Poll of the Day > If someone broke into your house and you had a gun, would you shoot them?

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Jen0125 posted...

oh okay, so just saying stupid shit sober then.

Yep!
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Zangulus posted...

Like I was performing a 100th trimester abortion...

You wouldn't even need to shoot them .
One look at you (and your beard) and they'd run away.

LinkPizza posted...

Jen0125 posted...

oh okay, so just saying stupid shit sober then.

Yep!

it happens!
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Jen0125 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Jen0125 posted...

oh okay, so just saying stupid shit sober then.

Yep!

it happens!

It does!
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

XBoner posted...

if you shoot him in the back for instance, can't you be charged?

unless they are attacking/going to attack someone then yes, you will be charged in most places

which is why you always shoot to kill. that way there is no other side of the story than the one you are giving
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Troll_Police_ posted...

which is why you always shoot to kill. that way there is no other side of the story than the one you are giving

i mean there are forensics though. they can tell if you killed someone running away, you know that right?
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if I say that someone was running toward someone else the corpse isn't gonna argue

Jen0125 posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

which is why you always shoot to kill. that way there is no other side of the story than the one you are giving

i mean there are forensics though. they can tell if you killed someone running away, you know that right?

Yeah, but you could always say they were about to go after somebody else. No saying that it is the right thing to do. But you could possibly do that. Like say they were about to attack you SO or child or whatever. Again, it may not be the right thing to do(or it might), but either way, you could say that...
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okay so you want to commit a crime, kill someone who is not a threat any longer and lie about it?

you're a stand up guy lmao

and you say you're not dangerous with a gun. k.
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Jen0125 posted...

okay so you want to commit a crime, kill someone who is not a threat any longer and lie about it?

you're a stand up guy lmao

and you say you're not dangerous with a gun. k.

Never said I want to or would do it. Haha. I saying that you could do that. But if that's what Troll_Police_ wants to do, he can.
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Only if I lived in texas

i thought troll police made that post, sorry. i misread the poster.
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Jen0125 posted...

i thought troll police made that post, sorry. i misread the poster.

Oh. It's fine. I was just saying that it was possible. I watch to many murder mystery shows. Haha.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Without question. Fuck them.

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Jen0125 posted...

okay so you want to commit a crime, kill someone who is not a threat any longer and lie about it?

you're a stand up guy lmao

and you say you're not dangerous with a gun. k.

Not at all what I said, but you just keep living in fear. Whatever helps your victim complex.

you can say knives and i have a victim complex as much as you want but you're the only one acting victimized in any of these topics.
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Jen0125 posted...

you can say knives and i have a victim complex as much as you want but you're the only one acting victimized in any of these topics.

lol

GUNS ARE SCARY TO ME! WE GOTTA TAKE THEM ALL AWAY!

but im the victim. hilarious.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

Jen0125 posted...

you can say knives and i have a victim complex as much as you want but you're the only one acting victimized in any of these topics.

lol

GUNS ARE SCARY TO ME! WE GOTTA TAKE THEM ALL AWAY!

but im the victim. hilarious.

Obamas coming for your guns! Oh, wait. No, he didnt, nor did any other Democrats. Thats just a scare tactic Republicans love to use.
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Once somebody has started replying with images (the same image over and over no less) they have lost the argument and can be disregarded.

lol way to represent your cause dude.

darkknight109 posted...

synth_real posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Smarkil posted...

That sounds great unless you're a 5'2 110 lb. woman and he's a 200 lb+ male. Guns are an equalizer.

In a fight between a 110 lb woman and a 200 lb man whose hands are occupied by a TV, my money is still on the woman.

And even if that wasn't the case, see previous point: a TV is not more valuable than a human life.

You do know he could just set the TV down for a few seconds, right? Or just kick her

I have an experiment for you - go pick up your TV, then try kicking something. Unless you have a pretty small TV, you're going to have a difficult time getting much power into it.

Kicking is also a really shitty defence unless you are actually trained. It puts you off-balance (when you're already top-heavy due to holding a heavy TV) and most people can't kick above their own hips while still generating any respectable power (martial artists excepted). They're also generally pretty slow attacks compared to a punch.

