Current Events > Let's just increasing the minimum wage! Make it $40/hour!

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Why not pay the guys flipping your burgers at Wendy's the same, if not more than people who went to university for 4+ years learning in demand and complex skills!

It just makes sense!

They deserve a good life too! They were born after all, weren't they!
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Let's just increasing
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I'd pay someone $40/hr to keep you from posting dumb shit.
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Patchwork posted...

I'd pay someone $40/hr to keep you from posting dumb shit.

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It just makes sense damn it! No need for complex economic discussions! These guys deserve big houses and nice lives for flipping your burgers!
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$25 an hour seems fair.
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Hi troll
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No need to strain your brains thinking about difficult subjects like economics! Those CEOs are conspiring to keep these people down! Let's go off emotional appeals!
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Let's not, but let's also not pretend there aren't a ton of people in this country willing and in many cases actually are working full time and still not able to get by. Surely you can agree that something is wrong with that?
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Solid Snake07 posted...

Let's not, but let's also not pretend there aren't a ton of people in this country willing and in many cases actually are working full time and still not able to get by. Surely you can agree that something is wrong with that?

No I don't agree. It's up to you, the individual, to make yourself useful to society. You don't see me opening a shop to temper knights' armor and complain about not getting enough customers. Manual labor is losing it's value in society as we become more knowledge and service based. If you want to succeed you need to adapt.
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REMercsChamp posted...

Why not pay the guys flipping your burgers at Wendy's the same, if not more than people who went to university for 4+ years learning in demand and complex skills!

while $40/hr is a bit extreme, the general sense of "hey I went to school and don't want to make the same as people who didn't" is the wrong way to look at any wage increases
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Raise it to 1 trillion dollars an hour, that way everyone would be rich!
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prince_leo posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

Why not pay the guys flipping your burgers at Wendy's the same, if not more than people who went to university for 4+ years learning in demand and complex skills!

while $40/hr is a bit extreme, the general sense of "hey I went to school and don't want to make the same as people who didn't" is the wrong way to look at any wage increases

It entails you've got some skills or knowledge that makes you useful beyond manual labor.
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Samuel L. Jackson, English, etc.
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REMercsChamp posted...

It entails you've got some skills or knowledge that makes you useful beyond manual labor.

well sure, but you should be happy other people are making more money and how you now have some leverage with your employer (if min. wage is increased to $15 and you are stuck at $16, you can tell them to give you a raise or to fuck off cause you'll be able to find a job easy enough)
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Vermander posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'd pay someone $40/hr to keep you from posting dumb shit.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Vermander posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'd pay someone $40/hr to keep you from posting dumb shit.

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Vermander posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'd pay someone $40/hr to keep you from posting dumb shit.

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REMercsChamp posted...

It just makes sense damn it! No need for complex economic discussions! These guys deserve big houses and nice lives for flipping your burgers!

We're ready for you to start the complex economic discussion instead of these ridiculous strawmen any time.

Yeah! SLAMMING!
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MabusIncarnate posted...

Let's just increasing

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Why are you so triggered tc? Do you want to talk about it?
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@Complete_Idi0t

You got some competition
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We just need to burn this shit to the ground and go back to the bartering system.

"Hey, I want this good and/or service you have to offer in exchange for this good and/or service I have to offer. Deal?"
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This is such a good point. If everyone made at least $40 an hour, everyone would have a lot of money and there wouldn't be poor people anymore. We should do this but also just make it an even $50. Why hasn't this been done already?
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To anyone in fast food who wants a pay increase: Shut up and flip my burgers. Nobody cares about you. Try harder in your next life and maybe things won't suck so bad for you.
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Maybe more money should have been put into whatever public school you went to
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AzureAnihilator posted...

To anyone in fast food who wants a pay increase: Shut up and flip my burgers. Nobody cares about you. Try harder in your next life and maybe things won't suck so bad for you.

I don't want a pay increase, but it's this treatment of customer service employees as being lesser humans that is really irritating and why you see so many of them complaining.

