Poll of the Day > Here's the thing with the 2nd Amendment...

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Just because we have the right to a gun shouldn't mean we have the right to decide when it's necessary to use one. The amendment says nothing about the right to shoot people.

Anyway, almost everyday so far this year there has been a school shooting in America. Maybe this is finally the year when something happens to curb this problem. I'm not saying I have an answer, but as a teacher this is something that hits VERY close to home.

It's absolutely disgusting how easy it is for someone to get a hold of a gun. Children are finding ways to get guns, what the fuck. If you're not a competent enough parent to keep your dumb ass gun away from your kid, you shouldn't have a gun in the first place.
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you know there are other topics discussing this
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Blighboy posted...

you know there are other topics discussing this

And now there are more.
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Blighboy posted...

you know there are other topics discussing this

Yeah, this is a serious fucking problem.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Blighboy posted...

you know there are other topics discussing this

And now there are more.

I know how to count RC you don't need to spell out the alphabet for me.
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Ever hear of something called the copycat effect? Basically when the media and whatnot report on these types of issues where people are doing it this makes other people more likely to do it too because "everyone else is doing it" its what happened with tide pods, and why news outlets dont talk about suicides.

Which means media talking about school shootings increases school shootings. Congratz OP your now part of the problem your criticizing.

Quol posted...

Ever hear of something called the copycat effect? Basically when the media and whatnot report on these types of issues where people are doing it this makes other people more likely to do it too because "everyone else is doing it" its what happened with tide pods, and why news outlets dont talk about suicides.

Which means media talking about school shootings increases school shootings. Congratz OP your now part of the problem your criticizing.

Just stop. You literally have no clue what you're talking about.
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So school shooting is like a meme
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If we all ignore the problem, it will go away forever~
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HeyImAlex posted...

Quol posted...

Ever hear of something called the copycat effect? Basically when the media and whatnot report on these types of issues where people are doing it this makes other people more likely to do it too because "everyone else is doing it" its what happened with tide pods, and why news outlets dont talk about suicides.

Which means media talking about school shootings increases school shootings. Congratz OP your now part of the problem your criticizing.

Just stop. You literally have no clue what you're talking about.

Oof, touchie. I believe i have a pretty good grasp on what i said, do you?

It worked for racism.
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HeyImAlex posted...

Quol posted...

Ever hear of something called the copycat effect? Basically when the media and whatnot report on these types of issues where people are doing it this makes other people more likely to do it too because "everyone else is doing it" its what happened with tide pods, and why news outlets dont talk about suicides.

Which means media talking about school shootings increases school shootings. Congratz OP your now part of the problem your criticizing.

Just stop. You literally have no clue what you're talking about.

that is actually true though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime
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HeyImAlex posted...

Just because we have the right to a gun shouldn't mean we have the right to decide when it's necessary to use one. The amendment says nothing about the right to shoot people.

Don't some states have stand your ground laws or something similar that basically say whether you're allowed to defend yourself?

Anyway, they should just hire military vets as security guards at schools. Three birds one stone - safer schools, vets get a job, and psychiatrists get more work due to all of the psychological evaluations they're gonna need to perform beforehand.

Or, y'know, start to develop strong foundations for children at young ages to try and circumvent possible anti-social behaviour. Mormon's have really strong family values, for example. Has there ever been a Mormon who shot up a school?

HeyImAlex posted...

almost everyday so far this year there has been a school shooting in America.

Shit, we have had almost 46 shootings so far? Fuck.
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gravy posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

Just because we have the right to a gun shouldn't mean we have the right to decide when it's necessary to use one. The amendment says nothing about the right to shoot people.

Don't some states have stand your ground laws or something similar that basically say whether you're allowed to defend yourself?

Yeah, this makes sense. I just feel like so many people use the 2nd Amendment as a blanket statement for whipping out their gun whenever they feel like it.
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gravy posted...

Or, y'know, start to develop strong foundations for children at young ages to try and circumvent possible anti-social behaviour. Mormon's have really strong family values, for example. Has there ever been a Mormon who shot up a school?

Communism does not work. Look at Cuba and Venezuela.
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Blighboy posted...

RCtheWSBC posted...

Blighboy posted...

you know there are other topics discussing this

And now there are more.

I know how to count RC you don't need to spell out the alphabet for me.

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Fierce_Mudcrap posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

almost everyday so far this year there has been a school shooting in America.

Shit, we have had almost 46 shootings so far? Fuck.

Sorry, should have said every other day. There's been almost 20. Still a damn lot for something that horrible.
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HeyImAlex posted...

Fierce_Mudcrap posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

almost everyday so far this year there has been a school shooting in America.

Shit, we have had almost 46 shootings so far? Fuck.

Sorry, should have said every other day. There's been almost 20. Still a damn lot for something that horrible.

Sarcasm aside, that's kinda high. I had no idea.
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Fierce_Mudcrap posted...

Communism does not work. Look at Cuba and Venezuela.

Talking about parents taking responsibility for their own children and developing strong foundations, not schools or any form of government or institution.

John Paul Stevens said we should amend the Second Amendment to

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.

