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Metro2
04/29/18 9:24:21 PM
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Do you support this?

From thelocal:

Norways anti-immigration Progress Party, part of the ruling two-party coalition, is set to vote on banning the Muslim call to prayer in Norway when it meets for its national meeting this weekend.
The proposal is aimed to counter alleged plans by some mosques in Norway to begin issuing the Islamic call to worship, as has been allowed at two mosques in neighbouring Sweden.

In several places in the country have now established regulations under which mosques have permission to issue the call to prayer over loudspeakers, claims the local party in Buskerud county, west of Oslo, which made the proposal.

A great many people perceive this as annoying and inappropriate. In Norway we have freedom of religion, which should also include the right not to be exposed to public calls to prayer.

The party's former leader Carl Hagen presented a proposal for a similar ban in 2000.

But in the past, the Ministry of Justice has concluded that such a ban would be contrary to Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights, the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

The partys immigration policy spokesman, Jon Helgheim told the Vrt Land newspaper that he was not concerned with whether the law was permissible under the Convention.

I dont give a toss what human rights provisions say in this case, he said. What I care about is that people get peace and quiet in their neighbourhoods, and that means not being disturbed by the call to prayer. If there are conflicting provisions in the Convention on Human Rights, I simply dont care, because it's completely stupid.

Vrt Land said it had managed to find no actual examples of mosques in Norway that are planning to begin issuing the call.

But in 2013, the Fittja mosque in southern Stockholm began issuing the call to prayer on Fridays, and in 2017 a mosque in Karlskrona was given permission to use speakers for five prayers a day.

The mosques head said that it would "in the initial phase" only issue one call to prayer a week on Fridays, as it was a residential area.
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Frolex
04/29/18 9:27:26 PM
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Surely, the defenders of free speech will be up in arms over this
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CEskeptic
04/29/18 9:29:24 PM
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Metro2 posted...
What I care about is that people get peace and quiet in their neighbourhoods

Uh huh, sure
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Tyranthraxus
04/29/18 9:31:19 PM
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CarlGrimes
04/29/18 9:31:24 PM
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Hopefully the Nordic metal heads will blast their "call to prayer" over loudspeakers too.
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Dash_Harber
04/29/18 9:32:03 PM
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Oh look, a fringe party in a democratic system said something ridiculously xenophobic. More at 11.
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Tyranthraxus
04/29/18 9:33:06 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Oh look, a fringe party in a democratic system said something ridiculously xenophobic. More at 11.

How is it xenophobic?
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Funbazooka
04/29/18 9:33:12 PM
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If it's a public nuisance infringing on many people's peace and comfort then sensible regulations sound much needed.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/29/18 9:33:56 PM
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Absolutely I support that.
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iron jojo
04/29/18 10:00:19 PM
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Yes I support it and would support the same if a Christian church was blaring prayers
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FaultyGourry
04/29/18 10:03:27 PM
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Unless church bells are also banned it's bullshit and discriminatory.
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FLUFFYGERM
04/29/18 10:03:54 PM
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Fair next
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Funbazooka
04/29/18 10:06:14 PM
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hockeybub89
04/29/18 10:09:26 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Fair next

wtf we love big government infringing on freedom of speech
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ultimate reaver
04/29/18 10:09:41 PM
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I'm sure an anti-immigration political party is interested in banning Islamic call to prayer for noise reasons and isn't trying to make a posturing gesture to their base, which brainless idiots will eat up because they now have an excuse to echo.
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Vertania
04/29/18 10:09:45 PM
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Needs a little more context imo. If they just recently started doing this in areas where it's traditionally been quiet, then yeah. Business and homeowners in the area didn't invest in those places with the expectation of that noise issue.

If the mosque has been there and blaring the calls for decades, then it would be dumb to start having an issue with it all of the sudden.
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Funbazooka
04/29/18 10:14:56 PM
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The blare to prayer!
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hockeybub89
04/29/18 10:16:54 PM
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Metro2 posted...
I dont give a toss what human rights provisions say in this case, he said. What I care about is that people get peace and quiet in their neighbourhoods, and that means not being disturbed by the call to prayer. If there are conflicting provisions in the Convention on Human Rights, I simply dont care, because it's completely stupid.

"I don't care about human rights. I care about loud noises."
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future_ps3_0wn3
04/30/18 2:07:40 AM
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Whats the problem here? Islam is the one religion that almost gleefully refuses to adapt to the modern age, and sooner rather than later the whole world is going to have to treat them as such.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
04/30/18 7:56:34 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Metro2 posted...
I dont give a toss what human rights provisions say in this case, he said. What I care about is that people get peace and quiet in their neighbourhoods, and that means not being disturbed by the call to prayer. If there are conflicting provisions in the Convention on Human Rights, I simply dont care, because it's completely stupid.

"I don't care about human rights. I care about loud noises."


Not caring about the text of the human rights provisions isn't the same about not caring about human rights.
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scorpion41
05/04/18 6:31:44 AM
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FaultyGourry posted...
Unless church bells are also banned it's bullshit and discriminatory.


Church bells are musical and peaceful sounding. The Muslim call to prayer sounds like a dog being disemboweled slowly...its awful.
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Lordgold666
05/04/18 6:33:39 AM
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What is this, nk?
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Chicken
05/04/18 7:19:18 AM
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Five calls for prayer in a single day? Jesus fuck.
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pinky0926
05/04/18 7:26:53 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Oh look, a fringe party in a democratic system said something ridiculously xenophobic. More at 11.


