Current Events > It looks like "the bad guy" in Black Panther is white.

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Well white actors sure but Ronan the Accuser, Nebula, and Thanos are not white.
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White people are bad guys all the time, typically for other white guys. There's multiple examples of black people being villains for white people, other black people, and most combinations of other races.

Stop trying to make something that isn't about race be about race. Can't we just go back to the before time like when Blade came out and nobody gave a shit it was a black dude, he was just a badass vampire hunter, or that the antagonist was white?
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Capn Circus posted...

If it's supposedly being touted as a black cast, superhero movie---why not just make all characters black? Why does a white person have to be the bad guy?

Are there any movies with an all white cast and specifically a black person is the bad guy?

Live and Let Die
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thanos really upsets me
like what if we meet some non earthers one day and they see thanos being the bad guy
we might get into a war with these guys over something so ofeensive

can we make thanos into like a tree or osmething that won't be offensive

thanks
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AverageCEgal posted...

thanos really upsets me
like what if we meet some non earthers one day and they see thanos being the bad guy
we might get into a war with these guys over something so ofeensive

can we make thanos into like a tree or osmething that won't be offensive

thanks
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Groot wouldn't be happy if they made him a Tree.
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creativerealms posted...

Well white actors sure but Ronan the Accuser, Nebula, and Thanos are not white.

Don't forget Ultron
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Stop trying to make something that isn't about race be about race. Can't we just go back to the before time like when Blade came out and nobody gave a shit it was a black dude, he was just a badass vampire hunter, or that the antagonist was white?

CE didn't exist back in 1998.
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LordRazziel posted...

So does it matter that there are movies with all white casts, except for the villain, TC?
Or is that different?

I already said I'm okay with it.
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AverageCEgal posted...

the problem with villains is that unlike heroes most people wanted to be the superhero as a kid
you dont get many kids saying i wanna be the bad guy that loses
they wanna be the hero that wins

That's true, but if you could make a list of your ten favorite actors, I'm willing to bet that at least four of them would have a villainous role as the performance you most associate them with.

UnfairRepresent posted...

What's funny is that Daredevil is the only one I can think of and not only is that movie terrible, SJWs whined that they made Kingpin black and comic fans whined that they changed Kingpin.

To be fair, they did test out other actors for the Kingpin role, but at the time, there was really nobody with the size, the gravitas and the look that could pull Wilson Fisk off like Michael Clarke Duncan did.
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Stop trying to make something that isn't about race be about race. Can't we just go back to the before time like when Blade came out and nobody gave a shit it was a black dude, he was just a badass vampire hunter, or that the antagonist was white?

CE didn't exist back in 1998.

CE didn't start this, as as toxic as it is, even at it's peak never had enough pull to spread something like this. it's a byproduct of our current sociopolitical climate.
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Capn Circus posted...

LordRazziel posted...

So does it matter that there are movies with all white casts, except for the villain, TC?
Or is that different?

I already said I'm okay with it.

If you're OK with it, then why are you bitching about it?
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Capn Circus posted...

LordRazziel posted...

So does it matter that there are movies with all white casts, except for the villain, TC?
Or is that different?

I already said I'm okay with it.

Guess I missed that post.
Fair enough.
Better not see you calling people snowflakes. You seem pretty sensitive, yourself.
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LordRazziel posted...

The Admiral posted...

This kind of thing happens with the continuing education videos that everyone in the financial services industry has to watch. The videos show different unethical situations and always have people of every race and gender in each one -- white, black, Hispanic, and Asian. After watching the video, you're then asked questions about what the regulatory or ethical violation was. In every video, the guy or woman committing the violation was white. Didn't matter if the person was playing the client engaging in money laundering, the bank president committing fraud, or the hot shot broker pushing inappropriate stocks. The wrong-doer was white, every single time.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Kinda sad when PC culture makes people afraid to show a minority in any bad light. I remain untriggerd, though.

We have characters like @Capn_Circus and @The_Admiral in every crevice of the Internet, dedicated to that.

Yeah, we saw a lack of diversity among the villains. I guess the first diversity we saw was Thor's evil Sister in Ragnarok.

ProtoManSPx posted...

LordRazziel posted...

The Admiral posted...

This kind of thing happens with the continuing education videos that everyone in the financial services industry has to watch. The videos show different unethical situations and always have people of every race and gender in each one -- white, black, Hispanic, and Asian. After watching the video, you're then asked questions about what the regulatory or ethical violation was. In every video, the guy or woman committing the violation was white. Didn't matter if the person was playing the client engaging in money laundering, the bank president committing fraud, or the hot shot broker pushing inappropriate stocks. The wrong-doer was white, every single time.

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Kinda sad when PC culture makes people afraid to show a minority in any bad light. I remain untriggerd, though.

We have characters like @Capn_Circus and @The_Admiral in every crevice of the Internet, dedicated to that.

