Current Events > 4chan tries to ruin black girls' chance in NASA competition

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shockthemonkey appears to be melting down now as well.
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Fony posted...

The Admiral posted...

First off, kudos to these girls. I love seeing students accomplish innovations like this, and I'm really proud of them. I hope they have a bright future ahead.

Now, here is what I see as part of the problem. These girls are the ones who introduced their race and gender into the mix by mentioning it in this tweet initially:
https://twitter.com/Mmmikaylaaa__/status/988555577386262528/photo/1

I don't really see why they deserve any special acknowledgment for that, since their accomplishment stands on itself. But once you open the door to "vote for us because we're black and female," you are opening the door to people voting against them for the same reason. There was no reason to ever bring identity politics into this in the first place.

None of this excuses the idiots at 4chan in any form, BTW.

Lmao, you can't rationalize this shit. They didn't open the door for anything.

thelovefist posted...

I believe it is possible to think this: 4chan is a cesspool and this situation is just further evidence of that.

And also ask this at the same time: Why did these girls feel the need to bring up their gender and race unsolicited?

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Ferron posted...

Couldn't be bothered to read this topic after the second page because of all the trolling. I'm just curious why everyone is attacking Admiral. It's not like he was wrong with his first post

You're seeing the latest in a long line of scenarios where Admiral finds something negative to say about a black person or their behavior, which inspires another group of posters to call him out on it. At this point, it mostly just feels like they're competing to out-troll each other.

thelovefist posted...

shockthemonkey appears to be melting down now as well.

Yep. Admiral used logic and reason and it was super effective.
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thelovefist posted...

shockthemonkey appears to be melting down now as well.

Him, FrisbeeDude, TC....they're all enablers and instead of marking posts/threads and/or ignoring (using the site's function or just restraining themselves) posts and posters they think are trolling. But when it comes to race they continually engage these threads and posters to 500 post threads and then whine about this place being overrun by trolls? And then making the occasional race baiting thread, knowing what the outcome will be. Why? Because they like the attention too.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Ferron posted...

Couldn't be bothered to read this topic after the second page because of all the trolling. I'm just curious why everyone is attacking Admiral. It's not like he was wrong with his first post

You're seeing the latest in a long line of scenarios where Admiral finds something negative to say about a black person or their behavior, which inspires another group of posters to call him out on it. At this point, it mostly just feels like they're competing to out-troll each other.

A person's race is irrelevant to me in whether I think the behavior is worthy of being criticized or not. The users attacking me are of the mindset that any criticism of black people in certain cases is picking on them and is unfair or racist. A lot of their perceived racism is also projection. I criticize white people just as often, and I defend black people when I believe the issue is on their side (these posts usually go completely unacknowledged by the folks here losing their shit, BTW).

And to clarify my positions from my first post.

1. I'm proud of these girls and think what they achieved was amazing. I'll add that I'd love to see them win.
2. The users on 4chan who tried to screw with the polls and who attacked them are idiots. There is no defending them.
3. These girls unnecessarily made their race and gender an issue when they mentioned it in the post asking for votes. They added an element of identity politics that was not needed and shouldn't have anything to do with this competition.

There is nothing wrong or racist about pointing out #3.
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@ledbowman
Lock your topic.
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The Admiral posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Ferron posted...

Couldn't be bothered to read this topic after the second page because of all the trolling. I'm just curious why everyone is attacking Admiral. It's not like he was wrong with his first post

You're seeing the latest in a long line of scenarios where Admiral finds something negative to say about a black person or their behavior, which inspires another group of posters to call him out on it. At this point, it mostly just feels like they're competing to out-troll each other.

A person's race is irrelevant to me in whether I think the behavior is worthy of being criticized or not. The users attacking me are of the mindset that any criticism of black people in certain cases is picking on them and is unfair or racist. A lot of their perceived racism is also projection. I criticize white people just as often, and I defend black people when I believe the issue is on their side (these posts usually go completely unacknowledged by the folks here losing their shit, BTW).

And to clarify my positions from my first post.

1. I'm proud of these girls and think what they achieved was amazing. I'll add that I'd love to see them win.
2. The users on 4chan who tried to screw with the polls and who attacked them are idiots. There is no defending them.
3. These girls unnecessarily made their race and gender an issue when they mentioned it in the post asking for votes. They added an element of identity politics that was not needed and shouldn't have anything to do with this competition.

