Current Events > Why do people say the X-Men wouldn't work in the MCU?

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"why do people hate mutants but they're okay with other superheroes?"

The entire plot of Civil War was about the government wanting full oversight of the Avengers. Ross even poses the question of "Do you guys even know where Hulk and Thor are? Imagine if we just suddenly lost a nuclear weapon and had no clue where it went."

Not to mention Scarlet Witch and how everybody is scared of her powers.

If anything, post-Civil War MCU opens up storylines for the mutants. Things were already bad when you had people who came upon superpowers, imagine if people were being born with them?
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But how do you make it so mutants have always been a thing? Do they just start appearing now or have they always been there? If that's the case than you can't really do a classic Magneto with all that Holocaust background.
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^ Magneto can be a victim of ethnic cleansing and all of the messed up stuff that happened in eastern Europe during the 90s
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with Doctor Strange involved, the mutants could have been from a parallel dimension earth.
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boxington posted...

^ Magneto can be a victim of ethnic cleansing and all of the messed up stuff that happened in eastern Europe during the 90s

Yeah but in the MCU as is right now. The public hasn't seen heroes before it seems.

With the destruction of the past sites. The world government decided to come up with the Sokovia Plans or whatever. How come they didn't before?

If Magneto was already rampaging about.
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They could work. And they have the filmmakers and the will to do it. Apocalypse was such dull garbage.
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GameGodOfAll posted...

But how do you make it so mutants have always been a thing? Do they just start appearing now or have they always been there? If that's the case than you can't really do a classic Magneto with all that Holocaust background.

A couple of ideas:

a) An Omega-level mutant (not sure who exactly, maybe Legion) either intentionally or unintentionally erased mutants and/or public knowledge about their existence from history, but the events of Infinity War bring them back.

b) Mutants have always been there, but the public didn't know exactly what a mutant was and just assumed they were just people with superpowers. Magneto is inactive for whatever reason, maybe he was in a coma or something. Maybe Charles put him in it after some heroic BSOD, in order to prevent him from starting a war with mankind. Then Charles takes his students into hiding. The recent events with the Avengers and these other superpowered beings brings mutants back out of hiding.

c) You COULD say they're from another dimension, but I'm not too fond of that idea since it seems like a bit of a cop-out. I like the idea of mutants being salty that other superheroes over the years have been received well by the public while they were hated on and mocked.
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OR, even better, since Doctor Strange did have dimension hopping, maybe the mutants aren't from a parallel dimension, but they simply went there to live in peace. You could say this dimension is "Utopia".

The X-Men has tons of cosmic enemies that maybe try to destroy the place (I would probably not use Phoenix just yet for this), forcing them to come back to our dimension.
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Adding 700,000 people with powers isn't a good idea when you're half way through a story
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In general, they don't fit the Marvel dynamic. They're the comic best suited to live in their own universe away from other characters.

Honestly, I don't want to see Fantastic Four or the X-Men until the franchise reboots. And Kevin Feige's claim that the series will never reboot means nil unless his mutant power is immortality and he can personally block that from happening. All series of merit will eventually see a remake. It could be four to six decades from now, but it will happen.

Just make it so mutants were always there, but were afraid to use their powers, were always kept a close eye on, and were responsible for most unexplained phenomenon we know about today. Then when the movie happens, it is when thing become uncontained, and tada.

Dont act like the other MCU movies dealt with anything with grace anyway.
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_wwKd_ posted...

boxington posted...

^ Magneto can be a victim of ethnic cleansing and all of the messed up stuff that happened in eastern Europe during the 90s

Yeah but in the MCU as is right now. The public hasn't seen heroes before it seems.

With the destruction of the past sites. The world government decided to come up with the Sokovia Plans or whatever. How come they didn't before?

If Magneto was already rampaging about.

truu

but when they bring the X-Men over, I hope that Scarlet Witch will somehow end up being Magneto's daughter again
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Skye Reynolds posted...

In general, they don't fit the Marvel dynamic.

They totally do.

Marvel's not like DC where all of the insanely strong superheroes are publicly loved. Yeah, a few seem to have positive public perception, but that's mostly because they're affiliated with The Avengers, which is a government agency.

Or even the Fantastic Four, but they're led by already renowned scientist Reed Richards.
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Also, I think y'all are forgetting the Inhumans... They already serve the purpose that X Men fill as far as 'enhanced' humans.

And say what you want about the Inhumans TV show, but I do think Agents of SHIELD has done a pretty good job exploring the subject.
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sellerdore posted...

