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Dyinglegacy
05/04/18 3:18:34 PM
#101:


KStateKing17 posted...
No one today should be blamed for the slavery of black people. I'm not looking for any type of apology or special treatment because of it. However I don't like the fact that people pretend the just because slavery was abolished in the 1800's that black Americans weren't still being treated like dirt. There are still people alive that lived during segregation. The bitch that lied on Emmett Till only died a few years ago.

Instead of trying to get an apology from white people, I think we should focus more on improving our underperforming schools and change the way the students are taught. Being in a poor area shouldn't mean a school should have shit funding.

Also we need to find a way to open up opportunities for the citizens living in those areas. Better access to transportation, better jobs, and affordable housing based off what jobs are paying in the area.


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mattnd2007
05/04/18 3:20:58 PM
#102:


KStateKing17 posted...
No one today should be blamed for the slavery of black people. I'm not looking for any type of apology or special treatment because of it. However I don't like the fact that people pretend the just because slavery was abolished in the 1800's that black Americans weren't still being treated like dirt. There are still people alive that lived during segregation. The bitch that lied on Emmett Till only died a few years ago.

Instead of trying to get an apology from white people, I think we should focus more on improving our underperforming schools and change the way the students are taught. Being in a poor area shouldn't mean a school should have shit funding.

Also we need to find a way to open up opportunities for the citizens living in those areas. Better access to transportation, better jobs, and affordable housing based off what jobs are paying in the area.


Yeah buddy. As cheesy as the saying is, knowledge really is power. These poor kids going to poorly funded schools with teachers that don't give a shit. And then we're surprised when they don't end up being productive members of society
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Drunken_Idiot
05/04/18 4:00:59 PM
#103:


Dyinglegacy posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
No one today should be blamed for the slavery of black people. I'm not looking for any type of apology or special treatment because of it. However I don't like the fact that people pretend the just because slavery was abolished in the 1800's that black Americans weren't still being treated like dirt. There are still people alive that lived during segregation. The bitch that lied on Emmett Till only died a few years ago.

Instead of trying to get an apology from white people, I think we should focus more on improving our underperforming schools and change the way the students are taught. Being in a poor area shouldn't mean a school should have shit funding.

Also we need to find a way to open up opportunities for the citizens living in those areas. Better access to transportation, better jobs, and affordable housing based off what jobs are paying in the area.


Reasonable post.

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gatorsPENSbucs
05/04/18 8:38:13 PM
#104:


KStateKing17 posted...
Instead of trying to get an apology from white people, I think we should focus more on improving our underperforming schools and change the way the students are taught. Being in a poor area shouldn't mean a school should have shit funding.

Theres plenty of programs out there doing that. The wifes sister did that for a year, but wound up leaving because of the kids and parents.
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Lordgold666
05/04/18 8:42:08 PM
#105:


Turbam posted...
It's stupid to be mad at white people of today for slavery

Its the us equivalent of north koreas 3 generation law
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Akagami_Shanks
05/04/18 8:56:53 PM
#106:


Usual suspects all over this topic.

I think CE is just stormfront now
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apocalyptic_4
05/04/18 9:01:37 PM
#107:


Fin_Dawg_004 posted...
This is a bad question because it assumes black people still blame white people to this day.


The usual shit posting suspects eat it up anyways
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Vicious_Dios
05/04/18 9:04:18 PM
#108:


Imagine voting no.
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Funbazooka
05/04/18 9:05:18 PM
#109:


Should black people also forgive the modern day Africans whose ancestors sold their ancestors into slavery?

Where does it end?
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RE_expert44
05/04/18 9:05:57 PM
#110:


Many blacks today still blame whites for all their issues. Even the poor whites with no power. To them the cashier at McDonalds is just as guilty as the slave owners from the days of old.
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Ving_Rhames
05/04/18 9:07:17 PM
#111:


What's to forgive? They didn't do it. lol.
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Kineth
05/05/18 2:45:41 AM
#112:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
Usual suspects all over this topic.

I think CE is just stormfront now


P much.
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IloveJesus
05/05/18 2:47:44 AM
#113:


Ving_Rhames posted...
What's to forgive? They didn't do it.

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DarkProto05
05/05/18 2:52:06 AM
#114:


dib153 posted...
Fuck your triple great grandpappis hardships

I (damn I wish there was more of a way to type emphasis for "I") didn't own slaves

Anytime somebody wants to bring up slavery a pretty damned fine argument is "I never owned slaves" and "when was the last time you picked cotton?"

Usually shuts em the fuck up

The bold part wasn't necessary you insensitive douchebag.
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Funbazooka
05/05/18 2:56:54 AM
#115:


My ancestors didn't own slaves. I'm half descended from poor English background and half German background. One relative died in a WW2 German prisoner camp. I think he was a spy or suspected of being one.
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Dash_Harber
05/05/18 2:57:50 AM
#116:


It's such a ridiculous statement. The people alive now aren't even involved. It's just a 'gotcha' way of phrasing the problem that does absolutely nothing constructive for either party.