There is nothing wrong or racist about pointing out #3.

I never called you racist.

But I still think you like playing up this shtick whenever the opportunity strikes, because I've seen you make posts that include some criticism of a black person's behavior more often than I've seen you criticize a white person's behavior, and absolutely more often than I've seen you praise a black person's behavior without finding a point to criticize.

P4wn4g3 posted...

@ledbowman
Lock your topic.

If you locked the topic every time Admiral destroyed SJWs causing them meltdown, there'd be no discussions on social, political or economic issues left on this board.
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Oh man what a sad day that would be.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

But I still think you like playing up this shtick whenever the opportunity strikes, because I've seen you make posts that include some criticism of a black person's behavior more often than I've seen you criticize a white person's behavior, and absolutely more often than I've seen you praise a black person's behavior without finding a point to criticize.

I'm sure it seems that way because topics in which I criticize white people or defend black people don't get any acknowledgement, whereas topics like this get 200+ posts and stay on the front page all day.

For example, I defended Tamir Rice and Philandro Castile in those shootings, and no one said a word. I criticized these racist white frats guys weeks ago and not a single person quoted the post:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76532405

So yeah, I'm not surprised it "seems like" I criticize black people more when this board only loses their shit and makes a big deal about that, while ignoring all other comments of mine that don't fit into their narrative.
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gosh, some black girls acknowledged their race/gender because they're underrepresented in a field they've achieved in. Someone let them know they've upset ce's racist babies
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Minorities and women often get overlooked when it comes to any kind of achievements, particularly in science. Now a group of minority women have achieved something that's caught the attention of NASA. That's why they point out their gender and and race. It's no different than when a kid does some amazing shit and people list the age along with the achievement.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I've seen you make posts that include some criticism of a black person's behavior more often than I've seen you criticize a white person's behavior, and absolutely more often than I've seen you praise a black person's behavior without finding a point to criticize.

This is exactly why he gets so much shit for the posts like his first itt - everyone here has been around long enough to notice the pattern of bias. And the bolded part here, I've literally never seen him do that. Every compliment he extends to a black person come with a huge asterisk next to it. I mean, he spent more text in his first post itt complaining about these girls than he did praising their accomplishment or condemning the troll campaign against them, making it the perfect example.
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Disrespector posted...

Oh look more trump supporters being racist. Why are the vast majority of racists trumpanzees?

"It's racist if you think two girls using their race and gender to garner sympathy votes is tacky and in bad form."

K.
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The Tweet also mentioned they are the only team from the East Coast. Somehow nonine read that as vote for us because we are from the East Coast. Weird, right?
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The Deadpool posted...

The Tweet also mentioned they are the only team from the East Coast. Somehow nonine read that as vote for us because we are from the East Coast. Weird, right?

Oh, I'm sure there's a perfectly logical and not at all racially motivated reason behind that.
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Didnt read any of this. But is this the one where their invention was a crude drawing of a jar with a propeller blade in it hooked to a straw? I saw something like this on reddit
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RE_expert44 posted...

Didnt read any of this. But is this the one where their invention was a crude drawing of a jar with a propeller blade in it hooked to a straw? I saw something like this on reddit

No, this was a real accomplishment. And it's really interesting, so it's worth reading about.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I've seen you make posts that include some criticism of a black person's behavior more often than I've seen you criticize a white person's behavior, and absolutely more often than I've seen you praise a black person's behavior without finding a point to criticize.

This is exactly why he gets so much shit for the posts like his first itt - everyone here has been around long enough to notice the pattern of bias. And the bolded part here, I've literally never seen him do that. Every compliment he extends to a black person come with a huge asterisk next to it. I mean, he spent more text in his first post itt complaining about these girls than he did praising their accomplishment or condemning the troll campaign against them, making it the perfect example.

It is interesting that you made this post because A. It ignores Admiral's reasonable explanation for this perception and B. you can't see his posts because you have him ignored so how can you have an informed opinion on the matter?
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Vyrulisse posted...

Disrespector posted...

Oh look more trump supporters being racist. Why are the vast majority of racists trumpanzees?

"It's racist if you think two girls using their race and gender to garner sympathy votes is tacky and in bad form."

K.

