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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:00:30 PM
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Foppe
02/08/18 12:01:15 PM
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Two nukes.
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:01:39 PM
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that's racist
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Crazyman93
02/08/18 12:02:01 PM
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The crash.
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Fishy
02/08/18 12:02:16 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
The crash.

From the nukes
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s0nicfan
02/08/18 12:02:55 PM
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Because unless you live in Japan you only get the stuff that's good, and completely miss the mountains of garbage produced that aren't worth localizing.
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:04:37 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Because unless you live in Japan you only get the stuff that's good, and completely miss the mountains of garbage produced that aren't worth localizing.

but why doesn't say the UK have a large video game industry? in fact why doesn't Europe produce consoles?
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Yomi
02/08/18 12:05:01 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983
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s0nicfan
02/08/18 12:05:50 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because unless you live in Japan you only get the stuff that's good, and completely miss the mountains of garbage produced that aren't worth localizing.

but why doesn't say the UK have a large video game industry? in fact why doesn't Europe produce consoles?


Europe seems to not give a shit about technology in general. I can't think of a single major player in tech that originated from Europe.
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:05:57 PM
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Romulox28
02/08/18 12:06:34 PM
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pulling this out of my ass:

- better work ethic; japanese ppl work crazy hours

- japanese ppl dont job hop as much and tend to stay with one company, so there's more experience and team synergy there

- seems like japan has more auteur kinds of guys like Kojima/Yoko Taro/Suda 51/etc that have interesting ideas for games

- more midsized companies like Platinum or From, unlike in the US where EA/Ubisoft/Activision seem to have gobbled up most of em

- not restrained by western tastes; japanese ppl will play all kinds of weird shit instead of just cinematic shooters and sports games
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:06:55 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
foreveraIone posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because unless you live in Japan you only get the stuff that's good, and completely miss the mountains of garbage produced that aren't worth localizing.

but why doesn't say the UK have a large video game industry? in fact why doesn't Europe produce consoles?


Europe seems to not give a shit about technology in general. I can't think of a single major player in tech that originated from Europe.

oh wow like Facebook and apple.

remember Europe invented industrialization

try harder and be jealous of us Europeans hahahaha
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/08/18 12:07:46 PM
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They (tend) to value gameplay over story

Western Developers have been taken over by failed movie makers at this point.
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:08:42 PM
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Europe >>> usa trust me I'm european
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:10:41 PM
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ok pls bite sonic
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SavenForever
02/08/18 12:11:48 PM
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Because they get games.
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Foppe
02/08/18 12:12:27 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
foreveraIone posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Because unless you live in Japan you only get the stuff that's good, and completely miss the mountains of garbage produced that aren't worth localizing.

but why doesn't say the UK have a large video game industry? in fact why doesn't Europe produce consoles?


Europe seems to not give a shit about technology in general. I can't think of a single major player in tech that originated from Europe.

Member when NASA let a Nazi build the rocket that took them to the moon?
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:14:18 PM
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Europe has been irrelevant post wwii.

in terms of everything really.
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kirbymuncher
02/08/18 12:15:14 PM
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I have kinda wondered sometimes why video game developers tend to get boiled down to just either Japanese, or Western

like it's 1 country vs every other country combined or something
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s0nicfan
02/08/18 12:16:53 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
Europe has been irrelevant post wwii.

in terms of everything really.


If you've never seen them, I would highly consider watching some Red Letter Media reviews on youtube.

That has nothing to do with this topic, but you seem desperately bored and they are an entertaining group that deserves free plugs.
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Veggeta_EDGE
02/08/18 12:17:22 PM
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Yomi posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

I never knew this but then again I wasn't born yet.
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thanosibe
02/08/18 12:26:48 PM
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...
Yomi posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

I never knew this but then again I wasn't born yet.
I was alive then and still didn't know what was going on then. But there was a good documentary I watched on Netflix awhile back about the infamous surplus of E.T games that were buried, that talked about the amount of companies trying to duplicate the success of Atari and saturating the marker with shit products that consumers stopped buying games. Then along came the NES.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari:_Game_Over
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/08/18 12:28:35 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
Europe has been irrelevant post wwii.


