Current Events > Would you agree with the idea to tax gun owners in America?

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Not like a one time deal, but a yearly, potentially escalating tax on only Gun owners depending on the amount of weapons they own? No one wants to take away the Second Amendment, but gun control is a major issue in this nation. And if they can tax my healthcare or my ability to drive a car, along with everything else, why couldn't placing a Tax on the Right to bear Arms be put in place...

Something needs to change, so why not make people that want guns pay for guns every year? Then if they want 15 or however many guns, they can. As long as they pay their taxes.
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no
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U wot m8
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That would literally do nothing to stop mass shootings. All you would be doing is taxing law abiding citizens.
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So you want to tax a constitutional right?

Let's make people pay to vote as well.
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You want to tax people for exercising their second amendment rights. Would you object to being taxed for proposing this, and being taxed on your first amendment rights?
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To what end? Where is that money going?
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Sure, if we also implement poll taxes and expression taxes.
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Honestly? No.

Uncle Choad posted...

So you want to tax a constitutional right?

Let's make people pay to vote as well.

r4X0r posted...

You want to tax people for exercising their second amendment rights. Would you object to being taxed for proposing this, and being taxed on your first amendment rights?

So if in this hypothetical the 2nd amendment went away, you'd be ok with it?

CruorComa posted...

To what end? Where is that money going?

a42ozslushie posted...

That would literally do nothing to stop mass shootings. All you would be doing is taxing law abiding citizens.

I would imagine this would mean the money would go to mental health and the like.
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No. It wouldn't do anything to curb the violence, and the government would then waste that tax money on something worthless.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

Honestly? No.

Uncle Choad posted...

So you want to tax a constitutional right?

Let's make people pay to vote as well.

r4X0r posted...

You want to tax people for exercising their second amendment rights. Would you object to being taxed for proposing this, and being taxed on your first amendment rights?

So if in this hypothetical the 2nd amendment went away, you'd be ok with it?

CruorComa posted...

To what end? Where is that money going?

a42ozslushie posted...

That would literally do nothing to stop mass shootings. All you would be doing is taxing law abiding citizens.

I would imagine this would mean the money would go to mental health and the like.

No, I'm pointing out how absurd it sounds.

And LOL @ thinking not only that the money ends up where they say it will end up, but that it will actually make a difference.
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Patchwork posted...

No. It wouldn't do anything to curb the violence, and the government would then waste that tax money on something worthless.

What if the money went to producing an army of ED209s on every street corner in America and Kurtwood Smiths presidential campaign?
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Yeah, considering 95% of guns in homicides are from the street, stolen, or just not purchased legally by the individual and that if someone was going to commit a mass shooting there would be no reason why they would care I don't see what the purpose would be except to tax law abiding people.
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Do you think we should tax freedom of expression as well?
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Violence involving guns or not doesn't matter. There will be violence anyway. But there is a Gun crisis in this country and nobody needs more then 2 guns. More then that, this isn't the same world that made the Right to Bare Arms such an important deal. We don't need to hunt for food all the time and we don't need multiple weapons for causal shooting. Many people don't even exercise this right. So why is it so hard to do something about guns when nobody can agree!

Would you want to send your kids to school fearing that they might not come home because someone shot up the school? Do you want to go someplace and see it robbed before your very eyes, maybe even have them threaten you personally? There are far too many guns in this country, enough that literally every citizen can own multiple. And not everyone owns guns... So why can't this nation tax a right that isn't truly necessary when we can't even have Healthcare for all? You know, that thing that everyone needs and is more important then being able to shoot an intruder that might come into your home?

So yeah, I'd tax guns... Think about it from a logical, 21st century view rather than backwards 18th century ideals when literally walking outside could kill a man. And I never said tax every gun. But tell me why a person might need more then 2 in everyday life if you're so adamant against it?
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like the criminals even register their black market guns. only would hurt the law abiding citizen
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Because I wanted a 1911 pistol, a SP101 revolver, a Ruger Mini14 and a shotgun. Thats why
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NYC does this already
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Hinakuluiau posted...

So if in this hypothetical the 2nd amendment went away, you'd be ok with it?

Of course not. Say the 1st amendment went away and all of a sudden the Republicans put a tax on anyone who proposed gun grabbing. You want to disarm people? Ok, fine, pay the government $5,000 per year to hold that view, or go to federal prison. You'd be OK with it?
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That'd just make people shoot places sooner to avoid the tax
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Hinakuluiau posted...

I would imagine this would mean the money would go to mental health and the like.

https://youtu.be/dzMq5_thk4o?t=1m31s
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Why?
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Nomadic View posted...

Why?

Keep guns out of the hands of filthy, violent proles and retain them as a privilege for the bourgeoisie. Because in America, everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others

So were bringing back poll taxes with that? Taxing people for owning a gun sets a pretty bad precedent where our rights are concerned. Have something negative to say about the government? Pay the free speech tax and fire away!
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Rixxell posted...

Violence involving guns or not doesn't matter. There will be violence anyway. But there is a Gun crisis in this country and nobody needs more then 2 guns. More then that, this isn't the same world that made the Right to Bare Arms such an important deal. We don't need to hunt for food all the time and we don't need multiple weapons for causal shooting. Many people don't even exercise this right. So why is it so hard to do something about guns when nobody can agree!

Would you want to send your kids to school fearing that they might not come home because someone shot up the school? Do you want to go someplace and see it robbed before your very eyes, maybe even have them threaten you personally? There are far too many guns in this country, enough that literally every citizen can own multiple. And not everyone owns guns... So why can't this nation tax a right that isn't truly necessary when we can't even have Healthcare for all? You know, that thing that everyone needs and is more important then being able to shoot an intruder that might come into your home?

