Current Events > CEs opinion on new Ontario law allowing govt to seize children from parents who

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refuse to let their child undergo gender transition?

lol
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Source?
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Lol Canada
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Uncle Choad posted...

Source?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/06/new-ontario-law-enables-govt-to-seize-children-from-parents-opposing-gender-transition/

Uncle Choad posted...

Source?

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I'm sure Breitbart has a fair and objective take on this
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Uncle Choad posted...

Source?

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Anything not from Breitbart or some rightwing blog?
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Ic3Bullet posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

Source?

http://www.breitbart.com

lol
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Doom_Art posted...

I'm sure Breitbart has a fair and objective take on this

Okay so a more fair title for this news would be that the government is allowed to take your kids if you dont support their gender identity. Still wrong imo.

Lol Breitbart manufacturing panic over non-issue
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Is there a source on this that isn't under investigation by the FBI pls?
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I like the part where TC uses Breitbart as a legitmate, totally not one-sided or biased, source for this topic.
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Disturbing if true

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Lol Canada

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Doctor Foxx posted...

Lol Breitbart manufacturing panic over non-issue

How is this a non-issue? This is almost like thought policing; if parents don't agree with this gender crap then their kids get taken away? so just because some people have a different opinion on something that still is a huge debate, they lose out because they don't conform the the majority progressive opinion?

and then people on social media in droves tell those same parents they deserve it or they're terrible people?
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silentwing26x posted...

Disturbing if true

It's not. Canada explicitly responded to these claims, saying that such cases only can be taken into account as part of an already-established pattern of abuse.
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darkjedilink posted...

silentwing26x posted...

Disturbing if true

It's not. Canada explicitly responded to these claims, saying that such cases only can be taken into account as part of an already-established pattern of abuse.

Thats relieving to hear.

>New

>2017

Also it's all bullshit. Funny how if you Google it all you get are right-wing or religious shitpost websites like Breitbart.
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Ic3Bullet posted...

darkjedilink posted...

silentwing26x posted...

Disturbing if true

It's not. Canada explicitly responded to these claims, saying that such cases only can be taken into account as part of an already-established pattern of abuse.

Thats relieving to hear.

Next time, do some fucking research.
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https://arpacanada.ca/news/2017/01/06/bill-89/

Basically the law will take every aspect of a child's welfare into consideration, which includes sexuality and sexual identity. On an intrinsic sense, yes, the government could seize your children, but only if they felt that the child was at significant risk of suffering mental or emotional harm. It's fairly totalitarian, but I'd rather look out for the well-being of the next generation. Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

Bio1590 posted...

>New

>2017

Also it's all bullshit. Funny how if you Google it all you get are right-wing or religious shitpost websites like Breitbart.

I also saw this. It was a little more difficult to find a non-biased source for it. Every other source was a right-wing piece full of hyperbolic fluff like Breitbart and The Rebel.
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Ulyanyx posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Lol Breitbart manufacturing panic over non-issue

How is this a non-issue? This is almost like thought policing; if parents don't agree with this gender crap then their kids get taken away? so just because some people have a different opinion on something that still is a huge debate, they lose out because they don't conform the the majority progressive opinion?

and then people on social media in droves tell those same parents they deserve it or they're terrible people?

This isn't how it works please research what is actually being put forward

darkjedilink posted...

silentwing26x posted...

Disturbing if true

It's not. Canada explicitly responded to these claims, saying that such cases only can be taken into account as part of an already-established pattern of abuse.

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Alucard188 posted...

https://arpacanada.ca/news/2017/01/06/bill-89/

Basically the law will take every aspect of a child's welfare into consideration, which includes sexuality and sexual identity. On an intrinsic sense, yes, the government could seize your children, but only if they felt that the child was at significant risk of suffering mental or emotional harm. It's fairly totalitarian, but I'd rather look out for the well-being of the next generation. Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

Letting a child believe that they need to self-mutilate because they think their body is 'wrong' is just as damaging.
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Awww, you were doing so well.
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darkjedilink posted...

Alucard188 posted...

https://arpacanada.ca/news/2017/01/06/bill-89/

Basically the law will take every aspect of a child's welfare into consideration, which includes sexuality and sexual identity. On an intrinsic sense, yes, the government could seize your children, but only if they felt that the child was at significant risk of suffering mental or emotional harm. It's fairly totalitarian, but I'd rather look out for the well-being of the next generation. Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

Letting a child believe that they need to self-mutilate because they think their body is 'wrong' is just as damaging.