I work at a very large accounting firm in LA and while the majority of the "unethical" people were normally white in those "ethics videos", there were some Blacks and Asians that were trying to play victim when in reality they knew they were in the wrong and trying to committing tax fraud/evasion.
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creativerealms posted...

Well white actors sure but Ronan the Accuser, Nebula, and Thanos are not white.

"What about all the villains who are blue?"

To be fair, Ronan's henchman was played by Djimon Housou.

Um...the MAIN villain is black. Michael B. Jordan AKA Erik Killmonger. Also blame Marvel Comics/Stan Lee. Because Klaw (the guy you're complaining about) is white in the comics.
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creativerealms posted...

There is a white villain and a black villain in the film.

Is the black villain Man-Ape of the white gorilla tribe?
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not surprising

remember in homecoming how the black thug wasn't really a thug just a guy trying to help his family

I didn't even know about the Black Panther character until he showed up in one of the Avengers movies. He seems pretty low-tier. My interest is next to zero.
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Kill monger is black. The white guy is trying to exploit black panter country's resources. Like Europeans have been doing for centuries lol
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LavarNeedsHelp posted...

not surprising

remember in homecoming how the black thug wasn't really a thug just a guy trying to help his family

You didn't watch Homecoming
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TheoryzC posted...

LavarNeedsHelp posted...

not surprising

remember in homecoming how the black thug wasn't really a thug just a guy trying to help his family

You didn't watch Homecoming

i only watched it once when it came out

didn't they give donald glover some dumb excuse and peter said k bye

how do you guys even notice this stuff

Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

It's also statistically more likely that if the good guys are selected from the population randomly, around 70% of them would be white, and only about half of the remainder would specifically be black.
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AverageCEgal posted...

the problem with villains is that unlike heroes most people wanted to be the superhero as a kid
you dont get many kids saying i wanna be the bad guy that loses
they wanna be the hero that wins

I love how if you listen to actors, being the villain is great. They talk about how they get all the great over the top scenes and speeches, and really get to play it up.
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Both Killmonger and Man-Ape are Black Panther villains and they're both black.

Baron Mordo was changed from a white guy to a black guy and he's a Doctor Strange villain.

Shocker, traditionally a white guy, became a black guy in Homecoming.

Keep in mind Marvel doesn't really have that many black supervillains to begin with.
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Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

That isn't true at all if one considers the statistics on crime in the U.S.

...Unless your measurements of what constitutes a "bad guy" has absolutely nothing to do with criminality, thereby contradicting literally everything associated with the nature of super-villains... then perhaps you'd be correct.
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Funbazooka posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

That isn't true at all if one considers the statistics on crime in the U.S.

...Unless your measurements of what constitutes a "bad guy" has absolutely nothing to do with criminality, thereby contradicting literally everything associated with the nature of super-villains... then perhaps you'd be correct.

I think it's probably safe to assume that supervilliany and common crime aren't going to be too closely connected.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Serious question:

Has the villain in any MCU movie so far not been white?

Iron Man 2 has a non-white villain. The villain of the eventual Dr Strange sequel will also be non-white.

Also the Netflix series have an organization of mostly Asian villains, and Luke Cage has black villains, obviously.
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Gamer99z posted...

White people are bad guys all the time, typically for other white guys. There's multiple examples of black people being villains for white people, other black people, and most combinations of other races.

Stop trying to make something that isn't about race be about race. Can't we just go back to the before time like when Blade came out and nobody gave a shit it was a black dude, he was just a badass vampire hunter, or that the antagonist was white?

Thank you. One of the few reasonable posts in this topic. Its pretty ridiculous how many people ITT are crying racism against whites over a single movies casting choices
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All the racist gimmick accounts really laying it on thick itt and every other BP topic fwiw
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DarkTransient posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

That isn't true at all if one considers the statistics on crime in the U.S.

...Unless your measurements of what constitutes a "bad guy" has absolutely nothing to do with criminality, thereby contradicting literally everything associated with the nature of super-villains... then perhaps you'd be correct.

I think it's probably safe to assume that supervilliany and common crime aren't going to be too closely connected.

Fam_Fam was the one comparing fantasy make-believe to the real world. He's the one bringing it up, and there's nothing wrong with making that comparison, but his comparison is inaccurate.

The common characteristic of a "bad guy" is criminality and that extends to super-villains. Their crimes are usually on grander scale though... which is what makes them super-villains.

Why do I even have to explain this? I mean really. Why so disingenuous? I'm sure you know better.
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Funbazooka posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

That isn't true at all if one considers the statistics on crime in the U.S.

...Unless your measurements of what constitutes a "bad guy" has absolutely nothing to do with criminality, thereby contradicting literally everything associated with the nature of super-villains... then perhaps you'd be correct.

