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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 5:54:30 PM
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I heard someone on gamefaqs say this but when asked why it coward away..
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Does anyone have an idea on what would cause someone to say this?
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MC_BatCommander
02/15/18 5:55:21 PM
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I don't even know who that is
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BillyKidd
02/15/18 5:56:26 PM
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he lied a lot, but i don't think that makes him trash
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 6:39:01 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
he lied a lot, but i don't think that makes him trash

Wtf he lie about? How many people he killed
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BillyKidd
02/15/18 6:41:32 PM
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stupid shit like punching Jesse Ventura, killing some carjackers, killed a bunch of looters while sitting on the superdome, etc...
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Patchwork
02/15/18 6:42:42 PM
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I think Chris Kyle had CTE honestly. But for the most part, and judging by the people who served with him, he was a solid guy.
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Axiom
02/15/18 6:43:22 PM
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Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldnt give a flying fuck about the Iraqis. He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

He may have been a good soldier but he was a terrible person
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CEs_EFG
02/15/18 6:43:42 PM
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He was just a huge liar the type of guy who you just roll your eyes at
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Sativa_Rose
02/15/18 6:46:21 PM
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He lied a lot in his book, as others have pointed out.

There are some in the media, like Michael Moore, who criticized him for being a sniper. Those people are complete idiots. That was his role in the military, but if you look at the military as a giant war machine, you need every cog functioning properly for stuff to work. Why is the sniper evil but the guy who drove the ammunition to the forward operating base or whatever so the sniper could use it gets a free pass? Doesn't work that way. Michael Moore is just a radical who shames soldiers for taking part in a war he disagreed with.

If you have a problem with the war, blame the politicians, not the soldiers.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 6:48:28 PM
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Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Axiom posted...
Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldnt give a flying fuck about the Iraqis. He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

Wow what a piece of shit


Eh its war idc about that shit
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MC_BatCommander
02/15/18 6:50:18 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Eh its war idc about that shit


lol what?
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Axiom
02/15/18 6:54:06 PM
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He described all Iraqis as savages and the enemy which means which means viewed everyone as the enemy and held no compunction about killing someone that he himself believed was the enemy IE all Iraqis. He's a proven liar and there's really no telling how many innocent people he killed simply because in his mind they are the enemy
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Sativa_Rose
02/15/18 6:55:26 PM
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Axiom posted...
He described all Iraqis as savages and the enemy which means which means viewed everyone as the enemy and held no compunction about killing someone that he himself believed was the enemy IE all Iraqis. He's a proven liar and there's really no telling how many innocent people he killed simply because in his mind they are the enemy


It's not like his opinion gave him a free pass to kill anyone he wanted. I'm not an expert on the military or anything, but I am pretty sure he still would have gotten in huge trouble if he was just sniping off civilians for no reason.
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Axiom
02/15/18 6:57:37 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Axiom posted...
He described all Iraqis as savages and the enemy which means which means viewed everyone as the enemy and held no compunction about killing someone that he himself believed was the enemy IE all Iraqis. He's a proven liar and there's really no telling how many innocent people he killed simply because in his mind they are the enemy


It's not like his opinion gave him a free pass to kill anyone he wanted. I'm not an expert on the military or anything, but I am pretty sure he still would have gotten in huge trouble if he was just sniping off civilians for no reason.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327

Other officers were also in a position to question the murders. Neither 3rd Platoon's commander, Capt. Matthew Quiggle, nor 1st Lt. Roman Ligsay has been held accountable for their unit's actions, despite their repeated failure to report killings that they had ample reason to regard as suspicious. In fact, supervising the murderous platoon, or even having knowledge of the crimes, seems to have been no impediment to career advancement. Ligsay has actually been promoted to captain, and a sergeant who joined the platoon in April became a team leader even though he "found out about the murders from the beginning," according to a soldier who cooperated with the Army investigation.

All it takes is for higher ups to look the other way
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Omnislasher
02/15/18 6:59:15 PM
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he viewed arabs as subhuman and explained that he enjoyed killing them
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Omnislasher
02/15/18 7:00:16 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Axiom posted...
He described all Iraqis as savages and the enemy which means which means viewed everyone as the enemy and held no compunction about killing someone that he himself believed was the enemy IE all Iraqis. He's a proven liar and there's really no telling how many innocent people he killed simply because in his mind they are the enemy


It's not like his opinion gave him a free pass to kill anyone he wanted. I'm not an expert on the military or anything, but I am pretty sure he still would have gotten in huge trouble if he was just sniping off civilians for no reason.