Yeah let's just ignore the campaign from the racists at 4chan to vote for the other projects specifically because they weren't from women minorities.
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Laserion posted...

So these people like lead water?

They're certainly acting like they do...
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The Admiral posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

"If you mention your race in a positive way, you open yourself up for trolls"

This is the race troll version of "she shouldn't of worn that if she didnt want the attention"

Lmao fuck outta here

That's pretty funny, because if this were a group of a white boys who wanted people to vote for them over their black female competitors based on their race/gender, I doubt you'd think people criticizing them were trolls. In fact, I'm quite positive you'd be the first to call those boys racist.

While your original notion is logical I believe this is where you went wrong. You are comparing apples to oranges. Women and minorities in the sciences is something noteworthy and potentially inspiring. White males are not.

There is nothing wrong with simply bringing attention to that either. If you claim opening that window was fair game, then it must also be fair game when the window of sexism/racism was originally opened which lead to the noteworthiness of all this to begin with.

You cant blame a sex or race for making strides and stating such. Its merely an observation. Any advantage this gives them is secondary and wholly at the discretion of the voters who use that fact as they see fit.
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CapnMuffin posted...

While your original notion is logical I believe this is where you went wrong. You are comparing apples to oranges. Women and minorities in the sciences is something noteworthy and potentially inspiring. White males are not.

People in sciences are noteworthy based on their accomplishments, not their race or gender.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

While your original notion is logical I believe this is where you went wrong. You are comparing apples to oranges. Women and minorities in the sciences is something noteworthy and potentially inspiring. White males are not.

People in sciences are noteworthy based on their accomplishments, not their race or gender.

Agreed!

But I feel you are saying that as if it invalidates the fact certain people faced more challenges having their accomplishments succeed than others.

- Noteworthy accomplishments.

- Success in fields where your demographic has struggled.

Two different things. But I appreciate you taking me to task to ensure I was aware of that too.
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I liked it more when they trolled that Meet Taylor Swift poll and got that 37yo guy as the winner lol
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I haven't followed the 4chan pol threads closely but from what I gather, the black Twitter community was ballot stuffing for that team (as it was encouraged), not to mention this was the diagram they submitted for the competition:


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This topic reinforces why I finally put Admiral and lovefist on ignore. My mesage board experience has improved since then.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

People in sciences are noteworthy based on their accomplishments, not their race or gender.

Overcoming a systematic prejudice to accomplish something makes it more noteworthy.
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Funbazooka posted...

I haven't followed the 4chan pol threads closely but from what I gather, the black Twitter community was ballot stuffing for that team (as it was encouraged), not to mention this was the diagram they submitted for the competition:

That's nice. It's not an art competition, and the thing actually works (with a monitor included) regardless.
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Serious Cat posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

People in sciences are noteworthy based on their accomplishments, not their race or gender.

Overcoming a systematic prejudice to accomplish something makes it more noteworthy.

What did these girls overcome? What specific obstacles were placed in front of them because of their race?

I'm not asking about black people in general or historically, I'm asking about these girls specifically.
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They're having to overcome a clear racial bias that still exists as this report has shown. You have no clue what they've gone through and neither do I, but none of this is the point. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS SO FOCUSED ON THEIR RACE?! COULDN'T WE BE TALKING SCIENCE IN HERE INSTEAD? Jesus fucking Christ, breathe through your noses and shut the fuck up. Your breath stinks.
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thanosibe posted...

thelovefist posted...

shockthemonkey appears to be melting down now as well.

Him, FrisbeeDude, TC....they're all enablers and instead of marking posts/threads and/or ignoring (using the site's function or just restraining themselves) posts and posters they think are trolling. But when it comes to race they continually engage these threads and posters to 500 post threads and then whine about this place being overrun by trolls? And then making the occasional race baiting thread, knowing what the outcome will be. Why? Because they like the attention too.

It's not about putting the attention on me. Look what crawls out from under the rock. Everybody needs to see that as much as possible. (Plus sometimes they fuck up and get warned.)
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CapnMuffin posted...

While your original notion is logical I believe this is where you went wrong. You are comparing apples to oranges. Women and minorities in the sciences is something noteworthy and potentially inspiring. White males are not.

I don't disagree with you at all here. I actually would like to see them win because I think more female and minority role models in science would be great.

