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ledbowman
03/31/18 9:47:36 PM
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When Mark Conditt was a teenager, he participated in a club called Righteous Invasion of Truth. RIOT kids were homeschooled and religious, and spent their club time playing war games, practicing weapons skills, and reading the Bible. As a community college student in 2012, he wrote blogs against homosexuality and abortion. In 2018, he planted bombs in Austin, Texas, appearing to target African-American communities, then blew himself up as police closed in. The question isn't whether Conditt was a terrorist, but where was this terrorist radicalized? More important, who else is being radicalized in the same way, and what can we do about it?

It's easy to connect the dots after an attack. A radicalized white man commits murders. Investigators dive into his past. The dots emerge in the clarity of hindsight. In the interests of preventing future attacks, though, we need a clear understanding of how white terrorism works in this country. While not organized by some kind of hierarchical conspiracy or secret cabal, these discrete acts of violence are part of a systematic campaign to terrorize and divide Americans. What's worse, it's working.

We know where Elliot Rodger, the 2014 Isla Vista shooter, was radicalized. When the Southern Poverty Law Center published its report last month on "alt-right" violence, focusing on the many incidents in 2017, the SPLC began its account with the 2014 killings by Rodger, a student at the University of CaliforniaSanta Barbara. Based on Rodger's experiences in specific online fora, the SPLC has dubbed Rodger America's first "alt-right" killer. In his writings and videos, Rodger used misogynistic and racist tropes common in the worlds of "gamergate," a forum called PUAhate (Pick Up Artist Hate), and other online spaces where he could connect with like-minded men. No one ordered Rodger to kill people, but the valorization of targeted violence permeates those communities. He ultimately murdered seven people and wounded an additional 14. According to the SPLC, Rodger's violent acts were celebrated in various online communities, including by people who went on to kill in turn. The SPLC cites other misogynist killers, but also people like Dylann Roof, who murdered nine black citizens in a Charleston church. Roof's racism appears to have intensified as he spent more and more time on the Council of Conservative Citizens' website. More recently, a pro-Trump white supremacist killed two people at his school in New Mexico, after spending five years glorifying school shooters on alt-right websites.
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ledbowman
03/31/18 9:48:15 PM
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In 2017, Michael Hari drove from Champaign, Illinois, to Bloomington, Minnesota, just outside the Twin Cities. There, he and two friends broke a window in a mosque and threw a pipe bomb in through the window. Hari ran a YouTube channel where you could watch him and his friends putting on ski masks and making terroristic proclamations about driving Muslims out of the country. It's not clear why they drove to Minnesota and targeted this specific mosque. Hari is also accused of attempting to bomb a woman's health clinic in Champaign. Writing for HuffPost, Christopher Mathias links Hari's organization to other anti-Muslim militias that are proliferating around the country, including The Crusaders, a group in Kansas City, Missouri, that plotted to blow up a mosque and apartment complex that housed immigrants from Somalia.

Then there are the Nazis. Atomwaffen, an explicitly neo-Nazi group, has been murdering people. ProPublica recently broke the story of the murder of a gay Jewish man by an Atomwaffen member, one of five recent murders associated with the terrorist organization. James Field, who murdered Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, idolized Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. He belonged to Vanguard USA, a neo-Nazi group that combines anti-black racism and anti-semitism. Nikolas Cruz, the shooter in Parkland, Florida, engaged in racist rants on Instagram and had swastikas on his ammo cases. Motherboard recently reported that, while YouTube removes ISIS-related material reasonably quickly, neo-Nazi material can linger on the site for months and years.

These terrorist strains overlap and entangle, as we see in the case of Jeremy Christian. Christian had no coherent simple ideology. He read credulously from alt-right websites, contemplated Nazism, and spent time connecting with "Odinist" groups that appropriate medieval Viking mythos to support a platform of toxic masculinity and racism. In May of 2017, Christian murdered two men and stabbed a third in Oregon after they tried to stop him from harassing two young women of color wearing head scarves.

These murders, mostly committed by white American men, reveal patterns, but they're not evidence of some kind of single, secret organization dedicated to committing white-supremacist violence. That tends to puzzle people, because our conception of terrorism is linked to Islam and people of color, but also to cell-based groups like al-Qaeda: When we think of terrorism, we look for secret leaders sending out commands and planning operations. That's just not the model in this case, so when these white men kill, the media, elected officials, and law enforcement respond by disavowing connections to terrorism. These disavowals reveal a basic racism surrounding the word "terrorism," although many officials and reporters just want to keep people from panicking.

But maybe it's time to panic a little, or at least understand that these incidents are connected and require an organized response from our politicians, law enforcement, and media. When hundreds of "lone wolves" are reading the same websites, talking to each other, consuming the same stories, picking up easily accessible weapons, and killing the same targets, they have become a pack.