Is it xenophobic to not want a loud prayer blasted on speakerphone reverberating through the neighbourhood first thing on a sunday morning

I don't even like my neighbour getting out the lawnmower dude
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RamboCell29
05/04/18 7:42:29 AM
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Nothing wrong here. If my city had Islamic prayers blast over loud speakers 5 times a day I'd be pissed. If they were Christian prayers I'd also be pissed.

I'd say this is a simple sound ordinance issue.
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pinky0926
05/04/18 8:23:44 AM
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RamboCell29 posted...
Nothing wrong here. If my city had Islamic prayers blast over loud speakers 5 times a day I'd be pissed. If they were Christian prayers I'd also be pissed.

I'd say this is a simple sound ordinance issue.


I agree which is a pity it's being picked up by this party, because now the issue itself will be painted as an anti-immigrant conversation.
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XHJYFL
05/04/18 8:25:37 AM
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Serious Cat
05/04/18 8:52:44 AM
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Metro2 posted...
Vrt Land said it had managed to find no actual examples of mosques in Norway that are planning to begin issuing the call.

Nothing like banning a specific thing that hasn't even been suggested yet.
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bover_87
05/04/18 8:54:24 AM
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Fine as long as it's not in the middle of the night for example.
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GunmaN1905
05/04/18 8:56:10 AM
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bover_87 posted...
Fine as long as it's not in the middle of the night for example.


Was just about to post this.
Idk if any of you have ever been to a muslim country, but during ramadan the earliest payer call is around 3.30-4am and it will almost certainly wake you up.
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StarSpangled
05/05/18 11:31:47 PM
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Good. Let's do all religions though.
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Cleo_II
05/10/18 7:12:40 AM
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Ive been in the Middle East. The calls to prayer are loud af and extremely annoying. They start at 5 am too. They would wake me up every morning. Id support the ban too.
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Dash_Harber
05/10/18 7:14:40 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Oh look, a fringe party in a democratic system said something ridiculously xenophobic. More at 11.

How is it xenophobic?

Because the whole thing is entirely targetted at a single group?
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eston
05/10/18 7:24:57 AM
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Metro2 posted...
I dont give a toss what human rights provisions say in this case, he said. What I care about is that people get peace and quiet in their neighbourhoods, and that means not being disturbed by the call to prayer. If there are conflicting provisions in the Convention on Human Rights, I simply dont care, because it's completely stupid.


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ROBANN_88
05/10/18 8:38:20 AM
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FaultyGourry posted...
Unless church bells are also banned it's bullshit and discriminatory.


prayer call: God is Great
I bear witness that there is no god except the One God.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God.
Hurry to the prayer
God is Great
There is no god except the One God

church bell: ding dong ding dong
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darkjedilink
05/10/18 9:03:18 AM
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Frolex posted...
Surely, the defenders of free speech will be up in arms over this

I think it's a shit move, personally.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
05/10/18 9:06:36 AM
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Okay I don't understand a lot about Islam so I am sorry if this seems ignorant...

They aren't banning the actual praying, which would be SUPER fucked up.
They are banning the lound sound sounds that you see in movies letting everyone know that it is time to pray? Like a fire siren type thing?

Is there some reason they do it that way? Does an alarm on your cell phone not work?

I would imagine this is disturbing people in the area that aren't Muslim.
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Rika_Furude
05/10/18 9:08:49 AM
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The Admiral
05/10/18 9:12:34 AM
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Cleo_II posted...
Ive been in the Middle East. The calls to prayer are loud af and extremely annoying. They start at 5 am too. They would wake me up every morning. Id support the ban too.


This. I've been in countries where they blast them also, and it's incredibly disruptive and obnoxious.
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DavidWong
05/10/18 9:13:35 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
good. islam has no place in the modern world.


Religion has no place in the modern world.
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Rika_Furude
05/10/18 9:14:46 AM
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DavidWong posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
good. islam has no place in the modern world.


Religion has no place in the modern world.

true, except for maybe Buddhism
but islam especially needs to be stopped.
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DavidWong
05/10/18 9:16:58 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
DavidWong posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
good. islam has no place in the modern world.


Religion has no place in the modern world.

true, except for maybe Buddhism
but islam especially needs to be stopped.


The Muslims in my life are far better people that the Catholics and Christians I know.
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Rika_Furude
05/10/18 9:21:58 AM
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DavidWong posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
DavidWong posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
good. islam has no place in the modern world.


Religion has no place in the modern world.

true, except for maybe Buddhism
but islam especially needs to be stopped.


The Muslims in my life are far better people that the Catholics and Christians I know.

i believe you. but in general, muslims hold anti-lgbt, anti-women, anti-western beliefs that makes them more incompatible with the western world in general than the typical christian or catholic
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DavidWong
05/10/18 9:23:31 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
i believe you. but in general, muslims hold anti-lgbt, anti-women, anti-western beliefs that makes them more incompatible with the western world in general than the typical christian or catholic


In general, Christian and Catholic priests are pedophiles

See how easy it is to do that?
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creativerealms
05/10/18 9:27:38 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
good. islam has no place in the modern world.

You realize they are not banning Islam just one modern practice some mosques implement.

That said I don't believe any religion has a place in the modern world.
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Rika_Furude
05/10/18 9:28:52 AM
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DavidWong posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
i believe you. but in general, muslims hold anti-lgbt, anti-women, anti-western beliefs that makes them more incompatible with the western world in general than the typical christian or catholic


In general, Christian and Catholic priests are pedophiles

See how easy it is to do that?

the way you say it makes it sound like a majority of christians and catholics are pedophilles, which is obviously false. however, the majority of muslims do actually hold anti-lgbt and anti-women beliefs.
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