Current Events > Why do Republicans think arming teachers will keep schools safer?

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Whether or not it's a bad idea doesn't depend on whether it's mandatory or optional

Letting the teachers who want to carry a gun in front of a bunch of kids carry one is a bad idea though.
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Darmik posted...

Because;
Darmik posted...

Lets say there is a scenario where a teacher kills a student or innocent accidentally under duress. Could even be during a school shooting threat/lockdown.

What would happen?

Guns are an inherent risk. If one kid gets injured or killed unintentionally (or intentionally) by a gun that was located within the school and brought in by staff they will he held responsible.

Ok. So... Let the staff be held responsible.

Vertania posted...

Darmik posted...

Because;
Darmik posted...

Lets say there is a scenario where a teacher kills a student or innocent accidentally under duress. Could even be during a school shooting threat/lockdown.

What would happen?

Guns are an inherent risk. If one kid gets injured or killed unintentionally (or intentionally) by a gun that was located within the school and brought in by staff they will he held responsible.

Ok. So... Let the staff be held responsible.

And how do you think that would go down? There have been riots over police shootings.

I really doubt most principals out there would be happy with this risk at all. It's endangering students and fellow teachers to combat a scenario that isn't likely to happen to that individual school. I really doubt there's a way to calculate which American schools are more likely to experience a mass shooting.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Apparently CE thinks you need SWAT tactical training to be able to shoot a target without killing 50+ around you.

i think you're severely underrating inexperience and adrenaline

there are people that go into this intending to commit mass shootings and only killing a couple. why only a couple shouldn't it be easy? like a video game right?
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Darmik posted...

It's endangering students and fellow teachers to combat a scenario that isn't likely to happen to that individual school. I really doubt there's a way to calculate which American schools are more likely to experience a mass shooting.

It's not likely to happen at any school, but it can also happen at any school and at any time.

Yes, it can endanger students and teachers, but so do shootings. Most schools I know of already have armed security officers there, so maybe we just need more than one of them at each school. Arming trained teachers seems like a more efficient method though.

Have not read the topic but if people actually think that A) there is enough of a budget to arm all teachers, and B) that these teachers would be equipped to use these guns properly and not unintentionally lead to an innocent student's death, then they are sorely mistaken.
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ssk9716757 posted...

arm all teachers

I'm almost certain nobody actually wants that.

Anyone else find it ridiculous people who want to educate little kids are now being expected by gun nuts to learn how to use a gun to kill someone who might show up on their school with a gun. These are not people signing up for the marine corp or the LAPD. They are choosing to be teachers. A field of academia which I feel like so many of these people saying force guns in their hands didn't get enough of in their life.

Since this is about just dropping all the responsibility of these mass shootings on teachers why don't we let teachers across the nation decide if we should focus on gun control or focus on arming teachers?

It's the same logic that people use about only letting people who can be drafted decide on the draft.

And yes before people freak out about the first amendment it's a hypothetical. But I hope people see how ridiculous it is to just think the solution is to thrust guns in the hands of people who chose to give an education to children. It's idiotic and just flat out lazy.
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Vertania posted...

ssk9716757 posted...

arm all teachers

I'm almost certain nobody actually wants that.

yeah. republicans don't want to pay
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I don't get it, why not dispatch an undercover police officer or two for every school?
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Vita_Aeterna posted...

I don't get it, why not dispatch an undercover police officer or two for every school?

Yeah if only there was an armed guard at that Florida school....
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Spooking posted...

LIsJustice posted...

Teachers aren't trained in the same way.

Train them.

Pay them.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Vita_Aeterna posted...

I don't get it, why not dispatch an undercover police officer or two for every school?

Yeah if only there was an armed guard at that Florida school....

Oh lmao, didn't know that.

But still an armed guard is a bit different from an experience police officer.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Anyone else find it ridiculous people who want to educate little kids are now being expected by gun nuts to learn how to use a gun to kill someone who might show up on their school with a gun. These are not people signing up for the marine corp or the LAPD. They are choosing to be teachers.

I find it ridiculous that people keep suggesting "gun nuts want to arm all teachers." Again, I'm almost certain no one actually wants that.

Also, being a teacher doesn't preclude you from being a gun owner.

Because everyone is a loose cannon.
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Vertania posted...

Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

Anyone else find it ridiculous people who want to educate little kids are now being expected by gun nuts to learn how to use a gun to kill someone who might show up on their school with a gun. These are not people signing up for the marine corp or the LAPD. They are choosing to be teachers.

I find it ridiculous that people keep suggesting "gun nuts want to arm all teachers." Again, I'm almost certain no one actually wants that.

Also, being a teacher doesn't preclude you from being a gun owner.

I like the emphasis you put on the word all. Really shows how idiotic I was when I said to arm all teachers.
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Cosmic_Diabetic posted...

I like the emphasis you put on the word all. Really shows how idiotic I was when I said to arm all teachers.

You said teachers are expected to "learn how to use a gun." That implies you think teachers with no experience or interest in guns are expected to start carrying.

Realistically, only teachers who feel comfortable and competent enough and meet requirements would be carrying them.

metralo posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

Apparently CE thinks you need SWAT tactical training to be able to shoot a target without killing 50+ around you.

i think you're severely underrating inexperience and adrenaline

there are people that go into this intending to commit mass shootings and only killing a couple. why only a couple shouldn't it be easy? like a video game right?

It's not terribly difficult to shoot at a target. You're severely overestimating pointing your gun at something and pulling the trigger. How can an armed teacher make it worse, you think he's instead going to pump 10 rounds into the students for the nutjob?
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