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Bloodychess
05/02/18 1:00:38 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Imagine getting triggered when an organization decides to be more inclusive.


People seem to be more triggered over that organizations counterpart not following suit
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KingCoasterOreo
05/02/18 1:18:15 PM
#102:


Bloodychess posted...
Squall28 posted...
Imagine getting triggered when an organization decides to be more inclusive.


People seem to be more triggered over that organizations counterpart not following suit

Imagine still using "triggered" unironically in the year of Our Lord 2018
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Complete_Idi0t
05/02/18 1:24:50 PM
#104:


Call me when they have a plan to include gay people
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Bloodychess
05/02/18 1:25:03 PM
#105:


KingCoasterOreo posted...
Bloodychess posted...
Squall28 posted...
Imagine getting triggered when an organization decides to be more inclusive.


People seem to be more triggered over that organizations counterpart not following suit

Imagine still using an alt account in the year of Our Lord 2018

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Capn Circus
05/02/18 1:33:49 PM
#106:


So boy scouts can't be called boy scouts anymore and have to allow girls in ---- but boys can't join girl scouts and it's still called girl scouts?

There is no explanation for this except absolute sickness.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/02/18 1:34:35 PM
#107:


Meh. I don't care about any of this.
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DesuDeku
05/02/18 1:38:06 PM
#108:


ghettoraider81 posted...
Better start letting boys into the Girl Scouts now. Boys want to sell cookies too.

Is selling cookies really the only thing Girl Scouts do? Why not just let them do camping stuff and all the other things Boy Scouts do? They don't have to join the boys to do that.
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philsov
05/02/18 1:41:22 PM
#109:


Complete_Idi0t posted...
Call me when they have a plan to include gay people


gay youths have been welcome for a few years, and gay adults were also allowed in a yearish after that. Still no love for hardcore atheists, but the BSA is (officially) so broad with regards to the definition of god that it allows for effective agnostics.

Capn Circus posted...
So boy scouts can't be called boy scouts anymore and have to allow girls in ---- but boys can't join girl scouts and it's still called girl scouts?

There is no explanation for this except absolute sickness.


Two different organizations, for starters. Girl scouts sucks anyways. It'll dwindle and die in a decade or two, and less net overhead for the BSA this way.
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Gheb
05/02/18 1:42:26 PM
#110:


Capn Circus posted...
So boy scouts can't be called boy scouts anymore and have to allow girls in ---- but boys can't join girl scouts and it's still called girl scouts?

There is no explanation for this except absolute sickness.

Gheb posted...
I'd agree if Boy Scouts was related to Girls Scouts in anyway whatsoever besides having similar sounding names.

It's not like there is some unified scouting organization that Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are subsidiaries of and the Grand Troopleader has deemed that only the Boy Scouts will integrate.


Nobody is making either organization do anything. The BSA decided on their own to let girls in. Nobody told the Boy Scouts to let girls in but then said it was okay for the Girl Scouts to not let boys in.

The Girl Scouts are more upset about the Boy Scouts letting girls join than anyone in this thread is. It could very likely kill their organization.
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Sariana21
05/02/18 1:46:15 PM
#111:


DesuDeku posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Better start letting boys into the Girl Scouts now. Boys want to sell cookies too.

Is selling cookies really the only thing Girl Scouts do? Why not just let them do camping stuff and all the other things Boy Scouts do? They don't have to join the boys to do that.

Of course not. We have camping and hiking and other outdoor badges. We also have STEM and environmental badges. And any troop is welcome to design its own badge around whatever activity its girls want to do (unlike the BS, who are much stricter about requirements).

We also have "artsy" badges and activities that are more traditionally "girly," which is fine. My girls LIKE those things.
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Capn Circus
05/02/18 1:48:31 PM
#112:


Gheb posted...
Capn Circus posted...
So boy scouts can't be called boy scouts anymore and have to allow girls in ---- but boys can't join girl scouts and it's still called girl scouts?

There is no explanation for this except absolute sickness.

Gheb posted...
I'd agree if Boy Scouts was related to Girls Scouts in anyway whatsoever besides having similar sounding names.

It's not like there is some unified scouting organization that Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts are subsidiaries of and the Grand Troopleader has deemed that only the Boy Scouts will integrate.