As for putting the TV down, the robber is going to have a choice between dropping and likely breaking the TV, thus rendering it worthless for stealing, or taking several seconds to gently put it down somewhere, which is ample time for the woman to grab whatever melee tool is at hand (an umbrella, a lamp, a chair) and brain the guy with it.

Flat screen TVs aren't that heavy, more awkward than anything else. I have no problems with the weight of a 50 inch flat screen (but then again, I've also been doing manual labour for the majority of my adult life, maybe you don't have as much experience with heavy lifting.) A 200 pound man isn't going to need to use too much force to knock down a woman half his size. I once accidentally bowled over a woman that size by walking into her (looking one way while walking the other) and I don't even weigh that much.
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If I could get them to leave without shooting them, that's preferable. I'd only do that as an absolute last resort.

Not at all. I would comply with the shooter and actually help him take my stuff outside so he won't hurt me and he won't be killing me since I promised not to rat him out. Lmao of course I would shoot them. They gonna kill u buddy

xcrimx posted...

Not at all. I would comply with the shooter and actually help him take my stuff outside so he won't hurt me and he won't be killing me since I promised not to rat him out. Lmao of course I would shoot them. They gonna kill u buddy

No, they arent. They just want your stuff. They know that if/when they get caught, theyre looking at a minimum of 15-20 years for armed robbery. They dont want the death penalty or life without parole added to it.
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yeah it's very rare for a home robbery to escalate to murder

but guns can certainly assist with that
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TyVulpine posted...

No, they arent. At least not all of them. They just want your stuff. They know that if/when they get caught, theyre already looking at a minimum of 15-20 years for armed robbery. They dont want the death penalty or life without parole added to it.

You sure do place an awful lot of faith in the rationality of a person who has no qualms about breaking into your house and using force to take your possessions. Criminals are widely renowned for their abilities to assess situations, act rationally and properly consider the pros and cons before acting. That's why they do things like risk years in prison for amounts of money typically under 1 grand.
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Rasmoh posted...

TyVulpine posted...

No, they arent. At least not all of them. They just want your stuff. They know that if/when they get caught, theyre already looking at a minimum of 15-20 years for armed robbery. They dont want the death penalty or life without parole added to it.

You sure do place an awful lot of faith in the rationality of a person who has no qualms about breaking into your house and using force to take your possessions. Criminals are widely renowned for their abilities to assess situations, act rationally and properly consider the pros and cons before acting. That's why they do things like risk years in prison for amounts of money typically under 1 grand.

See highlighted section. Not all thieves are gung-ho on murdering someone for their possessions. They just want to get in, get the stuff and get out as fast as possible, and do it quietly. A gunshot would wake the whole neighborhood and draw unwanted attention to themselves.
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TyVulpine posted...

They just want to get in, get the stuff and get out as fast as possible, and do it quietly. A gunshot would wake the whole neighborhood and draw unwanted attention to themselves.

Again, you place a lot of faith in the ability of a burglar to act rationally when they are in the process of doing something completely irrational. These are not master criminals, they are low level thugs, often on drugs, prone to panicking. The term burglarly/robbery-gone-wrong exists for a reason.
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Rasmoh posted...

TyVulpine posted...

They just want to get in, get the stuff and get out as fast as possible, and do it quietly. A gunshot would wake the whole neighborhood and draw unwanted attention to themselves.

Again, you place a lot of faith in the ability of a burglar to act rationally when they are in the process of doing something completely irrational. These are not master criminals, they are low level thugs, often on drugs, prone to panicking. The term burglarly/robbery-gone-wrong exists for a reason.

And you believe theyre hell bent on killing. SMFH
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I would hold them at gunpoint until the cops arrived, unless the guy tried to actually make a move at me.
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TyVulpine posted...

Rasmoh posted...

TyVulpine posted...

They just want to get in, get the stuff and get out as fast as possible, and do it quietly. A gunshot would wake the whole neighborhood and draw unwanted attention to themselves.