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AlecSkorpio
02/15/18 7:00:26 PM
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To be fair, I'm pretty sure you have to enjoy killing a little bit at least to be an effective sniper.

That being said, his book made him look like fucking garbage. I never really followed him until after he died so that's all I got to go on.
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metralo
02/15/18 7:00:28 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Axiom posted...
Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldnt give a flying fuck about the Iraqis. He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

Wow what a piece of shit


Eh its war idc about that shit


lol and you wonder why people call you all sorts of things
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CanuckCowboy
02/15/18 7:00:38 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
BillyKidd posted...
he lied a lot, but i don't think that makes him trash

Wtf he lie about? How many people he killed


A ton of stuff. It's easy enough to google.
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LordRazziel
02/15/18 7:01:01 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Axiom posted...
Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldnt give a flying fuck about the Iraqis. He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

Wow what a piece of shit


Eh its war idc about that shit

What about the lying?
Personally, I wouldn't say it makes him a piece of shit, just a tool.
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CanuckCowboy
02/15/18 7:01:28 PM
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AlecSkorpio posted...
To be fair, I'm pretty sure you have to enjoy killing a little bit at least to be an effective sniper


I'm literally 450% positive that's not true. Do some? Undoubtedly. Is it a majority? Doubt it. All? Hell no.
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Antifar
02/15/18 7:01:38 PM
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Didn't he brag about shooting looters in New Orleans after Katrina?
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Sativa_Rose
02/15/18 7:02:25 PM
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Axiom posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Axiom posted...
He described all Iraqis as savages and the enemy which means which means viewed everyone as the enemy and held no compunction about killing someone that he himself believed was the enemy IE all Iraqis. He's a proven liar and there's really no telling how many innocent people he killed simply because in his mind they are the enemy


It's not like his opinion gave him a free pass to kill anyone he wanted. I'm not an expert on the military or anything, but I am pretty sure he still would have gotten in huge trouble if he was just sniping off civilians for no reason.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327


I'm not surprised the Pentagon did everything it could to keep the story/photos from coming out, as this kind of stuff would quickly be taken up by the enemy for propaganda purposes, and it would further endanger the lives of our people in Afghanistan.

It's worth noting the people in this story ended up being charged with murder, as should happen.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/15/18 7:03:42 PM
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Like, I never read the book but I've heard the "stories" he tells in it and it just makes him sound like a massive tool.

Like, fuck dude, you're the greatest Sniper ever or whatever why the fuck do you feel like you have to make up stupid shit about killing carjackers and sniping looters in lousiana to feel big?

I dunno, though. I feel like most soldiers would probably be viewed as human garbage at heart if they said what they really feel, and he didn't give no fucks about it. I'm torn because I really doubt his views were views that were not held by many people in combat situations. So it's like if he's garbage they're all garbage, but I don't think they're all garbage so he must not be garbage just a tool?
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Bio1590
02/15/18 7:04:13 PM
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I like how you made this topic in some attempted "gotcha!" and then when you got real responses you just shrugged them off.
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CanuckCowboy
02/15/18 7:06:00 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
. I feel like most soldiers would probably be viewed as human garbage at heart if they said what they really feel,


Disagree.

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
So it's like if he's garbage they're all garbage, but I don't think they're all garbage so he must not be garbage just a tool?


This is just terrible reasoning.
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MC_BatCommander
02/15/18 7:06:08 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
I like how you made this topic in some attempted "gotcha!" and then when you got real responses you just shrugged them off.


lol yeah
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Axiom
02/15/18 7:06:53 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Axiom posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Axiom posted...
He described all Iraqis as savages and the enemy which means which means viewed everyone as the enemy and held no compunction about killing someone that he himself believed was the enemy IE all Iraqis. He's a proven liar and there's really no telling how many innocent people he killed simply because in his mind they are the enemy


It's not like his opinion gave him a free pass to kill anyone he wanted. I'm not an expert on the military or anything, but I am pretty sure he still would have gotten in huge trouble if he was just sniping off civilians for no reason.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327


I'm not surprised the Pentagon did everything it could to keep the story/photos from coming out, as this kind of stuff would quickly be taken up by the enemy for propaganda purposes, and it would further endanger the lives of our people in Afghanistan.