Conversely, letting a child think that their head is wrong because they believe that there's something off or different about them is just as damaging.
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Imagine having such a powerful government that they have the authority to raise your children their way.
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Watching people whine about Breitbart is ALWAYS hilarious because Breitbart is better with citing their sources than pretty much anywhere else. This isn't New York Times or CNN, they don't cite "anonymous sources." Who do they cite?

https://arpacanada.ca/news/2017/01/06/bill-89/

QP Briefing reports: [Ontarios Minister of Child and Family Services] Coteau said that it could be abuse for an LGBT teen to be told their identity is wrong and they should change.

I would consider that a form of abuse, when a child identifies one way and a caregiver is saying no, you need to do this differently, he said.

If its abuse, and if its within the definition, a child can be removed from that environment and placed into protection where the abuse stops, he said.

There you have the Minister of Child and Family Services of Ontario saying straight up that yes, we can take your kids if you don't agree with their "gender identity." What does the actual legislation have to say about it?

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&BillID=4479

To recognize that services to children and young persons should be provided in a manner that respects
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sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression

And.....

the court is of the opinion that there is a difference of views between the child and a parent or a society, and the society proposes that the child be removed from a persons care

"WAAAHHHH Breitbart says things that hurt my feelings, they must be lying because my worldview is highly fragile and doesn't account for the possibility that I'm wrong!" Meanwhile, they're citing the actual legislation straight from the government of Ontario saying that parents who deny their kids' "gender identities" can have their kids removed.
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How's the real estate market in Alberta?

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

I imagine there's plenty wrong with being sexually attracted to animals, little children, sharp blades, or other inanimate objects, etc.

There is no way this is good. Totalitarianism is evil and much more damaging to children and the future as a whole.

Alucard188 posted...

https://arpacanada.ca/news/2017/01/06/bill-89/

Basically the law will take every aspect of a child's welfare into consideration, which includes sexuality and sexual identity. On an intrinsic sense, yes, the government could seize your children, but only if they felt that the child was at significant risk of suffering mental or emotional harm. It's fairly totalitarian, but I'd rather look out for the well-being of the next generation. Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

Bio1590 posted...

>New

>2017

Also it's all bullshit. Funny how if you Google it all you get are right-wing or religious shitpost websites like Breitbart.

I also saw this. It was a little more difficult to find a non-biased source for it. Every other source was a right-wing piece full of hyperbolic fluff like Breitbart and The Rebel.

So, we've established that this topic is deliberately misleading. How far is this from moddable trolling?
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Im in Ontario and this is the first Im hearing of this.

Time to pay more attention to news again.
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Alucard188 posted...

https://arpacanada.ca/news/2017/01/06/bill-89/

Basically the law will take every aspect of a child's welfare into consideration, which includes sexuality and sexual identity. On an intrinsic sense, yes, the government could seize your children, but only if they felt that the child was at significant risk of suffering mental or emotional harm. It's fairly totalitarian, but I'd rather look out for the well-being of the next generation. Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

Bio1590 posted...

>New

>2017

Also it's all bullshit. Funny how if you Google it all you get are right-wing or religious shitpost websites like Breitbart.

I also saw this. It was a little more difficult to find a non-biased source for it. Every other source was a right-wing piece full of hyperbolic fluff like Breitbart and The Rebel.

I googled "arpa canada"

this was the first thing to come up:

The mission of ARPA Canada is to educate, equip, and encourage Reformed Christians to political action and to bring a biblical perspective to our civil authorities.

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silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

I imagine there's plenty wrong with being sexually attracted to animals, little children, sharp blades, or other inanimate objects, etc.

There is no way this is good. Totalitarianism is evil and much more damaging to children and the future as a whole.

there's literally 0 indication that this is actually happening
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averagejoel posted...

silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

I imagine there's plenty wrong with being sexually attracted to animals, little children, sharp blades, or other inanimate objects, etc.

There is no way this is good. Totalitarianism is evil and much more damaging to children and the future as a whole.

there's literally 0 indication that this is actually happening

im responding to his beliefs

This is the actual legislation: http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?BillID=4479&locale=en
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averagejoel posted...