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The Admiral
03/31/18 9:49:54 PM
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Fear-mongering piece using LOL SPLC as its source.
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Nomadic View
03/31/18 9:52:34 PM
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tldr
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Ben_Ruggiero
03/31/18 9:53:11 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
tldr

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ledbowman
03/31/18 9:53:44 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Fear-mongering piece using LOL SPLC as its source.

It's not wrong.
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gunplagirl
03/31/18 9:54:46 PM
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Opened up the topic and Addy is already going at it to discredit any sort of proclamation that white American terrorists exist and are a threat.

What an unusual and completely out of character thing for him to do. >.>
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ledbowman
03/31/18 9:54:47 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
tldr

Because you don't seem to care.
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gunplagirl
03/31/18 9:56:07 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?
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The Admiral
03/31/18 9:56:56 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
tldr


A "terrorist group" that kills as many people in an entire year as Chicago gangs kill in a single week is a reason to "panic."
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gunplagirl
03/31/18 9:58:28 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr


A "terrorist group" that kills as many people in entire year as Chicago gangs kill in a single week is a reason to "panic."

Oh wow another completely 100% out of character post from the admiral. Who ever would have expected him to bring up Chicago gangs?

Guys, I think the admiral's account has been compromised because this totally isn't like him at all. <.<
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/31/18 9:59:59 PM
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The Admiral posted within 90 seconds of the topic appearing.

Damn that was impressively quick.
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The Admiral
03/31/18 10:00:43 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
The Admiral posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr


A "terrorist group" that kills as many people in entire year as Chicago gangs kill in a single week is a reason to "panic."

Oh wow another completely 100% out of character post from the admiral. Who ever would have expected him to bring up Chicago gangs?

Guys, I think the admiral's account has been compromised because this totally isn't like him at all. <.<


Read the last paragraph of the second post and stop bitching that the agenda of the article is transparent.
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ledbowman
03/31/18 10:05:57 PM
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The Admiral posted...
gunplagirl posted...
The Admiral posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr


A "terrorist group" that kills as many people in entire year as Chicago gangs kill in a single week is a reason to "panic."

Oh wow another completely 100% out of character post from the admiral. Who ever would have expected him to bring up Chicago gangs?

Guys, I think the admiral's account has been compromised because this totally isn't like him at all. <.<


Read the last paragraph of the second post and stop bitching that the agenda of the article is transparent.

But where's the wrong part.
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A_Good_Boy
03/31/18 10:06:32 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
The Admiral posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr


A "terrorist group" that kills as many people in entire year as Chicago gangs kill in a single week is a reason to "panic."

Oh wow another completely 100% out of character post from the admiral. Who ever would have expected him to bring up Chicago gangs?

Guys, I think the admiral's account has been compromised because this totally isn't like him at all. <.<

It's just weird. He'll call BLM a bunch of terrorists even though they haven't been responsible for any murders but when it comes to all these groups of white supremacists committing murders he'll sit there and say they're just fine because their murders haven't crossed the threshold that he determines that makes them dangerous.
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muchdran
03/31/18 10:06:50 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Opened up the topic and Addy is already going at it to discredit any sort of proclamation that white American terrorists exist and are a threat.

What an unusual and completely out of character thing for him to do. >.>

Same with your post unfortunately.
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Nomadic View
03/31/18 10:14:16 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
gunplagirl posted...
The Admiral posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr


A "terrorist group" that kills as many people in entire year as Chicago gangs kill in a single week is a reason to "panic."

Oh wow another completely 100% out of character post from the admiral. Who ever would have expected him to bring up Chicago gangs?

Guys, I think the admiral's account has been compromised because this totally isn't like him at all. <.<

It's just weird. He'll call BLM a bunch of terrorists even though they haven't been responsible for any murders but when it comes to all these groups of white supremacists committing murders he'll sit there and say they're just fine because their murders haven't crossed the threshold that he determines that makes them dangerous.


Murder is not necessarily an element of domestic terrorism.

18 USC section 2331(5)

(5) the term domestic terrorism means activities that
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
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Milkman5
03/31/18 10:15:11 PM
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Why do turbo leftists hate white people so much. Are we really going to pretend white terrorism is a problem in America?
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apocalyptic_4
03/31/18 10:25:28 PM
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I always expect the admiral to be the first to post in these topics.
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ledbowman
03/31/18 10:27:02 PM
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apocalyptic_4 posted...
I always expect the admiral to be the first to post in these topics.