Again, you place a lot of faith in the ability of a burglar to act rationally when they are in the process of doing something completely irrational. These are not master criminals, they are low level thugs, often on drugs, prone to panicking. The term burglarly/robbery-gone-wrong exists for a reason.

And you believe theyre hell bent on killing. SMFH

I don't think that they're hell bent on killing. But most may kill if they think it's their only way of getting out of this without getting caught...
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TyVulpine posted...

Rasmoh posted...

TyVulpine posted...

They just want to get in, get the stuff and get out as fast as possible, and do it quietly. A gunshot would wake the whole neighborhood and draw unwanted attention to themselves.

Again, you place a lot of faith in the ability of a burglar to act rationally when they are in the process of doing something completely irrational. These are not master criminals, they are low level thugs, often on drugs, prone to panicking. The term burglarly/robbery-gone-wrong exists for a reason.

And you believe theyre hell bent on killing. SMFH

even if they aren't when they start, they can change their minds when caught, or attack out of fear from being caught. even if they don't intend on killing, they can still intend on harming you
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Rasmoh posted...

TyVulpine posted...

They just want to get in, get the stuff and get out as fast as possible, and do it quietly. A gunshot would wake the whole neighborhood and draw unwanted attention to themselves.

Again, you place a lot of faith in the ability of a burglar to act rationally when they are in the process of doing something completely irrational. These are not master criminals, they are low level thugs, often on drugs, prone to panicking. The term burglarly/robbery-gone-wrong exists for a reason.

And you believe theyre hell bent on killing. SMFH

even if they aren't when they start, they can change their minds when caught, or attack out of fear from being caught. even if they don't intend on killing, they can still intend on harming you

Also, why is the life of someone who is willfully putting my property and family at risk worth more than my property and family?

Agreed. They aren't worth more than your family or property. Also some of you must underestimate what mind/mood altering drugs can do to a humans body. And thats fine. I would encourage you to go to one of those recovery drug groupings one day and see what really goes on.

FYI I may not kill, but incapacitating them definitely!!

swords, bowie knife, spiked maces, jeweled flail, double bladed axe, a mek'leth even, etc. Im going to get some deep tissue damage and blunt trauma. >:)
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^
thats much worse for you legally than killing them. they can lie and say whatever they want
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blackhrt posted...

Agreed. They aren't worth more than your family or property. Also some of you must underestimate what mind/mood altering drugs can do to a humans body. And thats fine. I would encourage you to go to one of those recovery drug groupings one day and see what really goes on.

FYI I may not kill, but incapacitating them definitely!!

swords, bowie knife, spiked maces, jeweled flail, double bladed axe, a mek'leth even, etc. Im going to get some deep tissue damage and blunt trauma. >:)

I suddenly imagined a homeowner using a Bat'leth to incapacitate an intruder....."Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam, qoH!" ("Today is a good day to die, fool!")
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TyVulpine posted...

And you believe theyre hell bent on killing. SMFH

Never said they were. Just said that clearly they are already not behaving in a rational manner, which is why it would be foolish to just expect them to be rational. Burglarizing a home already shows that they are very irrational, so why would you gamble the lives on yourself and your family on their rationality?
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*burglar breaks in window*

"please excuse the intrusion everyone. I used to be a butler for a baron so please understand that I in no way plan on physically accosting you tonight. In fact, my plan was to only take a modest amount of items you own to sell & actually pay back any damages I made once I got back on my feet.
I want to also assure you all I do currently seek help in my drug & alcohol recovery and even though Im currently committing this felony, the recovery efforts are working."

Now I have a open mind about many things, but unless there is a sudden influx of burglars having that type of dialog when they break into your house, Im going to side with the being irrational group. :P
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Actually, I'm a loner with no friends and no one ever visits... why SHOULDN'T I just rationally and calmly shoot anyone I see by default since the only possible way I'd even see someone is if they're criming
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Yes. The way I see there is at least one car in my driveway at all times. I have roommates and there is usually someone home. So anyone breaking in is doing so with the knowledge that there is more than likely someone in there.

What they planned to do if they came across that person is reason enough to be ready to shoot.
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As a gun owner, no.
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