I googled "arpa canada"

this was the first thing to come up:

The mission of ARPA Canada is to educate, equip, and encourage Reformed Christians to political action and to bring a biblical perspective to our civil authorities.

And it was the least hyperbolic source I could find. That's the problem here.

silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

I imagine there's plenty wrong with...

There is no way this is good. Totalitarianism is evil and much more damaging to children and the future as a whole.

So here we are, on the slippery slope to equating sexual identity with aberrant behaviours like beastiality and child abuse. You're better than this.
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sounds like something the UN should be investigating and if it's true, Canada needs to be dealt sanctions and maybe eventually they would need to be invaded to stop human rights abuses.

Alucard188 posted...

And it was the least hyperbolic source I could find. That's the problem here.

silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

I imagine there's plenty wrong with...

There is no way this is good. Totalitarianism is evil and much more damaging to children and the future as a whole.

So here we are, on the slippery slope to equating sexual identity with aberrant behaviours like beastiality and child abuse. You're better than this.

uh no im giving examples of how it IS ok to tell a kid when their sexuality or identity is wrong or harmful

you are the one on the slippery slope. maybe dont support totalitarianism tyvm

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

know what else is damaging? letting a 10 year old kid that doesn't know the seriousness of their decision, do gender change surgery before they even hit puberty

r4X0r posted...

Watching people whine about Breitbart is ALWAYS hilarious because Breitbart is better with citing their sources than pretty much anywhere else. This isn't New York Times or CNN, they don't cite "anonymous sources." Who do they cite?

https://arpacanada.ca/news/2017/01/06/bill-89/

Also a terrible source so your point?
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Zikten posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

know what else is damaging? letting a 10 year old kid that doesn't know the seriousness of their decision, do gender change surgery before they even hit puberty

They don't let you do that ffs
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Zikten posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

know what else is damaging? letting a 10 year old kid that doesn't know the seriousness of their decision, do gender change surgery before they even hit puberty

That doesn't happen.
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Zikten posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

know what else is damaging? letting a 10 year old kid that doesn't know the seriousness of their decision, do gender change surgery before they even hit puberty

You know what's disingenuous? Thinking that the first step to discovering and accepting your gender identity is to chop off your penis.
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Zikten posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

know what else is damaging? letting a 10 year old kid that doesn't know the seriousness of their decision, do gender change surgery before they even hit puberty

no thats progress!

silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

And it was the least hyperbolic source I could find. That's the problem here.

silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

I imagine there's plenty wrong with...

There is no way this is good. Totalitarianism is evil and much more damaging to children and the future as a whole.

So here we are, on the slippery slope to equating sexual identity with aberrant behaviours like beastiality and child abuse. You're better than this.

uh no im giving examples of how it IS ok to tell a kid when their sexuality or identity is wrong or harmful

you are the one on the slippery slope. maybe dont support totalitarianism tyvm

you mean the totalitarianism that 2 illegitimate sources think is happening?
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averagejoel posted...

silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

And it was the least hyperbolic source I could find. That's the problem here.

silentwing26x posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

I imagine there's plenty wrong with...

There is no way this is good. Totalitarianism is evil and much more damaging to children and the future as a whole.

So here we are, on the slippery slope to equating sexual identity with aberrant behaviours like beastiality and child abuse. You're better than this.

uh no im giving examples of how it IS ok to tell a kid when their sexuality or identity is wrong or harmful

you are the one on the slippery slope. maybe dont support totalitarianism tyvm

you mean the totalitarianism that 2 illegitimate sources think is happening?

no im referring to how he is ok with it happening if it were to happen

scenerio: a kid tells their parents they want to be trans. the parent says

"I will support you in any choice you make......after you are 18. you need time to consider this. it's a very big decision and you are much too young to understand it"

then Justin Trudoue and his goons break down the door and take the kid away

Zikten posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Telling their kid that their sexuality is wrong or immoral is very damaging to the kid.

know what else is damaging? letting a 10 year old kid that doesn't know the seriousness of their decision, do gender change surgery before they even hit puberty

That's not what's happening in this legislation
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Dear @Zikten,

Please never enter my country.

Thank you.
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