I would throw it back and say that I'm the one making your food for you since you were too damn lazy (or incompetent) to cook it yourself.
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Vermander posted...

Patchwork posted...

I'd pay someone $40/hr to keep you from posting dumb shit.

lol
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REMercsChamp posted...

Solid Snake07 posted...

Let's not, but let's also not pretend there aren't a ton of people in this country willing and in many cases actually are working full time and still not able to get by. Surely you can agree that something is wrong with that?

No I don't agree. It's up to you, the individual, to make yourself useful to society. You don't see me opening a shop to temper knights' armor and complain about not getting enough customers. Manual labor is losing it's value in society as we become more knowledge and service based. If you want to succeed you need to adapt.

You know damn well not everyone can be an engineer, and there are plenty of jobs that require a piece of paper that costs you roughly 4 years and thousands of dollars to obtain that shouldn't.

There are plenty of flaws with the American job market
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

I want to know what would happen if minimum wage was determined by inflation. We wouldn't have to worry about constantly changing it every several years/decades, and the economy itself would dictate the wage. Curious as to what @Darkman124 has to say about it since he actually knows how the federal reserve works with this kind of stuff.

Hard to say for certain what would happen over time, but most likely the fact that we didn't do this is partially responsible for the strong upward trend of the investor class's share of the wealth, and the downward trend of the working class's share of the wealth.

I can say it wouldn't cause inflation itself, because fiscal/social policy doesn't do that. Money supply does that, and the fed controls that via printing and interest rates, something they can easily control.

I expect the larger fear is that it would spike unemployment, as many jobs have salaries that hover just above minimum wage, and are subject to the constant specter of automation.
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to offer some pre-emptive answers, had we done this 20-30 years ago i expect we'd have seen automation technologies prioritized sooner.

economic growth tends to occur via creative destruction and sometimes the fallout lands on a specific subgroup while enriching others. though it almost never hurts the investor class. the rich generally win.
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Darkman124 posted...

to offer some pre-emptive answers, had we done this 20-30 years ago i expect we'd have seen automation technologies prioritized sooner.

economic growth tends to occur via creative destruction and sometimes the fallout lands on a specific subgroup while enriching others. though it almost never hurts the investor class. the rich generally win.

Can you imagine if it was the other way though? If the poor always won?

Picture a drug addicted, teenage mom that has 8 kids and 12 dogs. You want these people to come out on top and drag society down with them?
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EastKingStar posted...

This is such a good point. If everyone made at least $40 an hour, everyone would have a lot of money and there wouldn't be poor people anymore. We should do this but also just make it an even $50. Why hasn't this been done already?

RedWhiteBlue posted...

I want to know what would happen if minimum wage was determined by inflation.

https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/story_main/public/story/images/Zimbabwe%20Trillion_3_CROP.jpg

What if, and I may be going out on a limb here, we raise the minimum wage some because wages shouldn't stagnate, but not to the strawman whatever crazy amount people make up to shoot down the idea for some reason.

I also don't know why people focus on the minimum when plenty of people making above that want to see the floor raised because they are also bleeding money and making less than their forerunners.
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hockeybub89 posted...

What if, and I may be going out on a limb here, we raise the minimum wage some because wages shouldn't stagnate, but not to the strawman whatever crazy amount people make up to shoot down the idea for some reason.

8 kids and 12 fucking dogs. You want these people crippling society.
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REMercsChamp posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

What if, and I may be going out on a limb here, we raise the minimum wage some because wages shouldn't stagnate, but not to the strawman whatever crazy amount people make up to shoot down the idea for some reason.

8 kids and 12 fucking dogs. You want these people crippling society.

Maybe we need to rethink society if making sure people can support themselves will destroy it. I just want the minimum to be just enough to get by independently. As it stands, making more than minimum isn't guaranteeing you safety and status quo.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Maybe we need to rethink society if making sure people can support themselves will destroy it. I just want the minimum to be just enough to get by independently. As it stands, making more than minimum isn't guaranteeing you safety and status quo.

I wonder what it would really cost to provide every adult a small studio apartment, basic medical care, and 2000 calories a day.