It's worth noting the people in this story ended up being charged with murder, as should happen.

After the killing, the soldiers involved in Mudin's death were not disciplined or punished in any way. Emboldened, the platoon went on a shooting spree over the next four months that claimed the lives of at least three more innocent civilians. When the killings finally became public last summer, the Army moved aggressively to frame the incidents as the work of a "rogue unit" operating completely on its own, without the knowledge of its superiors. Military prosecutors swiftly charged five low-ranking soldiers with murder, and the Pentagon clamped down on any information about the killings. Soldiers in Bravo Company were barred from giving interviews, and lawyers for the accused say their clients faced harsh treatment if they spoke to the press, including solitary confinement. No officers were charged.

They were only charged after it became public knowledge and even then none of the officers got charged
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Sativa_Rose
02/15/18 7:07:50 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
I dunno, though. I feel like most soldiers would probably be viewed as human garbage at heart if they said what they really feel, and he didn't give no fucks about it. I'm torn because I really doubt his views were views that were not held by many people in combat situations. So it's like if he's garbage they're all garbage, but I don't think they're all garbage so he must not be garbage just a tool?


I don't mean to be stereotypical, but it might be worth pointing out that Chris Kyle had a very rural upbringing. He grew up on a cattle ranch in rural Texas. Again, not trying to be stereotypical, but I am not shocked to hear that someone with that background was talking shit about Iraqis/Afghans
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Sativa_Rose
02/15/18 7:08:43 PM
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Axiom posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Axiom posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Axiom posted...
He described all Iraqis as savages and the enemy which means which means viewed everyone as the enemy and held no compunction about killing someone that he himself believed was the enemy IE all Iraqis. He's a proven liar and there's really no telling how many innocent people he killed simply because in his mind they are the enemy


It's not like his opinion gave him a free pass to kill anyone he wanted. I'm not an expert on the military or anything, but I am pretty sure he still would have gotten in huge trouble if he was just sniping off civilians for no reason.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327


I'm not surprised the Pentagon did everything it could to keep the story/photos from coming out, as this kind of stuff would quickly be taken up by the enemy for propaganda purposes, and it would further endanger the lives of our people in Afghanistan.

It's worth noting the people in this story ended up being charged with murder, as should happen.

After the killing, the soldiers involved in Mudin's death were not disciplined or punished in any way. Emboldened, the platoon went on a shooting spree over the next four months that claimed the lives of at least three more innocent civilians. When the killings finally became public last summer, the Army moved aggressively to frame the incidents as the work of a "rogue unit" operating completely on its own, without the knowledge of its superiors. Military prosecutors swiftly charged five low-ranking soldiers with murder, and the Pentagon clamped down on any information about the killings. Soldiers in Bravo Company were barred from giving interviews, and lawyers for the accused say their clients faced harsh treatment if they spoke to the press, including solitary confinement. No officers were charged.

They were only charged after it became public knowledge and even then none of the officers in charge of it got charged


Did the military know the additional killings were murders though before that point?
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/15/18 7:10:00 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
I don't mean to be stereotypical, but it might be worth pointing out that Chris Kyle had a very rural upbringing. He grew up on a cattle ranch in rural Texas. Again, not trying to be stereotypical, but I am not shocked to hear that someone with that background was talking shit about Iraqis/Afghans


Pretty much how I feel, which I guess could be wrong and all but I think most infantry men and combat soldiers either come from inner cities or rural areas right?

Like I don't know, I didn't read his book so I don't know exactly how shitty he was about Iraqi's. I guess I'm picturing that he just talked shit about enemy combatants but I'm guessing he was talking about all of them in general?
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Axiom
02/15/18 7:11:06 PM
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The officers undoubtedly did which is why I said all it takes is for higher ups looking the other way. Given his habit of lying and attitude towards Iraqis it's easy to assume he might have killed someone before confirming whether they were threats or not
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hockeybub89
02/15/18 7:11:16 PM
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Dude was a tool and had at least a few screws loose by the time of his murder.

