Current Events > Telford grooming gang: Police officer disputes 'sensationalised' amount of rapes

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Police have disputed the figure and say they are currently in touch with 46 victims and people at risk

A police officer has disputed fears that up to 1,000 girls may have been sexually abused by grooming gangs in Telford, calling the figure sensationalised.

The local council asked the Government to commission an inquiry into crimes dating back to the 1980s, but has been told to launch its own probe into the actions of police and authorities.

Lucy Allan, the MP for Telford, told The Independent the council has accepted the recommendation and will commission an independent chair to run the inquiry, as happened in Rotherham.

"It would not be appropriate for the council conduct its own inquiry, and they have agreed to an independent inquiry which is to be welcomed," she added.

MP calls for inquiry into 'extremely shocking' abuse in Telford

Ms Allan told the House of Commons work should start without delay and leave no stone unturned in giving victims answers.

Theresa May said she was shocked and paid tribute to campaigner Holly Archer and the Sunday Mirror journalist who brought the story to light.

"I think we have all been shocked by the horrific case that we have seen in Telford of some of the most vulnerable in our country being preyed upon by ruthless criminals, the Prime Minister told MPs.

"Sadly, of course, this is not the first example that we have seen taking place across our country.

"I am pleased that the authorities are now going to conduct an inquiry: it is important that it begins its work in order to get to the truth and does that as quickly as possible.

An investigation by the Sunday Mirror investigation found that up to 1,000 girls in the Shropshire town may have been victims of grooming gangs since the 1980s.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/telford-grooming-gang-police-officer-girls-sex-abuse-shropshire-fears-children-a8255841.html

Seems like some people will believe anything the right says when it comes to hating migrants.
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"It's only hundreds, not thousands"
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"we were only covering up a bit of rape, guys"
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"Now it's okay to doubt women's claims of rape if migrants are the ones being accused."
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The Admiral posted...

"Now it's okay to doubt women's claims of rape if migrants are the ones being accused."

Stop salivating. Nobody is denying the claim. But the figure is vastly sensationalized to suit people with an agenda.
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Doubt is always acceptable since women have been known to lie about it before.

Also that whole pesky innocent until proven guilty thing...

The Admiral posted...

"Now it's okay to doubt women's claims of rape if migrants are the ones being accused."

From the original report;

Our investigators have spoken to 12 victims, most of them unconnected.

They accused more than 70 abusers and claimed that violent rapes were still taking place just months ago.

That's a far cry from 1,000.

StanZarnack posted...

The Admiral posted...

"Now it's okay to doubt women's claims of rape if migrants are the ones being accused."

Stop salivating. Nobody is denying the claim. But the figure is vastly sensationalized to suit people with an agenda.

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a shitty Red-Top Tabloid sensationalizing a story? i'm almost surprised.
and as always, the usual suspects eats the story whole.
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Figures people with an agenda would under report the crimes being committed.
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BTW, for people who agree with the agenda-speak about these rapes being sensationalized, this is a related story to this one on the left side:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-1500-victims-
investigation-police-national-crime-agency-pakistani-white-a8219971.html
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More than 1,500 people may have been abused by grooming gangs in Rotherham, according to officials leading the biggest investigation of its kind in the UK.

Around 100 more potential victims have been discovered in the wake of Alexis Jays damning report on how authorities had ignored sexual exploitation in the South Yorkshire town for more than a decade.

The National Crime Agency (NCA), which is investigating grooming activity between 1997 and 2013, said some had come forward themselves and others had been identified by other survivors or through analysis of a local youth project and social care files.

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shockthemonkey posted...

The Admiral posted...

BTW, for people who agree with the agenda-speak about these rapes being sensationalized, this is a related story to this one on the left side:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-1500-victims-
investigation-police-national-crime-agency-pakistani-white-a8219971.html
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More than 1,500 people may have been abused by grooming gangs in Rotherham, according to officials leading the biggest investigation of its kind in the UK.

Around 100 more potential victims have been discovered in the wake of Alexis Jays damning report on how authorities had ignored sexual exploitation in the South Yorkshire town for more than a decade.

The National Crime Agency (NCA), which is investigating grooming activity between 1997 and 2013, said some had come forward themselves and others had been identified by other survivors or through analysis of a local youth project and social care files.

Stop trying to make everything left vs right, you sound ridiculous

Which side is which here? Usually wanting to expose mass sexual abuse and exploitation of women is a left-leaning position, but for some reasons you guys are much quieter on this one. I wonder why...?