And never the last because he runs when he can't answer.
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NINExATExSEVEN
03/31/18 10:28:46 PM
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Southern poverty law center
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ledbowman
03/31/18 10:30:09 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Southern poverty law center

What about it.
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NINExATExSEVEN
03/31/18 10:35:29 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Opened up the topic and Addy is already going at it to discredit any sort of proclamation that white American terrorists exist and are a threat.

What an unusual and completely out of character thing for him to do. >.>


You defend Antifa and said a few months ago that you have Antifa friends. You're in no position to criticize admiral when you keep members of a terrorist group as friends.

And yes Antifa have been officially recognized as a terrorist group.
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NINExATExSEVEN
03/31/18 10:38:22 PM
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ledbowman posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Southern poverty law center

What about it.


It's biased as fuck and is extremely politically driven by an agenda. Have you read their bio?
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A_Good_Boy
03/31/18 10:39:43 PM
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It's always the same group of people that seem completely incapable of criticizing white supremacists.
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A_Good_Boy
03/31/18 10:40:38 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
ledbowman posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Southern poverty law center

What about it.


It's biased as fuck and is extremely politically driven by an agenda. Have you read their bio?

Why are they wrong?
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Blue_Inigo
03/31/18 10:40:56 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted within 90 seconds of the topic appearing.

Damn that was impressively quick.

He's gotta defend his white brethren
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Ben_Ruggiero
03/31/18 10:44:19 PM
#29:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Opened up the topic and Addy is already going at it to discredit any sort of proclamation that white American terrorists exist and are a threat.

What an unusual and completely out of character thing for him to do. >.>


You defend Antifa and said a few months ago that you have Antifa friends. You're in no position to criticize admiral when you keep members of a terrorist group as friends.

And yes Antifa have been officially recognized as a terrorist group.

But, they're like, trying to save us from the evil white man, man.
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Vertania
03/31/18 10:45:33 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
He'll call BLM a bunch of terrorists even though they haven't been responsible for any murders but ...

Because the Dallas shooter and the mobs in Milwaukee/Ferguson/Baltimore that were attacking white people and burning down local buildings were just "lone wolfs."

Maybe the article has a point:
But maybe it's time to panic a little, or at least understand that these incidents are connected and require an organized response from our politicians, law enforcement, and media. When hundreds of "lone wolves" are reading the same websites, talking to each other, consuming the same stories, picking up easily accessible weapons, and killing the same targets, they have become a pack.
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ledbowman
03/31/18 10:48:01 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
It's always the same group of people that seem completely incapable of criticizing white supremacists.

Yeah they're all like "White people didn't do anything. they are a good boy."
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NINExATExSEVEN
03/31/18 10:57:42 PM
#32:


A_Good_Boy posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
ledbowman posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Southern poverty law center

What about it.


It's biased as fuck and is extremely politically driven by an agenda. Have you read their bio?

Why are they wrong?


They're not wrong about white men becoming angry and hateful because of the propaganda they hear, because the same crap is happening with the left and their radical SJW propaganda indoctrinating people into radicalism.

What they are wrong about is the clear agenda they are trying to push, which is that white men are extremely dangerous in America and are a threat to minorities.

That's clearly bs because crime statistics prove that white men are nowhere near the highest level of crime even though they are the male majority.

So what's the SPLC agenda here? Well look up their bio and it'll be clear as day.
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The Admiral
03/31/18 11:00:04 PM
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Man you guys get triggered when someone breaks up your shitting-on-whites party. You guys are all literally the ones who very upset when people bring up gang violence (kills thousands a year) and Islamic violence (kills 10,000+ a year), but you want to fixate on the white terrorism epidemic (kills tens a year).
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CarlGrimes
03/31/18 11:00:26 PM
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ledbowman posted...
It's not wrong.

ledbowman posted...
We know where Elliot Rodger, the 2014 Isla Vista shooter, was radicalized.

He wasn't a radicalized terrorist. He was a fucking nut job.
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A_Good_Boy
03/31/18 11:00:29 PM
#35:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
ledbowman posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Southern poverty law center

What about it.


It's biased as fuck and is extremely politically driven by an agenda. Have you read their bio?

Why are they wrong?


They're not wrong about white men becoming angry and hateful because of the propaganda they hear, because the same crap is happening with the left and their radical SJW propaganda indoctrinating people into radicalism.

What they are wrong about is the clear agenda they are trying to push, which is that white men are extremely dangerous in America and are a threat to minorities.

That's clearly bs because crime statistics prove that white men are nowhere near the highest level of crime even though they are the male majority.

So what's the SPLC agenda here? Well look up their bio and it'll be clear as day.

How many murders are radical sjws committing compared to radicalized white men?
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DarthAragorn
03/31/18 11:00:52 PM
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Hey fuck white people am I right
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Phantom_Nook
03/31/18 11:01:27 PM
#37:


DarthAragorn posted...
Hey fuck white people am I right

just the ones that commit crimes.
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EverDownward
03/31/18 11:02:19 PM
#38:


gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?

