Current Events > Are republicans ok with gun violence?

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Seems like
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It's the price of freedom
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yes

they deflect to mental health issues but don't want to pay for it.

they then talk about security in school but don't want to pay for it.

It's part-and-parcel of living in the US.
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I'm conservative and obviously I'm not okay with gun violence. I'm also not okay with car accidents or cars being used as weapons or homemade bombs, but I'm not going to pretend that banning things is the solution. Especially not when the 2nd amendment is a right in this country.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

car accidents or cars

deflecting to cars is Republican fallacy 101

Guns are more important then human lives. *wink*
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Of course. A few people dying every month so they can keep buying their guns is a worthy trade off.
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Actually the vast majority of Americans across political spectrum are in favor of limiting sales of guns to people with serious mental health issues, domestic abusers, convicted felons, and the like. Gun lobbies and manufacturers however, are not, and they're the ones conservative legislators listen to, so...
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Note that guns have been part of American culture for basically as long as we've been a country. These school shootings are a recent development. It's demonstrably not the guns.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

I'm conservative and obviously I'm not okay with gun violence. I'm also not okay with car accidents or cars being used as weapons or homemade bombs, but I'm not going to pretend that banning things is the solution. Especially not when the 2nd amendment is a right in this country.

But why do you go to the extreme of ban? How about common sense regulations like mental health background checks?
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DarkAmdusias posted...

Actually the vast majority of Americans across political spectrum are in favor of limiting sales of guns to people with serious mental health issues, domestic abusers, convicted felons, and the like. Gun lobbies and manufacturers however, are not, and they're the ones conservative legislators listen to, so...

That would be fair tbqh. Although we'd have to ask the question of "which rights can we limit and why"

Which we should discuss, since some people waive their access to certain rights anyway
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spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I'm conservative and obviously I'm not okay with gun violence. I'm also not okay with car accidents or cars being used as weapons or homemade bombs, but I'm not going to pretend that banning things is the solution. Especially not when the 2nd amendment is a right in this country.

But why do you go to the extreme of ban? How about common sense regulations like mental health background checks?

because republicans can't argue anything in good faith

spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I'm conservative and obviously I'm not okay with gun violence. I'm also not okay with car accidents or cars being used as weapons or homemade bombs, but I'm not going to pretend that banning things is the solution. Especially not when the 2nd amendment is a right in this country.

But why do you go to the extreme of ban? How about common sense regulations like mental health background checks?

I don't think anyone is against common sense regulations like those. What I'm seeing is that there are people, at least here, who are calling for outright bans.
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Yes, cause of sweep generalizations and complex thoughts that are misleadingly distilled into a few words that accomplish nothing
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Of course dey are
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I'm conservative and obviously I'm not okay with gun violence. I'm also not okay with car accidents or cars being used as weapons or homemade bombs, but I'm not going to pretend that banning things is the solution. Especially not when the 2nd amendment is a right in this country.

But why do you go to the extreme of ban? How about common sense regulations like mental health background checks?

I don't think anyone is against common sense regulations like those. What I'm seeing is that there are people, at least here, who are calling for outright bans.

We tried passing them a few years back and couldnt bc the fucking nra scumbags
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spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I'm conservative and obviously I'm not okay with gun violence. I'm also not okay with car accidents or cars being used as weapons or homemade bombs, but I'm not going to pretend that banning things is the solution. Especially not when the 2nd amendment is a right in this country.

But why do you go to the extreme of ban? How about common sense regulations like mental health background checks?

I don't think anyone is against common sense regulations like those. What I'm seeing is that there are people, at least here, who are calling for outright bans.

We tried passing them a few years back and couldnt bc the fucking nra scumbags

Ultimately though that type of background check would exclude just the people who have been institutionalized before, right? How else would you know who is about to go off the rails because they're batshit insane?

It might cause people to not seek mental help. Similar to how California's new stance on intentional HIV infections is designed to encourage more people to get treated for HIV. (It's counter intuitive, but if you severely punish people for knowingly infecting others with HIV, high-risk candidates will not get tested because they'd rather not know that they have HIV.)
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Republicans control congress. If they truly support expanding background checks and "common sense regulations," they have the power to pass them into law.