I think it's probably safe to assume that supervilliany and common crime aren't going to be too closely connected.

Fam_Fam was the one comparing fantasy make-believe to the real world. He's the one bringing it up, and there's nothing wrong with making that comparison, but his comparison is inaccurate.

The common characteristic of a "bad guy" is criminality and that extends to super-villains. Their crimes are usually on grander scale though... which is what makes them super-villains.

Why do I even have to explain this? I mean really. Why so disingenuous? I'm sure you know better.

It's a different kind of criminality, though. You don't see the same trends in those kind of massive evil plots as you would in, say, robbing a convenience store.
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I'd be disappointed if it were any other way. Preferably he'd be Dutch. Not enough people know about their atrocities.
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How did this get so many posts? The topic title is literally wrong.
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DarkTransient posted...

Funbazooka posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

That isn't true at all if one considers the statistics on crime in the U.S.

...Unless your measurements of what constitutes a "bad guy" has absolutely nothing to do with criminality, thereby contradicting literally everything associated with the nature of super-villains... then perhaps you'd be correct.

I think it's probably safe to assume that supervilliany and common crime aren't going to be too closely connected.

Fam_Fam was the one comparing fantasy make-believe to the real world. He's the one bringing it up, and there's nothing wrong with making that comparison, but his comparison is inaccurate.

The common characteristic of a "bad guy" is criminality and that extends to super-villains. Their crimes are usually on grander scale though... which is what makes them super-villains.

Why do I even have to explain this? I mean really. Why so disingenuous? I'm sure you know better.

It's a different kind of criminality, though. You don't see the same trends in those kind of massive evil plots as you would in, say, robbing a convenience store.

Super-villains steal all the time. That's the same ethos exemplified through the real world common criminal. It's what they have in common... because they're bad guys... but they're super. I think you understand this. Very young people have always understood this about comic book villains.

I don't know why you're disputing this. A huge deflection I suppose, to my original *problematic* point.
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Funbazooka posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

That isn't true at all if one considers the statistics on crime in the U.S.

...Unless your measurements of what constitutes a "bad guy" has absolutely nothing to do with criminality, thereby contradicting literally everything associated with the nature of super-villains... then perhaps you'd be correct.

I think it's probably safe to assume that supervilliany and common crime aren't going to be too closely connected.

Fam_Fam was the one comparing fantasy make-believe to the real world. He's the one bringing it up, and there's nothing wrong with making that comparison, but his comparison is inaccurate.

The common characteristic of a "bad guy" is criminality and that extends to super-villains. Their crimes are usually on grander scale though... which is what makes them super-villains.

Why do I even have to explain this? I mean really. Why so disingenuous? I'm sure you know better.

let me clarify. I said if you randomly selected a person from the general population, and said, this person will be the supervillain in the movie, then the person would most likely be white. Same if you randomly selected from the population of male actors (assuming the villian is a male). This group is also mostly white. It is probably the case that most of the people who interviewed for the job are also white.

Obviously, they did not choose the super villain based on the population of criminals in the United States, which I agree is not mostly white (but of course, this is not how they choose movie characters)

Funbazooka posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

given that most people in the US are white, its statistically more likely that the bad guy is white if you selected someone from the population randomly

That isn't true at all if one considers the statistics on crime in the U.S.

...Unless your measurements of what constitutes a "bad guy" has absolutely nothing to do with criminality, thereby contradicting literally everything associated with the nature of super-villains... then perhaps you'd be correct.

Yes, we get it, you dont like black people.
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What's a good tag for TC?
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Skye Reynolds posted...

DarkTransient posted...

As long as they don't try to play it off that he's bad because he's white, so what?

Let's be honest, they probably will.

<_<

Lmao this fucking guy
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Veggeta X posted...

What's a good tag for TC?

since early 2017, I've had him tagged as "fragile racebaiter"
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Roxborough4Ever posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

DarkTransient posted...

As long as they don't try to play it off that he's bad because he's white, so what?

Let's be honest, they probably will.

<_<

relax, its just a movie

It's never "just a movie". Movie's are big business, and always have been. So the story and casting is important.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

Veggeta X posted...

What's a good tag for TC?

since early 2017, I've had him tagged as "fragile racebaiter"

LoL
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Of course Ulysses Klaue is white

And oh boy I'm looking forward to hearing alt-right folks complain and get triggered over this movie.

Still, it'll be a welcome reprieve from complaints about "forced diversity" in Star Wars
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That's racist
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KK_the_Slider posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Serious question:

Has the villain in any MCU movie so far not been white?

No that black lady from Suicide Squad doesn't count.

How could she count? Suicide Squad isn't MCU it's DCEU.

Ronan was blue
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

Veggeta X posted...

What's a good tag for TC?

since early 2017, I've had him tagged as "fragile racebaiter"

Perfect
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