Kill white people before they can kill non-white people
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/31/18 11:02:22 PM
#39:


Blue_Inigo posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
The Admiral posted within 90 seconds of the topic appearing.

Damn that was impressively quick.

He's gotta defend his white brethren


I mean, anyone can read both posts within a minute and 18 seconds. We all did that I'm sure. I'm just impressed that he refreshed the topic list (or left the previous one or arrived at the right moment) and saw the topic quickly enough to read it and post within that amount of time. He had excellent timing.
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Balnazarr
03/31/18 11:02:25 PM
#40:


gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?


Nothing
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gunplagirl
03/31/18 11:05:35 PM
#41:


Balnazarr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?


Nothing


But what if

I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as the cure for racism

Oh oh ho delightfully devilish, gunpla
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/31/18 11:06:25 PM
#42:


Vertania posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
He'll call BLM a bunch of terrorists even though they haven't been responsible for any murders but ...

Because the Dallas shooter and the mobs in Milwaukee/Ferguson/Baltimore that were attacking white people and burning down local buildings were just "lone wolfs."

Maybe the article has a point:
But maybe it's time to panic a little, or at least understand that these incidents are connected and require an organized response from our politicians, law enforcement, and media. When hundreds of "lone wolves" are reading the same websites, talking to each other, consuming the same stories, picking up easily accessible weapons, and killing the same targets, they have become a pack.


I wonder what y'all would be saying even he conveniently left out that little sensationalized opinion piece of a final paragraph there.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
03/31/18 11:08:54 PM
#43:


Balnazarr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?


Nothing


So should we at least try and correct the problem or just be complacent?
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Ben_Ruggiero
03/31/18 11:10:00 PM
#44:


gunplagirl posted...
Balnazarr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?


Nothing


But what if

I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as the cure for racism

Oh oh ho delightfully devilish, gunpla

Was this some kinda shitty joke that only white people eat fast food
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FLUFFYGERM
03/31/18 11:10:11 PM
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> feigns concern over white terrorists

> is literally an Antifa shill
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NINExATExSEVEN
03/31/18 11:11:23 PM
#46:


A_Good_Boy posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
ledbowman posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Southern poverty law center

What about it.


It's biased as fuck and is extremely politically driven by an agenda. Have you read their bio?

Why are they wrong?


They're not wrong about white men becoming angry and hateful because of the propaganda they hear, because the same crap is happening with the left and their radical SJW propaganda indoctrinating people into radicalism.

What they are wrong about is the clear agenda they are trying to push, which is that white men are extremely dangerous in America and are a threat to minorities.

That's clearly bs because crime statistics prove that white men are nowhere near the highest level of crime even though they are the male majority.

So what's the SPLC agenda here? Well look up their bio and it'll be clear as day.

How many murders are radical sjws committing compared to radicalized white men?


Read post 30 for starters. Also don't act like the minority on white crime rates aren't high or politically motivated. You see anti white racism and calls for violence all the time coming from minorities.

But regardless this isn't a dick measuring contest. Radicalization is a huge problem wherever it comes from, and if we have domestic radicalization, it should be stopped but not blown out of proportion and used as extreme fear mongering that will just continue to divide us.
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ledbowman
03/31/18 11:11:41 PM
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The Admiral posted...
shitting-on-terrorists party.

Fixed. Do better next time.
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gunplagirl
03/31/18 11:17:48 PM
#48:


Ben_Ruggiero posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Balnazarr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?


Nothing


But what if

I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as the cure for racism

Oh oh ho delightfully devilish, gunpla

Was this some kinda shitty joke that only white people eat fast food


If you don't know what steamed hams are by now, what even are you doing with your life?
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foreveraIone
03/31/18 11:20:39 PM
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wow this topic really triggered the people it was meant to trigger
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Blue_Inigo
03/31/18 11:23:20 PM
#50:


Ben_Ruggiero posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Balnazarr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?


Nothing


But what if

I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as the cure for racism

Oh oh ho delightfully devilish, gunpla

Was this some kinda shitty joke that only white people eat fast food

Jesus...
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EverDownward
03/31/18 11:23:46 PM
#51:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Ben_Ruggiero posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Balnazarr posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Nomadic View posted...
tldr

tl;dr There's a problem in America where racist white people become radicalized and kill others, what can we do to combat this?


Nothing


But what if

I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as the cure for racism

Oh oh ho delightfully devilish, gunpla

Was this some kinda shitty joke that only white people eat fast food

Jesus...

Maybe they didn't know what steamed hams is. Is that so bad?
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