Current Events > Why is there no gun registration list?

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How is it that there is not a known number of guns in ownership by US citizens? America has let guns get out of control. If I was going to allow people to have something that's sole purpose is to cause massive damage or death, I would want to keep track of how many are available or in circulation.

What does a registration accomplish, beyond giving the govt. a checklist if they decide to confiscate?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

What do a registration accomplish, beyond giving the govt. a checklist if they decide to confiscate?

The government already has a list of all citizens. How scared of you the inevitable culling of people they don't like?
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Instead of deflecting, answer the question, what does a registration do other than serve as a prerequisite to a anti-constitutional confiscation?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

What does a registration accomplish, beyond giving the govt. a checklist if they decide to confiscate?

This is actually a very good question, regardless of the latter part being hilariously unlikely.
What actual useful purpose does firearm registration serve?

Questionmarktarius posted...

regardless of the latter part being hilariously unlikely.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/us/nationalspecial/police-begin-seizing-guns-of-civilians.html

A nation confiscation is unlikely but this type of stuff is not unheard of in the U.S.
And of course if you use other nations as examples, it seems inevitable.
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What does vehicle registration serve?

Please, everybody knows that the only reason Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, etc didnt turn USA into a dictatorship was because they didnt know which citizen that owned a gun or not.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

What does a registration accomplish, beyond giving the govt. a checklist if they decide to confiscate?

This is actually a very good question, regardless of the latter part being hilariously unlikely.
What actual useful purpose does firearm registration serve?

I can't think of a good reason.

I can: if completion of safety training became part of the requirement to fully exercise a second amendment right, registration would allow government to track who has a firearm and has not completed said training.

Also, it would improve the capacity for confiscation of firearms from people identified as too risky to allow to exercise their second amendment rights.
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Isaac1987 posted...

What does vehicle registration serve?

Driving is a privilege, not a right.
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Darkman124 posted...

I can: if completion of safety training became part of the requirement to fully exercise a second amendment right, registration would allow government to track who has a firearm and has not completed said training.

If, firearms training were a perquisite for purchasing a firearm, registering the firearm itself would be completely redundant.

The only "useful" purpose of registration is taxation, like is currently done with suppressors.

rookieplayer03 posted...

Isaac1987 posted...

What does vehicle registration serve?

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

So that's where America went wrong. Firearms should become a privilege too.

Darkman124 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

What does a registration accomplish, beyond giving the govt. a checklist if they decide to confiscate?

This is actually a very good question, regardless of the latter part being hilariously unlikely.
What actual useful purpose does firearm registration serve?

I can't think of a good reason.

I can: if completion of safety training became part of the requirement to fully exercise a second amendment right, registration would allow government to track who has a firearm and has not completed said training.

Also, it would improve the capacity for confiscation of firearms from people identified as too risky to allow to exercise their second amendment rights.

But since safety training isn't a thing, so there's no point.

I agree with the second part, but that goes into some other issues
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What about secondhand sales?
How do you make sure that the buyer got said training if you only check it in gunshops?
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Isaac1987 posted...

rookieplayer03 posted...

Isaac1987 posted...

What does vehicle registration serve?

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

So that's where America went wrong. Firearms should become a privilege too.

and this is why 2nd amendment nuts are worried.

Isaac1987 posted...

rookieplayer03 posted...

Isaac1987 posted...

What does vehicle registration serve?

Driving is a privilege, not a right.

So that's where America went wrong. Firearms should become a privilege too.

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A5.html
You know what you need to do, or at least you do now.

Foppe posted...

What about secondhand sales?
How do you make sure that the buyer got said training if you only check it in gunshops?

You should have to get a license, just like a driver's license.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

If, firearms training were a perquisite for purchasing a firearm, registering the firearm itself would be completely redundant.

is a license a prerequisite for purchasing a car? i am actually uncertain about this.
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It's called an amendment. What's to stop them from amending the amendment.

amendment - a minor change or addition designed to improve a text, piece of legislation, etc.

nicklebro posted...

Foppe posted...

What about secondhand sales?
How do you make sure that the buyer got said training if you only check it in gunshops?

You should have to get a license, just like a driver's license.

Sounds like how the background check would have been if they had been serious about it.
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emblem boy posted...

But since safety training isn't a thing, so there's no point.

It should be required as well.

Frankly the fact that it isn't is absolutely ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as how anyone is surprised people are getting mowed down in this country on a regular basis.
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Foppe posted...

Please, everybody knows that the only reason Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, etc didnt turn USA into a dictatorship was because they didnt know which citizen that owned a gun or not.

And this is why the rest of the world tends to think that the average American has the intellect of an oyster and the general knowledge of a sponge.
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Darkman124 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

If, firearms training were a perquisite for purchasing a firearm, registering the firearm itself would be completely redundant.

is a license a prerequisite for purchasing a car? i am actually uncertain about this.

Actually, no, at least as far as I know. The license (and registration) is only required to operate it on public roads, give or take if we're also including personal property tax forms as "registration".
Insurance for the car however, is a different story, at least in most states. Maybe that's the direction we should look into here.

DarthWendy posted...

Foppe posted...

Please, everybody knows that the only reason Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Reagan, Nixon, etc didnt turn USA into a dictatorship was because they didnt know which citizen that owned a gun or not.

And this is why the rest of the world tends to think that the average American has the intellect of an oyster and the general knowledge of a sponge.

I thought it was because USA turned underage kids shooting their teachers and other students multiple times per month into something normal.
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Foppe posted...

I thought it was because USA turned underage kids shooting their teachers and other students multiple times per month into something normal.

Y'know that thing about ostriches burying their head in the sand?

It's funny because that's just a myth perpetuated mainly due to the bird's general lack of intelligence.
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LinksLiege posted...

Foppe posted...

I thought it was because USA turned underage kids shooting their teachers and other students multiple times per month into something normal.

Y'know that thing about ostriches burying their head in the sand?

It's funny because that's just a myth perpetuated mainly due to the bird's general lack of intelligence.

We are 7 weeks into this year.
We have had 8 shootings at schools that resulted with death or injury in USA.
And we accept it as normal.
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