Also, I think y'all are forgetting the Inhumans... They already serve the purpose that X Men fill as far as 'enhanced' humans.

And say what you want about the Inhumans TV show, but I do think Agents of SHIELD has done a pretty good job exploring the subject.

The problem with the Inhumans (besides simply not being as popular as the X-Men) is that Inhumans have a choice. They can choose to awaken their powers with terragen mist or they can choose not to.
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Shield and the X-Men made a deal to keep mutants a secret or something.
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_____Cait posted...

Just make it so mutants were always there, but were afraid to use their powers, were always kept a close eye on, and were responsible for most unexplained phenomenon we know about today. Then when the movie happens, it is when thing become uncontained, and tada.

Dont act like the other MCU movies dealt with anything with grace anyway.

This won't work
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I am in favor of separating the mutants from the rest of the universe even in the comics. they need to do an event that rewrites reality and moves all the mutants to another universe. the mutants just dont' fit in marvel at all. it's never made sense why people hate mutants but love other heroes. or why people don't ever accuse Spidy of being a mutant. J Jonah Jameson should be jumping all over that. mutants are best when they are the only ones in the world.

Zikten posted...

it's never made sense why people hate mutants but love other heroes.

Does bigotry ever really make sense?

Plus, what other heroes get love? Like I said earlier, this isn't the DC Universe where everyone from Wonder Woman to Superman to Flash to Green Lantern are beloved icons. The heroes in Marvel, particularly the stronger ones, are the subject of public mistrust, paranoia and hatred all the time. The sole exception being those with ties to the Fantastic Four (a small group of well-renowned scientists, astronauts, etc.,) or The Avengers, where among its core members is freakin' Tony Stark, a "genius billionaire playboy philanthropist".

There's also the issue of how mutants are created. Captain America was created by humans. The Fantastic Four was a scientific accident. So was The Hulk. Spider-Man was the result of science.

But mutants are a naturally occurring biological process that humans can't control. In essence, human hatred of mutants is basically humans' innate fear of Mother Nature and the natural order of the universe, the fear that no matter what we do, we're not that special and the universe could easily just wipe us out one day or replace us with something better.

Zikten posted...

or why people don't ever accuse Spidy of being a mutant.

I don't know if this was in the comics, but in the cartoons at least, people DID mistake Spidey for a mutant.
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the average citizen doesn't know all the origin stories of every hero. And ever since One More Day, next to nobody knows anything about Spiderman. He's very mysterious

Zikten posted...

the average citizen doesn't know all the origin stories of every hero. And ever since One More Day, next to nobody knows anything about Spiderman. He's very mysterious

Sure.

But Captain America is a war hero and The Fantastic Four was led by scientific genius Reed Richards. Their backstories are publicly known and they already have public bias in their favor.

And Spider-Man's always been on the more "mixed" end as far as public favor goes.
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wasnt captain america in the 50s
and won't captain marvel be in the 90s

really wouldn't be too hard
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At this point, how can people doubt the all mighty Kevin Feige?
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GameGodOfAll posted...

But how do you make it so mutants have always been a thing? Do they just start appearing now or have they always been there? If that's the case than you can't really do a classic Magneto with all that Holocaust background.

Infinity Gauntlet reality warping. Easiest explanation there is.
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dave_is_slick posted...

GameGodOfAll posted...

But how do you make it so mutants have always been a thing? Do they just start appearing now or have they always been there? If that's the case than you can't really do a classic Magneto with all that Holocaust background.

Infinity Gauntlet reality warping. Easiest explanation there is.

Yeah this would be the easiest and probably the best explanation. Just go over it real quick. It's honestly not something the general audience will even dwell on anyways. People just want to see their favorite characters together finally.
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

wasnt captain america in the 50s

no the 40's. he never experienced the 50's. he got frozen in the 40's. and he woke up in the 60's in the original comic timeline. but it's a sliding timescale and they keep updating it, I don't know when it's said he woke up now. but he was always a hero of the 40's. the whole gimmic of him is that he fought in WW2. which happened in the 40's

Because magneto would shit on the avengers.

GG Caps shield

GG Ironman

GG hawkeyes bow

GG avengers super flying headquarters

Tho Hulk vs Juggernaut (not the clown from x3) would be fun to watch

People hate mutants because they're not in control of their powers. Iron Man made his own suit and Captain America willingly took the serum. Rogue touched her boyfriend and nearly killed him. People dislike them because they're afraid of what will happen if they're around a mutant that can't control their powers.
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