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shockthemonkey posted...

The Admiral posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

The Admiral posted...

BTW, for people who agree with the agenda-speak about these rapes being sensationalized, this is a related story to this one on the left side:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-1500-victims-
investigation-police-national-crime-agency-pakistani-white-a8219971.html
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More than 1,500 people may have been abused by grooming gangs in Rotherham, according to officials leading the biggest investigation of its kind in the UK.

Around 100 more potential victims have been discovered in the wake of Alexis Jays damning report on how authorities had ignored sexual exploitation in the South Yorkshire town for more than a decade.

The National Crime Agency (NCA), which is investigating grooming activity between 1997 and 2013, said some had come forward themselves and others had been identified by other survivors or through analysis of a local youth project and social care files.

Stop trying to make everything left vs right, you sound ridiculous

Which side is which here? Usually wanting to expose mass sexual abuse and exploitation of women is a left-leaning position, but for some reasons you guys are much quieter on this one. I wonder why...?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

He has a point and you don't like it. That seems to be the problem.

There was a bogus "study" floating around that claimed to show that Muslims made up the vast majority of perps in cases involving a particular type of sexual abuse. It was popular in right wing circles. Here's a deconstruction of the study. You can verify by using google search yourself.

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/grooming-gangs-quilliam-the-myth-of-the-84-percent-cc834b57fcf3

It is weird that people are suddenly willing to believe the police, who were caught being negligent at best and complicit at worst, when they say the number of rape victims by Pakistani rape gangs are "sensationalized".
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The Admiral posted...

"Now it's okay to doubt women's claims of rape if migrants are the ones being accused."

I am not doubting women's claims. I am doubting whatever trash investigation was conducted (if it was conducted at all) by a tabloid named "The Sunday Mirror"
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The Admiral posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

The Admiral posted...

BTW, for people who agree with the agenda-speak about these rapes being sensationalized, this is a related story to this one on the left side:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rotherham-grooming-gangs-1500-victims-
investigation-police-national-crime-agency-pakistani-white-a8219971.html
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More than 1,500 people may have been abused by grooming gangs in Rotherham, according to officials leading the biggest investigation of its kind in the UK.

Around 100 more potential victims have been discovered in the wake of Alexis Jays damning report on how authorities had ignored sexual exploitation in the South Yorkshire town for more than a decade.

The National Crime Agency (NCA), which is investigating grooming activity between 1997 and 2013, said some had come forward themselves and others had been identified by other survivors or through analysis of a local youth project and social care files.

Stop trying to make everything left vs right, you sound ridiculous

Which side is which here? Usually wanting to expose mass sexual abuse and exploitation of women is a left-leaning position, but for some reasons you guys are much quieter on this one. I wonder why...?

Because their most sacred cows are the ones in the spotlight and they don't like it
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Ammonitida posted...

There was a bogus "study" floating around that claimed to show that Muslims made up the vast majority of perps in cases involving a particular type of sexual abuse. It was popular in right wing circles. Here's a deconstruction of the study. You can verify by using google search yourself.

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/grooming-gangs-quilliam-the-myth-of-the-84-percent-cc834b57fcf3

Group-Based Child Sexual Exploitation: Dissecting Grooming Gangs is the recently released research report by UK counter-extremism think tank, the Quilliam Foundation.

Quilliam is a London-based left-of-centre think tank that focuses on counter-extremism, specifically against Islamism, which it argues represents a desire to impose a given interpretation of Islam on society.

Using a group with a clear agenda to refute another with an alleged agenda. Nice rebuttal.
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Esrac posted...

It is weird that people are suddenly willing to believe the police, who were caught being negligent at best and complicit at worst, when they say the number of rape victims by Pakistani rape gangs are "sensationalized".

And again, it's not about "believing the police" it's more like The police said one thing and Loki over there has a completely contradictory story.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Esrac posted...

It is weird that people are suddenly willing to believe the police, who were caught being negligent at best and complicit at worst, when they say the number of rape victims by Pakistani rape gangs are "sensationalized".

And again, it's not about "believing the police" it's more like The police said one thing and Loki over there has a completely contradictory story.

More like some reporter exposed the negligence of the police and the police, to cover their asses,are trying to tell everyone it wasn't that bad.

I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if this wasn't the third major rape gang scandal I'd heard about.
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Esrac posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Esrac posted...