The most prolific sniper of all time and he still lied about having medals he didn't earn and lied about killing civilians and punching people. He was not a good person.
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GiftedACIII
02/15/18 7:12:00 PM
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I didn't know he was a piece of trash before but I do now. Was that TC's goal?
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Omnislasher
02/15/18 7:13:02 PM
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Axiom posted...
The officers undoubtedly did which is why I said all it takes is for higher ups looking the other way. Given his habit of lying and attitude towards Iraqis it's easy to assume he might have killed someone before confirming whether they were threats or not


forget it.

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Bio1590
02/15/18 7:13:18 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
Bio1590 posted...
I like how you made this topic in some attempted "gotcha!" and then when you got real responses you just shrugged them off.


lol yeah

And to be clear I'm the person he's referencing, but this was hours ago while I was at work and I didn't have time for a writeu.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 7:13:52 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Axiom posted...
Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldnt give a flying fuck about the Iraqis. He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

Wow what a piece of shit


Eh its war idc about that shit

He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina


Ya he lied about that apparently..he def caught some PTSD or some shit
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Bio1590
02/15/18 7:14:16 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
I didn't know he was a piece of trash before but I do now. Was that TC's goal?

Bio1590 posted...
I like how you made this topic in some attempted "gotcha!" and then when you got real responses you just shrugged them off.

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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 7:16:36 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
Bio1590 posted...
I like how you made this topic in some attempted "gotcha!" and then when you got real responses you just shrugged them off.


lol yeah

And to be clear I'm the person he's referencing, but this was hours ago while I was at work and I didn't have time for a writeu.


I asked you numerous times and you were ignoring it and posting in dozens of posts. I just assumed you had me on ignore. Idc about a gotcha moment..i was legit curious.

Dude seemed mental if he was bragging about lies of murdering looters. Idk if id call him human garbage though. To each their own
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LordRazziel
02/15/18 7:17:01 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Axiom posted...
Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldnt give a flying fuck about the Iraqis. He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

Wow what a piece of shit


Eh its war idc about that shit

He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina


Ya he lied about that apparently..he def caught some PTSD or some shit

Is that a known symptom of PTSD?
Could be, but not the impression I get. I'm not psychiatrist, so what do I know.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 7:19:47 PM
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LordRazziel posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Ex-Kefiroth posted...
Axiom posted...
Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as fun, something he loved; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a bad guy. I hate the damn savages, he wrote. I couldnt give a flying fuck about the Iraqis. He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

Wow what a piece of shit


Eh its war idc about that shit

He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina


Ya he lied about that apparently..he def caught some PTSD or some shit

Is that a known symptom of PTSD?
Could be, but not the impression I get. I'm not psychiatrist, so what do I know.


Yeah idk either. Dude seemed mentally out of it, if hes bragging about random shit like killing looters.
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Uncle Choad
02/15/18 7:20:07 PM
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As shitty as a person as he was (apparently), he was a pretty good asset of the US military.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 7:20:55 PM
#48:


GiftedACIII posted...
I didn't know he was a piece of trash before but I do now. Was that TC's goal?


I was legit curious on why some poster would call him that and i wasnt getting an answer..so i went to my CE for answers lol
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Sativa_Rose
02/15/18 7:21:41 PM
#49:


Axiom posted...
The officers undoubtedly did which is why I said all it takes is for higher ups looking the other way. Given his habit of lying and attitude towards Iraqis it's easy to assume he might have killed someone before confirming whether they were threats or not


It wouldn't be that shocking, but it's all speculative when it comes to Chris Kyle personally so we can't say either way. One thing I'll give you is that the military does tend to sweep things under the rug rather than risk the public backlash, both US public backlash and from the local areas. So they've swept a lot of things under the rug, it's not surprising at this point. All governments do this. This is why we need strong investigative journalists to go out and publicize the truth.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 7:38:37 PM
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Uncle Choad posted...
As shitty as a person as he was (apparently), he was a pretty good asset of the US military.


Yeah i just never heard of him being trash til @Bio1590 made the claim and then never backed up the claim but waited for someone else to. Interesting stuff thl
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Smashingpmkns
02/15/18 7:40:30 PM
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Don't want to misinform, but I also think I read somewhere that he beat his wife. Is that true?
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 7:50:39 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Don't want to misinform, but I also think I read somewhere that he beat his wife. Is that true?

With everything that has come out...i wouldnt doubt it now
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