The fact is not whether anyone today is guilty of slavery or a direct victim of slavery, or whether one party needs to apologize to the other. The reality is that we all need to acknowledge that most of our modern legal codes and infrastructure were created with institutionalized racism in mind. Some people start at an inherent disadvantage or are unfairly targeted by authorities. It's not about forgiving, or forgetting, it's about accepting that you may have an advantage over someone else (through no fault of your own) that we need to be willing to acknowledge so that we can deal with it and move forward instead of stubbornly squabbling about whose fault it is like children.
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Funbazooka
05/05/18 3:02:32 AM
#117:


Dash_Harber posted...
The reality is that we all need to acknowledge that most of our modern legal codes and infrastructure were created with institutionalized racism in mind.

Even the Civil Rights acts?
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Taharqa_
05/05/18 6:26:47 AM
#118:


RE_expert44 posted...
Many blacks today still blame whites for all their issues. Even the poor whites with no power. To them the cashier at McDonalds is just as guilty as the slave owners from the days of old.


We dont think about y'all half as much as you think we do.
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Fin_Dawg_004
05/05/18 6:30:49 AM
#119:


very telling topic
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
05/05/18 6:46:29 AM
#120:


White people are also the ones who fought and died and sacrificed to end slavery, so start thanking white people too.
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Taharqa_
05/05/18 6:57:27 AM
#121:


Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
White people are also the ones who fought and died and sacrificed to end slavery, so start thanking white people too.


And black people were just sitting on the sidelines?
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RamboCell29
05/05/18 7:03:46 AM
#122:


No one should apologize or forgive for that.

Show me a white guy that is still alive that partook in slavery and I'll shame him like anybody. Show me a black guy still alive who was enslaved and I'll donate to a reparations fund for him.
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TheoryzC
05/05/18 7:49:26 AM
#123:


Drunken_Idiot posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
No one today should be blamed for the slavery of black people. I'm not looking for any type of apology or special treatment because of it. However I don't like the fact that people pretend the just because slavery was abolished in the 1800's that black Americans weren't still being treated like dirt. There are still people alive that lived during segregation. The bitch that lied on Emmett Till only died a few years ago.

Instead of trying to get an apology from white people, I think we should focus more on improving our underperforming schools and change the way the students are taught. Being in a poor area shouldn't mean a school should have shit funding.

Also we need to find a way to open up opportunities for the citizens living in those areas. Better access to transportation, better jobs, and affordable housing based off what jobs are paying in the area.


Reasonable post.

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Kineth
05/05/18 8:08:22 AM
#124:


This topic is goofy. Most, if not all, the black posters in this topic have said we don't care about that shit and still there's so many defensive strawmen being put up because, well, who the fuck knows.
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1NfamousACE_2
05/05/18 8:29:23 AM
#125:


Didn't Japanese people get reparations?
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RoboLaserGandhi
05/05/18 8:30:03 AM
#126:


hollow_shrine posted...
Sure. Just as soon as America sincerely apologizes for it and starts making efforts to balance these scales. These crocodile tears and guilt aren't doing either of us any good.

The sad part is some liberals actually take these requests seriously like they're cries for help and not just people being people by trying to get ahead in society in whatever ways allowable.
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coinstarcad
05/05/18 8:52:50 AM
#128:


White people have not forgiven blacks for resenting slavery and being compared to monkeys.
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Kineth
05/05/18 8:56:44 AM
#129:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Didn't Japanese people get reparations?


So did the Natives.
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MLGSerperior111
05/05/18 9:16:59 AM
#130:


Yeesh, this topic

No black person with a shread of common sense is blaming white people for slavery in the 19th century.

Like I really don't get the point of this topic as it goes in with the assumption that we just black people by default.
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donkeyjack
05/05/18 9:19:09 AM
#131:


Every race on this planet were slaves at one point.
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Fam_Fam
05/05/18 9:19:43 AM
#132:


Funbazooka posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
The reality is that we all need to acknowledge that most of our modern legal codes and infrastructure were created with institutionalized racism in mind.

Even the Civil Rights acts?


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_Goggalor_
05/05/18 9:21:34 AM
#133:


Yes. No one should be guilted or blamed for what their ancestors did.
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donkeyjack
05/05/18 9:23:05 AM
#134:


_Goggalor_ posted...
Yes. No one should be guilted or blamed for what their ancestors did.


This.
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tennisdude818
05/05/18 9:24:37 AM
#135:


A better question today would be, should black people forgive democrats for destroying the black family through welfare? No.
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Typhon
05/05/18 9:43:45 AM
#136:


No way, man. Each individual of any given race is directly responsible for the actions of every other member of their race. Where have you been?
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Fin_Dawg_004
05/05/18 9:46:20 AM
#137:



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1NfamousACE_2
05/05/18 10:40:14 AM
#138:


I want reparations!
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Re-iNcarnated
05/05/18 10:51:16 AM
#139:


But the real question is, when are we going to get all the facts?
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Nazanir
05/05/18 10:53:53 AM
#140:


Yes, they should.