It is weird that people are suddenly willing to believe the police, who were caught being negligent at best and complicit at worst, when they say the number of rape victims by Pakistani rape gangs are "sensationalized".

And again, it's not about "believing the police" it's more like The police said one thing and Loki over there has a completely contradictory story.

More like some reporter exposed the negligence of the police and the police, to cover their asses,are trying to tell everyone it wasn't that bad.

I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if this wasn't the third major rape gang scandal I'd heard about.

Yeah, this is far from the only city to have an issue with these migrant grooming gangs. There is another story about one literally on the same as this article trying to refute it. It would be a vast conspiracy if these were all being coordinated by different police departments and local newspapers.
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The Admiral posted...

Esrac posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Esrac posted...

It is weird that people are suddenly willing to believe the police, who were caught being negligent at best and complicit at worst, when they say the number of rape victims by Pakistani rape gangs are "sensationalized".

And again, it's not about "believing the police" it's more like The police said one thing and Loki over there has a completely contradictory story.

More like some reporter exposed the negligence of the police and the police, to cover their asses,are trying to tell everyone it wasn't that bad.

I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if this wasn't the third major rape gang scandal I'd heard about.

Yeah, this is far from the only city to have an issue with these migrant grooming gangs. There is another story about one literally on the same as this article trying to refute it. It would be a vast conspiracy if these were all being coordinated by different police departments and local newspapers.

The number is overblown to appease people like you who want to say what victims white people are, admit it.
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StanZarnack posted...

The Admiral posted...

Esrac posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Esrac posted...

It is weird that people are suddenly willing to believe the police, who were caught being negligent at best and complicit at worst, when they say the number of rape victims by Pakistani rape gangs are "sensationalized".

And again, it's not about "believing the police" it's more like The police said one thing and Loki over there has a completely contradictory story.

More like some reporter exposed the negligence of the police and the police, to cover their asses,are trying to tell everyone it wasn't that bad.

I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if this wasn't the third major rape gang scandal I'd heard about.

Yeah, this is far from the only city to have an issue with these migrant grooming gangs. There is another story about one literally on the same as this article trying to refute it. It would be a vast conspiracy if these were all being coordinated by different police departments and local newspapers.

The number is overblown to appease people like you who want to say what victims white people are, admit it.

Youre the one engaging in conspiracy theories here. Might want to take a long look in the mirror.
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GOOMFalse posted...

"It's only hundreds, not thousands"

pretty much as im reading it
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Can I just say, as a British guy, who grew up in an area with many pakistani migrants... that a lot of them do engage in this. There was an incident a few years ago, very close to where I live right now, where Pakistanis had been giving teenage girls free food and "legal high" pills out the back of their takeout restaurants, and would eventually just get them at houses, get them drunk or on drugs etc.

My girlfriend currently was followed home by a Pakistani man when she was 14 and ended up running home. Another time as a young girl when she was with her friend, they were approached by a van driver and asked if they wanted to go to a party.

There's also been a grooming gang sting in my local city recently.

Anyway, I just thought to add in my RL experiences with this. To any non-britons: this situation is as bad as it sounds in some areas.
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StanZarnack posted...

The number is overblown to appease people like you who want to say what victims white people are, admit it.

I am pretty sure most of the victims in these cases are muslim children.
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-Gavirulax- posted...

No, the majority of victims are not Muslim as they're viewed as untouchable via the mad religious laws.

I doubt that. Especially when the amount of incest in UK muslim communities is as high as it is.
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CarlGrimes posted...

-Gavirulax- posted...

No, the majority of victims are not Muslim as they're viewed as untouchable via the mad religious laws.

I doubt that. Especially when the amount of incest in UK muslim communities is as high as it is.

It seems likely that most of the victims are probably white British girls. They were in the Rotherham and Rochdale scandals involving Pakistani rape gangs.
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The Admiral posted...

To be fair, that pic works for annoying liberals and conservatives.
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So it's just Telford stuff being sensationalized, not the other rape-gang complicity stories?
I mean, there are 3? towns with insane instances of rape gangs grooming girls but it's only 1 town this time right being sensationalized?
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Mberer posted...

Media sensationalism sucks

Ya, that's definitely the big issue here
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It could be an issue.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

So it's just Telford stuff being sensationalized, not the other rape-gang complicity stories?
I mean, there are 3? towns with insane instances of rape gangs grooming girls but it's only 1 town this time right being sensationalized?

Apparently.
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It could be an issue.

It could be an issue.