only one that doesn't have this guy on ignore?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 05/23/18 7:45:05 PM #48:	CyricZ posted... FFVII_REMAKE posted... People are forgetting that these are Muslim prisoners that raped and killed innocents. Why are you defending these shits? Is... no one gonna comment on this bigoted presumption given the article mentions nothing about what these men are in prison for? Or am I just the only one that doesn't have this guy on ignore? Too low hanging fruit, and it's not the worst thing I've seen today. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:901873108] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FFVII_REMAKE posted...</cite> <quote>People are forgetting that these are Muslim prisoners that raped and killed innocents. Why are you defending these shits? </quote> Is... no one gonna comment on this bigoted presumption given the article mentions nothing about what these men are in prison for? Or am I just the only one that doesn't have this guy on ignore?</quote> Too low hanging fruit, and it's not the worst thing I've seen today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 05/24/18 11:53:04 AM #49:	9I posted... Muffinz0rz posted... this should be good I thought it would take off, myself 49 posts seems low for something like this --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Summersim (2-4): https://imgur.com/7cjNtgQ <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:901906331] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>9I posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>this should be good</quote> I thought it would take off, myself</quote> 49 posts seems low for something like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 05/24/18 4:56:58 PM #50:	BillWardsPants posted... DavidWong posted... ROBANN_88 posted... SciFi posted... inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals, i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved It's not so much meager meals. It's fasting from dawn to sunset. Iftar is usually a standard meal. This begs the question; if you have to fast from dawn to dusk, why would you want to live in a place like Anchorage, AK, which has like 18 hours of daylight during Ramadan? Probably don't have a choice, their family and lives are there, they dont mind fasting that long, any number of reasons. --- When goods do not cross borders, soldiers will. Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850) <cite>DavidWong posted [p:901922718] in Lawsuit: M... [t:76636389]...</cite> <quote><cite>BillWardsPants posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DavidWong posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ROBANN_88 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SciFi posted...</cite> <quote> inmates at the Anchorage jail observing Ramadan are being given dangerously meager meals,</quote> i mean, it's the fast. meager meals is the basic premise of Ramadan. don't go "i want to observe my starving tradition " and then complain about being starved</quote> It's not so much meager meals. It's fasting from dawn to sunset. Iftar is usually a standard meal.</quote> This begs the question; if you have to fast from dawn to dusk, why would you want to live in a place like Anchorage, AK, which has like 18 hours of daylight during Ramadan?</quote> Probably don't have a choice, their family and lives are there, they dont mind fasting that long, any number of reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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