Rockstar North is a Scottish game company

Rockstar North created GTA III which pretty much defined the next 10 years of gaming along with Halo.

I'd argue that the massive success of GTA Online's paid content has greatly influenced the past 5 years of microtransactions.
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weapon_d00d816
02/08/18 12:30:26 PM
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Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.
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Darklit_Minuet
02/08/18 12:30:46 PM
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Western developers are fully capable of producing video games as good as the Japanese, they just choose not to for some reason. They keep making garbage like FPS games, racing games, and "RPGs" that aren't even turn based
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foreveraIone
02/08/18 12:36:40 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

wait. you think ps2 era was bad?

joke opinion
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Solar_Crimson
02/08/18 12:41:21 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
pulling this out of my ass:

- better work ethic; japanese ppl work crazy hours

- japanese ppl dont job hop as much and tend to stay with one company, so there's more experience and team synergy there

- seems like japan has more auteur kinds of guys like Kojima/Yoko Taro/Suda 51/etc that have interesting ideas for games

- more midsized companies like Platinum or From, unlike in the US where EA/Ubisoft/Activision seem to have gobbled up most of em

- not restrained by western tastes; japanese ppl will play all kinds of weird shit instead of just cinematic shooters and sports games

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
They (tend) to value gameplay over story

Western Developers have been taken over by failed movie makers at this point.

These.

But also this:
s0nicfan posted...
Because unless you live in Japan you only get the stuff that's good, and completely miss the mountains of garbage produced that aren't worth localizing.

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Solar_Crimson
02/08/18 12:42:57 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

This is objectively false.
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weapon_d00d816
02/08/18 12:43:07 PM
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foreveraIone posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

wait. you think ps2 era was bad?

joke opinion

Japan was being dethroned in that era.
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Darklit_Minuet
02/08/18 12:43:30 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
foreveraIone posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

wait. you think ps2 era was bad?

joke opinion

Japan was being dethroned in that era.

Lol what?

Japan still hasn't been dethroned
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weapon_d00d816
02/08/18 12:43:57 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
foreveraIone posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

wait. you think ps2 era was bad?

joke opinion

Japan was being dethroned in that era.

Lol what?

Japan still hasn't been dethroned

Lmao
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Tmk
02/08/18 12:51:28 PM
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Seems odd to say Japan values gameplay over story when a whole sub-genre of RPGs, distinguished only by their Japanese origin and heavy influence, is firmly in the story over gameplay camp. >_>

The west does these dopey "cinematic" games like Uncharted, but for every one of those there's probably 5+ story-focused JRPGs with serviceable at best combat, and combat is kind of the gameplay.

Then I'd also like to point out sandbox open world games, which are basically the prime example of gameplay over narrative, and how Japan was slower to adopt that (still is) and also generally doesn't do it super well either, BotW being a very noteworthy exception. Dragon's Dogma was really good too though not exactly what I'd call a sandbox open world game, but definitely open world.
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Darklit_Minuet
02/08/18 12:53:06 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
foreveraIone posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

wait. you think ps2 era was bad?

joke opinion

Japan was being dethroned in that era.

Lol what?

Japan still hasn't been dethroned

Lmao

What games are better than JRPGs?
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s0nicfan
02/08/18 12:53:49 PM
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The real discriminator is the indie game scene, of which Japan is really desperately behind the rest of the world. AAA aside, when you've got games like Hollow Knight, Transistor, Shovel Knight, etc out there it really changes the landscape.
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Tmk
02/08/18 12:54:05 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
What games are better than JRPGs?

Souls games.

And if story in particular is what you care most about, Witcher 3 was pretty fantastic on that front.
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Darklit_Minuet
02/08/18 12:54:58 PM
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Tmk posted...
Souls games.

Lol no. That shit ain't even turnbased

Tmk posted...
And if story in particular is what you care most about, Witcher 3 was pretty fantastic on that front.

I care about gameplay more
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weapon_d00d816
02/08/18 12:55:29 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
foreveraIone posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

wait. you think ps2 era was bad?

joke opinion

Japan was being dethroned in that era.

Lol what?