Nobody is making either organization do anything. The BSA decided on their own to let girls in. Nobody told the Boy Scouts to let girls in but then said it was okay for the Girl Scouts to not let boys in.

The Girl Scouts are more upset about the Boy Scouts letting girls join than anyone in this thread is. It could very likely kill their organization.


That's fine. Whoever decided this has major issues. There is already a girl scouts.
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KingCoasterOreo
05/02/18 1:48:33 PM
#113:


Bloodychess posted...

Imagine still using an alt account in the year of Our Lord 2018

? What.
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DesuDeku
05/02/18 1:51:04 PM
#114:


Sariana21 posted...
DesuDeku posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Better start letting boys into the Girl Scouts now. Boys want to sell cookies too.

Is selling cookies really the only thing Girl Scouts do? Why not just let them do camping stuff and all the other things Boy Scouts do? They don't have to join the boys to do that.

Of course not. We have camping and hiking and other outdoor badges. We also have STEM and environmental badges. And any troop is welcome to design its own badge around whatever activity its girls want to do (unlike the BS, who are much stricter about requirements).

We also have "artsy" badges and activities that are more traditionally "girly," which is fine. My girls LIKE those things.

That sounds pretty fun, but what's the major difference between the two scouts?(Besides gender)
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Gheb
05/02/18 2:05:24 PM
#115:


Capn Circus posted...
That's fine. Whoever decided this has major issues. There is already a girl scouts.


You know what the major issue here is? It's not bowing the will of the left. It isn't becoming more inclusive. It isn't trying to give girls the opportunity to be involved in Boy Scout activities. The issue is something much more simple. Money.

Boy Scout membership has been dropping for years now. It's just not something kids are as interested in anymore. Maybe it's because more sports opportunities are available. Maybe it's because schools are offering a more diverse selection of organizations to join. Maybe it's because our increased focused on technology has made outdoor focused activities less desirable. It's probably a combination of a lot of things, but regardless, membership is down. Which means its making less money. The BSA is trying to do what it can to stay financially solvent. Do you know one good way of increasing your membership? Opening it up to the other 50% of the population? So that's what they are doing.

Like the alternative here is that the Boy Scouts just stop existing after awhile. Then there is even less space for boys only stuff. I really enjoyed my 12 years in the Boy Scouts. I learned a lot, had a lot of fun, and made a lot of friends. If I have a son in the future, I'd much rather him be a part of a Co-Ed Scouts than no Scouts at all because they went bankrupt.
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Questionmarktarius
05/02/18 2:07:14 PM
#116:


Gheb posted...
Boy Scout membership has been dropping for years now. It's just not something kids are as interested in anymore. Maybe it's because more sports opportunities are available. Maybe it's because schools are offering a more diverse selection of organizations to join. Maybe it's because our increased focused on technology has made outdoor focused activities less desirable. It's probably a combination of a lot of things, but regardless, membership is down. Which means its making less money. The BSA is trying to do what it can to stay financially solvent. Do you know one good way of increasing your membership? Opening it up to the other 50% of the population? So that's what they are doing.

I say we blame videogames.

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Gheb
05/02/18 2:11:08 PM
#117:


Questionmarktarius posted...
I say we blame videogames.

The first time I got yelled at for bringing a Gamboy on a campout, I realized where my priorities really were.


Oh, video games are definitely part of it. Because yeah, I totally smuggled Gameboys/DS/etc onto camp-outs. That said, I can't even imagine what it's like now with smart phones. Nobody wants to spend a weekend away from their cell-phone. I don't. I definitely can't imagine a teenager does.
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Sariana21
05/02/18 2:13:22 PM
#118:


DesuDeku posted...
Sariana21 posted...
DesuDeku posted...
ghettoraider81 posted...
Better start letting boys into the Girl Scouts now. Boys want to sell cookies too.

Is selling cookies really the only thing Girl Scouts do? Why not just let them do camping stuff and all the other things Boy Scouts do? They don't have to join the boys to do that.

Of course not. We have camping and hiking and other outdoor badges. We also have STEM and environmental badges. And any troop is welcome to design its own badge around whatever activity its girls want to do (unlike the BS, who are much stricter about requirements).