(addition in bold). At least according to him, it's pretty clear from the historical record that the Second Amendment was added so that states would be allowed to have their own militias, not so that people could defend themselves (the latter being a right that apparently is so basic to U.S. common-law tradition that it doesn't need to be spelled out in the Constitution).

https://tinyurl.com/JPS2Amendment

OmegaM posted...

John Paul Stevens said we should amend the Second Amendment to

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.

(addition in bold). At least according to him, it's pretty clear from the historical record that the Second Amendment was added so that states would be allowed to have their own militias, not so that people could defend themselves (the latter being a right that apparently is so basic to U.S. common-law tradition that it doesn't need to be spelled out in the Constitution).

https://tinyurl.com/JPS2Amendment

Right. If a state wants to create a militia that's maybe separate from the police and they have guns, sure. But your average Joe Shmoe doesn't need a gun.
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HeyImAlex posted...

Maybe this is finally the year when something happens to curb this problem.

Republicans control all 3 branches, so I doubt it.

Grendel posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

Maybe this is finally the year when something happens to curb this problem.

Republicans control all 3 branches, so I doubt it.

You'd have to be a monster to not want this stopped, though. Oh wait...
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HeyImAlex posted...

gravy posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

Just because we have the right to a gun shouldn't mean we have the right to decide when it's necessary to use one. The amendment says nothing about the right to shoot people.

Don't some states have stand your ground laws or something similar that basically say whether you're allowed to defend yourself?

Yeah, this makes sense. I just feel like so many people use the 2nd Amendment as a blanket statement for whipping out their gun whenever they feel like it.

Brandishing a firearm when not in designated places (IE a range) or if you are in need of it is illegal in every single state.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

Brandishing a firearm when not in designated places (IE a range) or if you are in need of it is illegal in every single state.

I was in my buddies car with him and we were stopped at a red light and he whips out his gun to show it off to me. 2nd Amendment, brah.
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HeyImAlex posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Brandishing a firearm when not in designated places (IE a range) or if you are in need of it is illegal in every single state.

I was in my buddies car with him and we were stopped at a red light and he whips out his gun to show it off to me. 2nd Amendment, brah.

Guess what? Not legal, homes (or holmes? idk)
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

Guess what? Not legal, homes (or holmes? idk)

I wish my friend knew that. I still feel it's the misunderstanding of the 2nd Amendment that causes this. And the fact that the 2nd Amendment is ALWAYS brought up the instant guns are mentioned just perpetuates the nonsense.
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Btw: You are allowed to use your guns to prevent illegal searches and seizures.
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HeyImAlex posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Guess what? Not legal, homes (or holmes? idk)

I wish my friend knew that. I still feel it's the misunderstanding of the 2nd Amendment that causes this. And the fact that the 2nd Amendment is ALWAYS brought up the instant guns are mentioned just perpetuates the nonsense.

Why wouldn't it be brought up, it's kinda relevant
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Lokarin posted...

Btw: You are allowed to use your guns to prevent illegal searches and seizures.

See, to me that's a little extreme.
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HeyImAlex posted...

Lokarin posted...

Btw: You are allowed to use your guns to prevent illegal searches and seizures.

See, to me that's a little extreme.

If you can't use your 2nd amendment to enforce the.... 4th? amendment, then they're both mutually meaningless
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Lokarin posted...

Btw: You are allowed to use your guns to prevent illegal searches and seizures.

This is technically correct but it won't go well for the individual most of the time. I did hear a story of a guy who won a lawsuit where he shot a cop or cops that illegally entered his home.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

Why wouldn't it be brought up, it's kinda relevant

I guess it seems like too often people use the 2nd Amendment as a blanket that lets them try and get away with anything that has to do with guns.

*I should get to own a small arsenal of weapons in my house - 2nd Amendment
*I live in the country, I should be able to blast my gun off whenever I please - 2nd Amendment
*Someone walks up to me and starts talking shit, I should get to point my gun in their face - ^^^

And I understand that those things may be illegal, but folks are gun crazy and feel that the 2nd Amendment protects them under those circumstances, so they fight the law and raise a ruckus.
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Lokarin posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

Lokarin posted...

Btw: You are allowed to use your guns to prevent illegal searches and seizures.

See, to me that's a little extreme.

If you can't use your 2nd amendment to enforce the.... 4th? amendment, then they're both mutually meaningless

Every instance of disregard of an Amendment doesn't need to result in someone pulling out a gun and thinking they need to shoot someone. If police come to search your shit without a warrant let them. Let the courts then do their work.
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HeyImAlex posted...

Lokarin posted...

HeyImAlex posted...

Lokarin posted...

Btw: You are allowed to use your guns to prevent illegal searches and seizures.

See, to me that's a little extreme.

If you can't use your 2nd amendment to enforce the.... 4th? amendment, then they're both mutually meaningless

Every instance of disregard of an Amendment doesn't need to result in someone pulling out a gun and thinking they need to shoot someone. If police come to search your shit without a warrant let them. Let the courts then do their work.

Some people don't trust the justice system. Not saying they have a right to shoot anyone lol cause that's not what guns are for, but people don't trust the police right now
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