However, this is still a competition. The races of everyone involved are not supposed to have an bearing on the winners. So when the girls mention their race in hopes of gaining an advantage, that is fair to criticize.

If these girls end up winning and their school wants to promote them because they're female minorities, I have no issue with that. But they should win because they had the best invention, not because they pushed identity politics to get an edge.

And, from a practical matter, the picture of the girls is already included in their tweet. Any voter who is likely to give them an edge because those girls are minorities already has all the info they need. These girls don't need to deliberately put a spotlight on their race and gender beyond the obvious.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

What did these girls overcome? What specific obstacles were placed in front of them because of their race?

A system that discourages their participation to the extent that emasculated white male crybabies specifically organize against them on the basis of both of these factors. Thanks for asking.
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The Deadpool posted...

The Tweet also mentioned they are the only team from the East Coast. Somehow nonine read that as vote for us because we are from the East Coast. Weird, right?

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The Admiral posted...

They added an element of identity politics

4chan and you did that.
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ledbowman posted...

The Admiral posted...

They added an element of identity politics

4chan and you did that.

Read the tweet in post 9 and get back to me.
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Lol did Admiral really make a big fuss about them making note of their race/gender?

Who fucking cares? They're young black women, bringing attention to who they are, because young black woman are underrepresented in the field they're representing.

Why does that trigger people so much?
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Kineth posted...

They're having to overcome a clear racial bias that still exists as this report has shown. You have no clue what they've gone through and neither do I, but none of this is the point. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS SO FOCUSED ON THEIR RACE?! COULDN'T WE BE TALKING SCIENCE IN HERE INSTEAD? Jesus fucking Christ, breathe through your noses and shut the fuck up. Your breath stinks.

That's correct. There are plenty of black kids who grow up in nice middle class neighborhoods in stable, loving families. There are also plenty of white kids who grow up in poor, broken and abusive homes.

We have no idea what their circumstances are. That's why this group identity crap and acting like the fact that they're black must mean they overcame hardships which makes their accomplishments more impressive is absurd. Judge people as individuals, not on their group identities.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

We have no idea what their circumstances are. That's why this group identity crap and acting like the fact that they're black must mean they overcame hardships which makes their accomplishments more impressive is absurd. Judge people as individuals, not on their group identities.

Claiming they didn't overcome any hardship when there's literally an organized movement against them based on race and gender?
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Serious Cat posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

We have no idea what their circumstances are. That's why this group identity crap and acting like the fact that they're black must mean they overcame hardships which makes their accomplishments more impressive is absurd. Judge people as individuals, not on their group identities.

Claiming they didn't overcome any hardship when there's literally an organized movement against them based on race and gender?

but but
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I imagine these were the same people that saw Black Panther and went "It's a great movie BUT why are black people making such a big deal out of it?!"
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Serious Cat posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

We have no idea what their circumstances are. That's why this group identity crap and acting like the fact that they're black must mean they overcame hardships which makes their accomplishments more impressive is absurd. Judge people as individuals, not on their group identities.

Claiming they didn't overcome any hardship when there's literally an organized movement against them based on race and gender?

What hardships did they overcome to get to the point of having created this water purification system?

This all started after they made that tweet.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Lol did Admiral really make a big fuss about them making note of their race/gender?

Who fucking cares? They're young black women, bringing attention to who they are, because young black woman are underrepresented in the field they're representing.

Why does that trigger people so much?

Cause they are black women
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The Admiral posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

While your original notion is logical I believe this is where you went wrong. You are comparing apples to oranges. Women and minorities in the sciences is something noteworthy and potentially inspiring. White males are not.

I don't disagree with you at all here. I actually would like to see them win because I think more female and minority role models in science would be great.

However, this is still a competition. The races of everyone involved are not supposed to have an bearing on the winners. So when the girls mention their race in hopes of gaining an advantage, that is fair to criticize.

If these girls end up winning and their school wants to promote them because they're female minorities, I have no issue with that. But they should win because they had the best invention, not because they pushed identity politics to get an edge.

And, from a practical matter, the picture of the girls is already included in their tweet. Any voter who is likely to give them an edge because those girls are minorities already has all the info they need. These girls don't need to deliberately put a spotlight on their race and gender beyond the obvious.

Preach!
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