Current Events > Childhood vaccinations should be mandatory

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150 posts and no "herd immunity" plea yet?

Nomadic View posted...

Should the government drag someone kicking and screaming to the hospital, tie them down with restraints, then forcibly inject them with a vaccination while theyre crying, begging, and pleading to stop?

Should parents let them kid get a risk of getting meningitis and die crying, begging, and pleading to stop?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Yeah but note how the fascists never say anything about working on both areas simultaneously. In fact, people like TC explicitly denounced the idea of forcing obese people to exercise when I brought it up in the past as a devil's advocate.

This isn't about public health to the fascists. It's about another means through which the State can attain absolute control over every area of our lives.

I don't really hold socialist views so no comment. I honestly think that better patient education while they're at the doc's office can play a huge role. Unfortunately there just isn't enough time in the day to properly educate every patient and run a profitable clinic. There has to be a happy medium in there somewhere.
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MrPeppers posted...

There has to be a happy medium in there somewhere.

Annoying-ass PSAs, like we get for every other public health issue.

yall should read the book "Nudge"

it's about libertarian paternalism. no its not a contradiction. really good book so far.
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Knowledge_King posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Yeah cause eating at mcdonalds gives you polio, mumps, measles etc.......

Eating at Mcdonalds lowers the effectiveness of your immune system and thus makes you more likely to catch said diseases and die from them. Eating healthy does the opposite and has literally cured AIDS and Cancer before.

Rika_Furude posted...

Give me one legitimate, non-troll reason why a parent should be able to decide their child doesnt get vaccinated. Other than when the child is medically incapable of recieving one due to an allergy or something similar

Because once the Gov't can force you to be injected with a substance, nothing stops things like sexual and hunger repression (military gets them), things like a kill chip, possible injection of a disease into a race of people they dislike (they've literally done this by the way), and possible assassination.

Rika_Furude posted...

the risks of a vaccination = a healthy child and healthy society

Possible effects that are undisclosed. Gov't now has control over what we put in our bodies and can do anything they want to us at any time because we've accepted their role as medical overlords.

This is conspiracy theorist levels of bullshit. Do you also think 9/11 was orchestrated by the lizard society?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

yall should read the book "Nudge"

it's about libertarian paternalism. no its not a contradiction. really good book so far.

Is it related to healthcare or does it cover a wider range of things?
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MrPeppers posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

yall should read the book "Nudge"

it's about libertarian paternalism. no its not a contradiction. really good book so far.

Is it related to healthcare or does it cover a wider range of things?

wider range of things but it includes a chapter on healthcare

haven't read that chapter yet tho
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

yall should read the book "Nudge"

it's about libertarian paternalism. no its not a contradiction. really good book so far.

Reviews are all over the place.

Sami1000 posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Should the government drag someone kicking and screaming to the hospital, tie them down with restraints, then forcibly inject them with a vaccination while theyre crying, begging, and pleading to stop?

Should parents let them kid get a risk of getting meningitis and die crying, begging, and pleading to stop?

lol he's going to be a lawyer apparently and that's the best he could do.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

MrPeppers posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I don't think that anti-vaxxers pose a real and recurring threat to national health right now. If that ever changes I'd be glad to mandate vaccinations as an emergency response. But to make it part of the government's responsibilities would be a horrifying step in the wrong direction.

If you're that concerned about public health, obesity is by far the bigger issue no pun intended.

I completely agree, but we can work on both of those areas simultaneously.

Yeah but note how the fascists never say anything about working on both areas simultaneously. In fact, people like TC explicitly denounced the idea of forcing obese people to exercise when I brought it up in the past as a devil's advocate.

This isn't about public health to the fascists. It's about another means through which the State can attain absolute control over every area of our lives.

Remember when you at least pretended to be intelligent? Now you're calling me a government stooge helping the state obtain its goal of complete fascism.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

yall should read the book "Nudge"

it's about libertarian paternalism. no its not a contradiction. really good book so far.

Reviews are all over the place.

It's basically part of the economics canon at this point. Thaler recently got the Nobel for his work in that field. The book itself is nothing too special, but the concepts and research discussed within are important.
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Sonic Cannon posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

yall should read the book "Nudge"

it's about libertarian paternalism. no its not a contradiction. really good book so far.

Reviews are all over the place.

It's basically part of the economics canon at this point. Thaler recently got the Nobel for his work in that field. The book itself is nothing too special, but the concepts and research discussed within are important.

It's ten bucks on amazon, so what the hell.

Knowledge_King posted...

Because once the Gov't can force you to be injected with a substance, nothing stops things like sexual and hunger repression (military gets them), things like a kill chip, possible injection of a disease into a race of people they dislike (they've literally done this by the way), and possible assassination

What if the pharmaceutical companies and the entire healthcare profession are already doing this RIGHT NOW? It only gets scary when laws become involved? How terrified of you are of the inevitable fascism caused by the health and safety regulations that exist at this very moment? Slopes are only as slippery as you allow them to be.

It's this simple. I don't think putting your children and the rest of the population at risk of preventable, communicable diseases is some kind of unalienable personal right. How is it any different than abuse or assault?

Now maybe Proudclad can bounce back with some "What's next? Forcing people to eat healthy, exercise, and not watch TV or play video games? Mandatory worshipping of Mommy Government every hour?" nonsense that almost resembles sane thought.
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pmub
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So is anyone going to post any legitimate, non-troll reason as to why vaccinations shouldnt br mandatory (unless medically ineligible)?
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There aren't studies that prove vaccines work.
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Rika_Furude posted...

So is anyone going to post any legitimate, non-troll reason as to why vaccinations shouldnt br mandatory (unless medically ineligible)?

Dude, I love you, but you're getting mega trolled
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Australia cuts welfare payments to parents who aren't compliant with the national vaccination schedule.

Something is done right here.
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Nomadic View posted...

Should the government drag someone kicking and screaming to the hospital, tie them down with restraints, then forcibly inject them with a vaccination while theyre crying, begging, and pleading to stop?

They literally already do this when it involves shit like schizophrenia.
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Why do the people arguing against mandatory vaccines always spout fascism claims or throw out straw men when talking about this issue? Directly talk about why or why not vaccinating children is a bad idea. Stop deflecting it to obesity or whatever the hell else you bring up instead to play devils advocate cause you really have no defensible position on why you dont think they should be mandatory.

gmanthebest posted...

Lol those diseases don't exist

Even if they got vaccines it doesn't prove it

Plus, there are LOTS of good anti vex theories, look at all the people who support it. Celebrities who are smart.
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hockeybub89 posted...

What if the pharmaceutical companies and the entire healthcare profession are already doing this RIGHT NOW? It only gets scary when laws become involved?

Because the gov't can force me to do it. Pharma and doctors cannot. I don't go to the doctor anymore since I became an adult and don't plan to basically ever again. So it wouldn't affect me. Gov't affects me.

Rika_Furude posted...

This is conspiracy theorist levels of bullshit. Do you also think 9/11 was orchestrated by the lizard society?

The gov't has literally injected people with disease and experimented on people before. Like they've admitted it. There's nothing conspiracy about it. I just listed off some things that actually already happened.
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And heres one thing ill list off that happens

Vaccines save lives
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