Forgiving doesn't mean condoning, but carrying that anger/hatred with you all the time will only eat you up from inside.
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DarkProto05
05/06/18 12:28:54 PM
#141:


Native Americans and Japanese people have gotten reparations from the U.S. My question for CE: why did they deserve it but not black people?
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The Admiral
05/06/18 1:28:48 PM
#142:


DarkProto05 posted...
Native Americans and Japanese people have gotten reparations from the U.S. My question for CE: why did they deserve it but not black people?


Native Americans and Japanese were not given reparations, there were given back part of what the U.S. government took from them.

The slaves who came to the U.S. had nothing, so there is nothing to give them back. You can argue that the African warlords who originally captured them and sold them to the European slavers owe them reparations if you'd like, however.
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Dustin1280
05/06/18 1:32:16 PM
#143:


KStateKing17 posted...
No one today should be blamed for the slavery of black people. I'm not looking for any type of apology or special treatment because of it. However I don't like the fact that people pretend the just because slavery was abolished in the 1800's that black Americans weren't still being treated like dirt. There are still people alive that lived during segregation. The bitch that lied on Emmett Till only died a few years ago.

Instead of trying to get an apology from white people, I think we should focus more on improving our underperforming schools and change the way the students are taught. Being in a poor area shouldn't mean a school should have shit funding.

Also we need to find a way to open up opportunities for the citizens living in those areas. Better access to transportation, better jobs, and affordable housing based off what jobs are paying in the area.


This is a good post, the only thing I would add is stop being a victim and blaming white people for everything bad that is happening. Do you have any idea how many times the phrase "you're white you don't get it" is used to dismiss white people in general? Granted that happens more online than in real life, but I have seen it happen in real life and it has the opposite affect people using that phrase "claim" they are looking for.

Granted this only applies to the more militant minded people, but it still only further increases the divide between race and does nothing to help the situation.
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Kineth
05/06/18 8:54:15 PM
#144:


Dustin1280 posted...
This is a good post, the only thing I would add is stop being a victim and blaming white people for everything bad that is happening.


What would be great is if you people would shut the fuck up about this. Seriously. This whole topic is a giant strawman and it's full of assumptions and "advice" that no one asked for.
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gamepimp12
05/06/18 9:12:48 PM
#145:


RamboCell29 posted...
No one should apologize or forgive for that.

Show me a white guy that is still alive that partook in slavery and I'll shame him like anybody. Show me a black guy still alive who was enslaved and I'll donate to a reparations fund for him.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/437573/blacks-were-enslaved-well-into-the-1960s

Should we set up a go fund me.
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gamepimp12
05/06/18 9:22:53 PM
#146:


But in regards to the poll
I dont see the point in blaming an individual white person

But I also dont see the point in forgiving white people as a whole when

they spent most of the time after slavery keeping us second class citizens.

And frames us as lazy savages which only want hand outs for wanting the Financial and social economical freedoms they actively denied us for almost 500 years

White people as a whole havent done nearly enough to deserve forgiveness.
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Lorenzo_2003
05/06/18 9:39:19 PM
#147:


gamepimp12 posted...
they spent most of the time after slavery keeping us second class citizens


Who exactly is they? You're going to have to define that somehow because white people is a super broad term, and I am taking into consideration that you acknowledged not blaming individuals.
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gamepimp12
05/06/18 10:35:23 PM
#148:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
they spent most of the time after slavery keeping us second class citizens


Who exactly is they? You're going to have to define that somehow because white people is a super broad term, and I am taking into consideration that you acknowledged not blaming individuals.


Generally speaking most white people, thats not to say theyre Necessarily bad people they just havent done anything but taking advantage of the ripples and slavery and Jim Crow

Generally speaking good apology requires an acknowledgment of what was wrong and a sort of action to correct your mistake in the first place.

Considering the amount of people who blame black Americas disportional income and the issues that come with solely on the backs of blacks culture. I dont think its unfair to say white people havent done a good job apologizing.
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_OujiDoza_
05/06/18 10:39:58 PM
#149:


Akagami_Shanks posted...
Usual suspects all over this topic.

I think CE is just stormfront now

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Funbazooka
05/06/18 11:03:35 PM
#150:


gamepimp12 posted...
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
gamepimp12 posted...
they spent most of the time after slavery keeping us second class citizens


Who exactly is they? You're going to have to define that somehow because white people is a super broad term, and I am taking into consideration that you acknowledged not blaming individuals.


Generally speaking most white people, thats not to say theyre Necessarily bad people they just havent done anything but taking advantage of the ripples and slavery and Jim Crow

Generally speaking good apology requires an acknowledgment of what was wrong and a sort of action to correct your mistake in the first place.

Considering the amount of people who blame black Americas disportional income and the issues that come with solely on the backs of blacks culture. I dont think its unfair to say white people havent done a good job apologizing.

I can't apologize for something I'm not responsible for
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Kineth
05/06/18 11:28:54 PM
#151:


Funbazooka posted...
I can't apologize for something I'm not responsible for


Right, you're one of those people who thinks that when people say things, they aren't responsible for their words or the reactions they elicit.
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