Japan still hasn't been dethroned

Lmao

What games are better than JRPGs?

Literally all of them
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Darklit_Minuet
02/08/18 12:56:16 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
foreveraIone posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because you're a weeb

Japanese games haven't been good since the late 90s.

wait. you think ps2 era was bad?

joke opinion

Japan was being dethroned in that era.

Lol what?

Japan still hasn't been dethroned

Lmao

What games are better than JRPGs?

Literally all of them

So what you're saying is you have shit taste
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kirbymuncher
02/08/18 12:56:51 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
The real discriminator is the indie game scene, of which Japan is really desperately behind the rest of the world. AAA aside, when you've got games like Hollow Knight, Transistor, Shovel Knight, etc out there it really changes the landscape.

I dunno I've played some pretty cool japanese indie games

though I dunno if their game dev structure even works in the same sort of AAA / indie way
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Damn_Underscore
02/08/18 12:57:07 PM
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creativity

they have it, american developers don't. same is true with animation nowadays.
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Tmk
02/08/18 12:57:34 PM
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Darklit_Minuet posted...
Lol no. That shit ain't even turnbased

If you cared about gameplay you wouldn't hold turn-based combat in such high esteem since it's just ACTION MENUS.

Like okay, you think menu-em-ups are really fun. Doesn't make them objectively better than other games.
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weapon_d00d816
02/08/18 12:59:40 PM
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So what you're saying is you have shit taste

JRPGs are pretty universally disliked these days outside of niche communities. It's nothing but cringeworthy anime tropes and derivative, uninspired designs. Plus turn-based RPGs are boring to people who actually have motor skills.
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Tmk
02/08/18 1:01:00 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
creativity

they have it, american developers don't.

Considering how many JRPGs I've played that somehow always ended up eventually being about kids banding together to oppose God, I'm inclined to disagree.

It doesn't help how willingly Japan wallows in the most cliche character archetypes as well.
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weapon_d00d816
02/08/18 1:02:37 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
creativity

they have it, american developers don't. same is true with animation nowadays.

Japanese devs tend to have less applied creativity and more "puke random shit at the wall and go with what sticks".

And then you can't deny the thousands of games with characters who look exactly the same but oh they have different colored hair and this one has a different clown suit.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/08/18 1:03:34 PM
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Tmk posted...
It doesn't help how willingly Japan wallows in the most cliche character archetypes as well.


Z473dqR
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Tmk
02/08/18 1:05:26 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Z473dqR

I'm talking about writing and you try to hit back with "LUL they look similar" (and some of them don't even look similar).

If you seriously think Niko, Chris Redfield and Shepard are similarly characters, then you have so little of a clue what you're talking about there is no response appropriate to what you're saying except to laugh.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/08/18 1:08:27 PM
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Tmk posted...
I'm talking about writing and you try to hit back with "LUL they look similar"


I really doubt you've played enough RPG's to really comment on the writing tbqh

You were talking about the fact that they all seem to be prepubescent soy boys. You're not fooling anyone.
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Tmk
02/08/18 1:11:59 PM
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You're not fooling anyone by trying to save face in asserting "no I can read your mind this strawman is what you REALLY meant"

Nah dude. "character archetypes" does not mean "character aesthetics"

Moreso than any other country Japan seems all too willing to dive headfirst in a pool of the most generic cookie-cutter archetypes imaginable. The surly little girl but oh she's actually thousands of years old so it's "okay" to want to fuck her "tsundere" archetype is of particular note for being one of the single worst things in existence, and Japan LOVES that character.
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weapon_d00d816
02/08/18 1:12:34 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Tmk posted...
It doesn't help how willingly Japan wallows in the most cliche character archetypes as well.


Z473dqR
hplhraH

I don't know how you could try to make this point when Japanese game characters literally copy and paste the same face for every male or female and just add different hair.

In fact, that's fitting you posted this because the only things they have in common are hair. I guess fans of Japanese games only fixate on that.
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Solar_Crimson
02/08/18 1:14:27 PM
#52:


Tmk posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
What games are better than JRPGs?

Souls games.

If this is in the context of Western games better than JRPGs, those are Japanese-made.
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