We also have "artsy" badges and activities that are more traditionally "girly," which is fine. My girls LIKE those things.

That sounds pretty fun, but what's the major difference between the two scouts?(Besides gender)

Organizational structure. I posted about it earlier.
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Questionmarktarius
05/02/18 2:16:10 PM
#119:


Gheb posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
I say we blame videogames.

The first time I got yelled at for bringing a Gamboy on a campout, I realized where my priorities really were.


Oh, video games are definitely part of it. Because yeah, I totally smuggled Gameboys/DS/etc onto camp-outs. That said, I can't even imagine what it's like now with smart phones. Nobody wants to spend a weekend away from their cell-phone. I don't. I definitely can't imagine a teenager does.
And if you got crotchety old leaders who are still "this is about nature dammit!" and confiscating everyone's phones (or something), don't be surprised if the turnout is way the hell lower next time.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
05/02/18 2:47:36 PM
#120:


Eat More Beef posted...
This. Also, why is it just Boy Scouts that have to be accepting of both genders?

Because BSA wants more membership.

If an organization truly wants to create a male safe space, then they are more than free to do so.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
05/02/18 2:49:08 PM
#121:


Capn Circus posted...
That's fine. Whoever decided this has major issues. There is already a girl scouts.

Girl Scouts do a lot of the artsy, 'girly' things that 95% of boys don't want to do.
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spikethedevil
05/02/18 3:22:57 PM
#122:


In the UK we have Guides (Girl Scouts) and Scouts, girls have been allowed into the Scouts since the 70s. That's how far behind the US is... There is a reason the rest of the first world thinks of the US as being arse backwards.
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addled
05/02/18 3:26:57 PM
#123:


Will Girl Scouts still sell cookies? I need my Thin Mints.
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Bloodychess
05/02/18 3:28:08 PM
#124:


spikethedevil posted...
In the UK


I'm so sorry for you
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spikethedevil
05/02/18 3:31:18 PM
#125:


Bloodychess posted...
spikethedevil posted...
In the UK


I'm so sorry for you


Rather live here than the US tbh.
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Solid Snake07
05/02/18 3:42:33 PM
#126:


Sounds silly, but at the same time I don't really care.
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Gheb
05/02/18 3:45:18 PM
#127:


spikethedevil posted...
In the UK we have Guides (Girl Scouts) and Scouts, girls have been allowed into the Scouts since the 70s. That's how far behind the US is... There is a reason the rest of the first world thinks of the US as being arse backwards.

It's less that they are behind and more that your Boy Scouts ran into the same membership issues that the Boy Scouts of America are now running into earlier.

Don't mix up economic feasibility with progressiveness. If it was purely about a society's progress, your Guides would also be integrated.
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Questionmarktarius
05/02/18 3:47:44 PM
#128:


spikethedevil posted...
In the UK we have Guides (Girl Scouts) and Scouts, girls have been allowed into the Scouts since the 70s. That's how far behind the US is... There is a reason the rest of the first world thinks of the US as being arse backwards.

Are boys allowed into the Guides?
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spikethedevil
05/02/18 3:48:19 PM
#129:


Nope.
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Questionmarktarius
05/02/18 3:49:58 PM
#130:


spikethedevil posted...
Nope.


Thus:
Questionmarktarius posted...
Were I just a bit more cynical, i'd suggest that it's the same old demands for inclusion while retaining their own little safe spaces.


Or... why the hell not?
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tennisdude818
05/02/18 6:19:39 PM
#131:


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Gheb
05/02/18 6:39:13 PM
#132:


tennisdude818 posted...
Mgo1HSW

I do feel bad for the Girl Scouts. They are a perfectly fine organization that does good work. But it's name and societies greater familiarity with Boy Scouts puts a lot of expectations on what they do or should be doing that they have to live with.