So yeah, I'd tax guns... Think about it from a logical, 21st century view rather than backwards 18th century ideals when literally walking outside could kill a man. And I never said tax every gun. But tell me why a person might need more then 2 in everyday life if you're so adamant against it?

This literally has no correlation when healthcare. Don't try to make a baseless and nonsensical approach to emotion. Here is what I would say. In the US there is no correlation between amount of gun ownership and the amount of violent homicide. It is actually the opposite. Not that I even think it necessarily makes places more dangerous, but it doesn't have an effect cause like I said before most guns by a large percent used in homicides are not purchased by the perpetrator.

As far as the idea that taxation, more regulation, or even banning would lead to less gun violence. I will point you to every country right under the US. Also why does someone need more than 2 guns? Different purposes like hunting, self defense indoors, self defense outside, having accessibility at more than one location so you if you are faced with a violent intruder you aren't rendered unable to defend yourself. That said most people who own guns like to collect to an extent and have ones for different situations like previously mentioned.

So why would you need to limit the guns a non violent criminal owns and tax them when we know people who do these typically don't get guns through this method. The only thing this does is punish legal gun owners and people you might disagree with politically which seems like it could possibly be your intention anyways.
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Rixxell posted...

Violence involving guns or not doesn't matter. There will be violence anyway.

which makes gun taxes pointless

But there is a Gun crisis in this country

true but take away guns and they will find things worse and the bad guys still have their black market guns https://people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime1.htm

and nobody needs more then 2 guns. More then that, this isn't the same world that made the Right to Bare Arms such an important deal. We don't need to hunt for food all the time and we don't need multiple weapons for causal shooting.

all opinions. I hunt for food and have 3 guns. .22(small game), 30-06(big game), and 12 guage(turkey)
but i do think machine guns should be much much harder to get. no hunting use for them

Many people don't even exercise this right. So why is it so hard to do something about guns when nobody can agree!

to not hurt the people like me using guns the way they were designed to provide for themselves
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pokemonzero posted...

Rixxell posted...

Violence involving guns or not doesn't matter. There will be violence anyway.

which makes gun taxes pointless

But there is a Gun crisis in this country

true but take away guns and they will find things worse and the bad guys still have their black market guns https://people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime1.htm

and nobody needs more then 2 guns. More then that, this isn't the same world that made the Right to Bare Arms such an important deal. We don't need to hunt for food all the time and we don't need multiple weapons for causal shooting.

all opinions. I hunt for food and have 3 guns. .22(small game), 30-06(big game), and 12 guage(turkey)
but i do think machine guns should be much much harder to get. no hunting use for them

Many people don't even exercise this right. So why is it so hard to do something about guns when nobody can agree!

to not hurt the people like me using guns the way they were designed to provide for themselves

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MARKINGRAM22 posted...

This literally has no correlation when healthcare. Don't try to make a baseless and nonsensical approach to emotion. Here is what I would say. In the US there is no correlation between amount of gun ownership and the amount of violent homicide. It is actually the opposite. Not that I even think it necessarily makes places more dangerous, but it doesn't have an effect cause like I said before most guns by a large percent used in homicides are not purchased by the perpetrator.

As far as the idea that taxation, more regulation, or even banning would lead to less gun violence. I will point you to every country right under the US. Also why does someone need more than 2 guns? Different purposes like hunting, self defense indoors, self defense outside, having accessibility at more than one location so you if you are faced with a violent intruder you aren't rendered unable to defend yourself. That said most people who own guns like to collect to an extent and have ones for different situations like previously mentioned.

So why would you need to limit the guns a non violent criminal owns and tax them when we know people who do these typically don't get guns through this method. The only thing this does is punish legal gun owners and people you might disagree with politically which seems like it could possibly be your intention anyways.

Yes, this does collorate to Healthcare. First off, everyone has a right to live healthy lives, free of illness or whatever. Guns are the exact opposite, a tool designed to end life. So why shouldn't I bring healthcare into a discussion that is directly related to our Rights?

Next there is the fact that gun violence is a larger issue then just gun owners, but the number of gun owners is considerably less then the number of guns owned. And don't even start on illegal guns, for I will get there. The point is, that many injuries resulting from guns happen in the home, whether through accidents or domestic violence. Violence will always happen like I said, but removing or limiting the amount of guns available by taxing them is entirely viable option.

Next is illegal guns. No, taxation won't do anything about this situation. That's an entire gun control debate in itself. But why not make it a Felony to have possession of a gun illegally? Something needs to change and like it or not Gun Culture is entirely up to a person's choice. Sure one can argue about nonviolent offenders raising prison populations solely by having illegal weapons, but what purpose does an illegal weapon serve if not crime? These are tools designed to kill and the very idea that someone has weapons illegally should be punished very harshly, no?

We only have 2 hands, why do you need more then 2 guns? Hunting isn't something everyone does everyday and self defense is just as likely to get someone injured for no reason. Having multiple guns is fine, but we need to address the state of the world where nobody needs a gun. Taxing guns is an acceptable proposal for gun control, whether we like it or not. The overall idea is to stop having to fear events like these and the only way that happens is removing and or limiting guns. All the way around. Even if that means our Second Amendment Right must have limitations placed upon it. The Constitution was written in a way to evolve with the times. Prohibition happened and failed. But I don't propose an outright repeal, I propose a potential solution that keeps our right and allows a means for every American that supports Gun Culture to keep their culture. At a price, because everything has a price.
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