I'm not holding my breath.
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Antifar posted...

Republicans control congress. If they truly support background checks and "common sense regulations," they have the power to pass them into law.

I'm not holding my breath.

Right because politics is always that simple and that black and white.

lmao
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Lmao what an edgy and original topic
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Antifar posted...

Republicans control congress. If they truly support background checks and "common sense regulations," they have the power to pass them into law.

I'm not holding my breath.

Right because politics is always that simple and that black and white.

lmao

it is when you have majority in congress. do some damn work republicans.
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spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Antifar posted...

Republicans control congress. If they truly support background checks and "common sense regulations," they have the power to pass them into law.

I'm not holding my breath.

Right because politics is always that simple and that black and white.

lmao

it is when you have majority in congress. do some damn work republicans.

if it was that simple then literally everything the republican party wants would happen
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Antifar posted...

Republicans control congress. If they truly support background checks and "common sense regulations," they have the power to pass them into law.

I'm not holding my breath.

Right because politics is always that simple and that black and white.

lmao

it is when you have majority in congress. do some damn work republicans.

if it was that simple then literally everything the republican party wants would happen

they could have passed budgets months ago but they wait til last minute and massive pressure to do work. now we are here again with gun regulations.
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So long as gun companies throw money at them.
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@spudger

You gonna address post #18?
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While Democrats do have the power to filibuster some things with 40 votes in the Senate, I'm inclined to think they'd happily join in on a GOP effort to pass regulations on gun sales.

The Republican party found it within them to overhaul our tax system; they have yet to find the will for even a minor legislation towards reducing gun violence of the sort seen in Las Vegas.
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Antifar posted...

While Democrats do have the power to filibuster some things with 40 votes in the Senate, I'm inclined to think they'd happily join in on a GOP effort to pass regulations on gun sales.

The Republican party found it within them to overhaul our tax system; they have yet to find the will for even a token gesture towards reducing gun violence of the sort seen in Las Vegas.

The same Democrats who are suddenly concerned with where the money will come from to fund the infrastructure spending they'd have otherwise borrowed to fund? Not that simple.

And again, let's not pretend that there's some singular piece of legislation that will make this go away. It wasn't a lack of legislation that prevented these school shootings from occurring for most of our history as a nation.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

@spudger

You gonna address post #18?

idc about might be's i care about stopping children from being slaughtered by guns in the hands of literally everyone.
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So basically you have no argument or capability of nuance and are instead going to shitpost emotional drivel.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

So basically you have no argument or capability of nuance and are instead going to shitpost emotional drivel.

ugh. dude you arent arguing anything of substance. you already said you agreed on regulations. stop admiraling my topic
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spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

So basically you have no argument or capability of nuance and are instead going to shitpost emotional drivel.

ugh. dude you arent arguing anything of substance. you already said you agreed on regulations. stop admiraling my topic

I agree that there should be more in-depth background checks. But I disagree that it would make as much of a difference as you think.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

spudger posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

So basically you have no argument or capability of nuance and are instead going to shitpost emotional drivel.

ugh. dude you arent arguing anything of substance. you already said you agreed on regulations. stop admiraling my topic

I agree that there should be more in-depth background checks. But I disagree that it would make as much of a difference as you think.

So do you favor mental health screenings or not?

Are liberals ok with bomb and vehicular homicide violence? After all thats just the price we pay of living in a large city. Nothing we can do but carry on as normal.
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They don't want to alienate their core base which is gun toting Americans.

Its a trade off they're okay with.
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

They don't want to alienate their core base which is gun toting Americans.

Its a trade off they're okay with.

that's sad
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Nomadic View posted...

Are liberals ok with bomb and vehicular homicide violence? After all thats just the price we pay of living in a large city. Nothing we can do but carry on as normal.

We made the quite the leap here
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Gun manufacturers love school massacres because it drives sales up.
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NV can do nothing but deflect.

Of course they are.
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ilovuuu posted...

NV can do nothing but deflect.

he should change him name to The Deflector
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