And Scouts going co-ed is going to hurt membership. I know girls who went into Girl Scouts wanting a more Boy Scout experience, but stuck with it because it was the best they were going to get. They now have an true Boy Scout experience they can join.
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Darkman124
05/02/18 6:40:25 PM
#133:


i was a boy scout 15 years ago and even back then we had girls attending our trips through some explorers program or whatever

my main concern is why they're calling it scouts BSA and not just scouts
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TheVipaGTS
05/02/18 6:40:25 PM
#134:


Imagine being upset about this.
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BillyKidd
05/02/18 6:41:28 PM
#135:


it was at this moment, the girl scouts had bigger balls than the boy scouts.
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Gheb
05/02/18 6:41:50 PM
#136:


Darkman124 posted...
i was a boy scout 15 years ago and even back then we had girls attending our trips through some explorers program or whatever

my main concern is why they're calling it scouts BSA and not just scouts

Because they want to keep some of the historical name. Personally, I'm not a big fan it. Scouts USA or Scouts of America would both work better.
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Axiom
05/02/18 6:42:43 PM
#137:


I think Scouts is a better name tbh. Just eliminate girl and boy call them scouts and have them all under one umbrella
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Darkman124
05/02/18 6:43:42 PM
#138:


Gheb posted...
Because they want to keep some of the historical name. Personally, I'm not a big fan it. Scouts USA or Scouts of America would both work better.


agree

scouts bsa just sounds stupid

like what does bsa represent here since it cannot still mean 'boy scouts of america'
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Dash_Harber
05/02/18 6:45:01 PM
#139:


I don't get why they don't just merge and pool resources.

Either way, not really sure what the big deal is, anyway. Like, are they afraid women will go camping and gain some rudimentary survival skills, or are they terrified that boys coming into contact with girls will cause them to spontaneously switch genders or something?
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Gheb
05/02/18 6:45:46 PM
#140:


BillyKidd posted...
it was at this moment, the girl scouts had bigger balls than the boy scouts.

What the Girl Scouts have is a mission statement that is so focused on the development and empowerment of women, that they can't change their membership requirements to include boys to stave off declining membership, if they wanted to.

Boy Scouts might have had a boys only requirement, but the program was never as focused on the development of and empowerment of the gender like Girl Scouts is. It actually gave them the flexibility to do this.
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Barenziah Boy Toy
05/02/18 7:48:17 PM
#141:


Axiom posted...
I think Scouts is a better name tbh. Just eliminate girl and boy call them scouts and have them all under one umbrella

But that would be PC gone HORRIBLY WRONG!!
/typical right-wing traditionalist
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Bad_Mojo
05/02/18 7:49:26 PM
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Darmik
05/02/18 7:58:54 PM
#143:


If you want your boy to have some male bonding isn't signing him up for a local sports team a better idea anyway?
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On_The_Edge
05/02/18 8:00:54 PM
#144:


Companies can continue to kowtow to this PC bullshit but they're going to be outcompeted by others who don't. Huge market opportunity for a new boy scouts
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Darmik
05/02/18 8:04:15 PM
#145:


On_The_Edge posted...
Companies can continue to kowtow to this PC bullshit but they're going to be outcompeted by others who don't. Huge market opportunity for a new boy scouts


Yes there's nothing stopping another boy scout organization from starting an alternative.

Which is what makes this controversy a bit silly. These organizations are doing what they can to stay in business. Boy scouts were lame when I was growing up. Can't imagine how they're perceived in an age where kids have so much stuff available to do.
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DarkChozoGhost
05/02/18 8:31:52 PM
#146:


I mean, a lot of organizations keep old acronyms that don't mean anything. Like, FFA doesn't still mean Future Farmers of America, but they didn't change the acronym.

Also that would save a shit ton of money keeping old banners and whatnot.
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OwlRammer
05/02/18 8:42:51 PM
#147:


I wouldn't mind being a girl scout tbh, I'd be selling the most cookies since I'd be able to buy so many then lmao
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Sariana21
05/02/18 10:18:05 PM
#148:


Lol, I just got back-to-back emails from BSA and GSOC (GS of Orange County), both headlining today's news.
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Vicious_Dios
05/02/18 10:19:20 PM
#149:


ghettoraider81 posted...
This is stupid

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Sayoria
05/02/18 10:24:32 PM
#150:


Make separate branches, allowing for co-ed events. Simple. Girls can go out, camp, do whatever. Boys the same. Some trips where it is workable, make co-ed ones. Doesn't seem too hard.
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