Current Events > The Democrats' only actual position is ''we don't like Trump''

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The Admiral posted...

littlebro07 posted...

The Admiral posted...

petulant media showing historical bias against him because he hurts their feelings,

*Trump does or says thing*
CNN: Trump did or said this thing *link to video of Trump doing thing or tweet of Trump saying thing*
Trump Supporters: BIASED FAKE NEWSSSSSSSSS

But yeah they are pretty biased I guess. No worse than Fox was to Obama though.

They're not just biased, they're more biased than they have ever been against any other president in modern history. And that's far in excess of Trump's disapproval rating:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-trump-media-three-times-more-negative-than-for-obama-just-5-percent-positive/article/2644448

Imagine linking to the Washington Examiner if you want to be taken seriously.
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Ilove4chan posted...

The Admiral posted...

littlebro07 posted...

The Admiral posted...

petulant media showing historical bias against him because he hurts their feelings,

*Trump does or says thing*
CNN: Trump did or said this thing *link to video of Trump doing thing or tweet of Trump saying thing*
Trump Supporters: BIASED FAKE NEWSSSSSSSSS

But yeah they are pretty biased I guess. No worse than Fox was to Obama though.

They're not just biased, they're more biased than they have ever been against any other president in modern history. And that's far in excess of Trump's disapproval rating:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-trump-media-three-times-more-negative-than-for-obama-just-5-percent-positive/article/2644448

Imagine linking to the Washington Examiner if you want to be taken seriously.

Imagine not even being able to read the URL and see that it's based on a Pew research study.
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w/e Darkman, most people are respectful to you. Only the people who lack self-awareness and can't tell when they're outclassed regularly pick fights with you.

It doesn't change the fact that what Admiral has said in this topic is silly nonsense designed almost entirely to piss people off.
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AdviceMan posted...

It doesn't change the fact that what Admiral has said in this topic is silly nonsense designed almost entirely to piss people off.

i am aware--which is why i was (somewhat disappointedly) remarking that he was acting as though he had me on ignore.
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Darkman124 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

That doesn't say what you think it says.

it does, actually. dems have learned by now that GOTV efforts with their base are key, not 'persuading independents' or 'bipartisanship'. their base hates the cut. they will run on repealing it, as the GOP did obamacare.

But the anti-Obamacare rhetoric didn't just appeal to the base, especially after it went into effect and tens of millions of people lost insurance as a result, and damned-near everyone had massive premium spikes.
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darkjedilink posted...

But the anti-Obamacare rhetoric didn't just appeal to the base, especially after it went into effect and tens of millions of people lost insurance as a result, and damned-near everyone had massive premium spikes.

Health insurance premiums were already skyrocketing before the ACA went into place.
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@The_Admiral

Lol at being so delusional you'd think Trump is better than Obama. Thats just sad and objectively false.

You forgot "Beautiful, clean coooooaal."
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_OujiDoza_ posted...

You forgot "Beautiful, clean coooooaal."

Yeah, cringey as fuck.
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CableZL posted...

darkjedilink posted...

But the anti-Obamacare rhetoric didn't just appeal to the base, especially after it went into effect and tens of millions of people lost insurance as a result, and damned-near everyone had massive premium spikes.

Health insurance premiums were already skyrocketing before the ACA went into place.

DJL is not wrong to note that it made things worse for the average family, as the high risk pool was added to the general population's cost basis.

darkjedilink posted...

But the anti-Obamacare rhetoric didn't just appeal to the base, especially after it went into effect and tens of millions of people lost insurance as a result, and damned-near everyone had massive premium spikes.

despite its average negative effect on a given person, obamacare was roughly as popular as the tax bill is now, and became more popular over time.

given the tax bill's similar trajectory, you can expect similar electoral results, and a similar ending fate for it.

if the SC forces an end to gerrymandering, dems will take the house back. if they don't, they'll probably take the house back.
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Is there a single post from the left that is arguing context?

I skimmed for one but all I saw was but Republicans and Admiral scares me.
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Darkman124 posted...

CableZL posted...

darkjedilink posted...

But the anti-Obamacare rhetoric didn't just appeal to the base, especially after it went into effect and tens of millions of people lost insurance as a result, and damned-near everyone had massive premium spikes.

Health insurance premiums were already skyrocketing before the ACA went into place.

DJL is not wrong to note that it made things worse for the average family, as the high risk pool was added to the general population's cost basis.

darkjedilink posted...

But the anti-Obamacare rhetoric didn't just appeal to the base, especially after it went into effect and tens of millions of people lost insurance as a result, and damned-near everyone had massive premium spikes.

despite its average negative effect on a given person, obamacare was roughly as popular as the tax bill is now, and became more popular over time.

given the tax bill's similar trajectory, you can expect similar electoral results, and a similar ending fate for it.

if the SC forces an end to gerrymandering, dems will take the house back. if they don't, they'll probably take the house back.

I think this is a very rose-colored view of Obamacare's popularity. I just don't see telling people making more money to vote for the people who want to kill the cause of that working out.
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This thread is a fucking mess
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darkjedilink posted...

I think this is a very rose-colored view of Obamacare's popularity. I just don't see telling people making more money to vote for the people who want to kill the cause of that working out.

it is a data-driven view of obamacare's popularity

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

and given that the tax bill's bump to standard deduction is temp but its removal of standard deductions and shifting to slower inflation models for higher tax brackets is permanent people will pay more over time

the only thing i view with rose-tinted glasses is dogs
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Bloodychess posted...

This thread is a fucking mess

Yeah.
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Darkman124 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

I think this is a very rose-colored view of Obamacare's popularity. I just don't see telling people making more money to vote for the people who want to kill the cause of that working out.

it is a data-driven view of obamacare's popularity

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

and given that the tax bill's bump to standard deduction is temp but its removal of standard deductions and shifting to slower inflation models for higher tax brackets is permanent people will pay more over time

the only thing i view with rose-tinted glasses is dogs

You think that voters are going to care about the long term?
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darkjedilink posted...

You think that voters are going to care about the long term?

I do. I think American voters as a whole have gotten better over time, despite the election of Trump--which is a function less of the failings of our electorate and more the failings of a Clinton campaign that just did not understand how to properly game the electoral system, and a Trump campaign that understood gaming it was their only path to victory.
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Darkman124 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

You think that voters are going to care about the long term?

I do. I think American voters as a whole have gotten better over time, despite the election of Trump--which is a function less of the failings of our electorate and more the failings of a Clinton campaign that just did not understand how to properly game the electoral system, and a Trump campaign that understood gaming it was their only path to victory.

If they cared about the long term, Libertarianism would be the majority.

History has proven that people who would seriously vote Democrat only care about short-term self interest.
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darkjedilink posted...

If they cared about the long term, Libertarianism would be the majority.

History has proven that people who would seriously vote Democrat only care about short-term self interest.

So you're interested in history? Let's talk about how Aristotalian ideals led to the fall of great empires.
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darkjedilink posted...

If they cared about the long term, Libertarianism would be the majority.

That is one hell of a leap.

Remember when Republicans tried to black Obamacare because black guy and it then became a neutered inefficient mess because of their dogshit compromises
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butthole666 posted...

Remember when Republicans tried to black Obamacare because black guy and it then became a neutered inefficient mess because of their dogs*** compromises

technically no compromises were made with republicans

compromises were made with conservative dems to achieve 60 votes and attempt to woo republicans

then the standard passage effort failed, and rather than rewrite the bill as one without those inefficiencies for passage via reconciliation, dems just passed it

that was a really stupid decision on their part.
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It got it through so I was fine with it.
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Nomadic View posted...

Is there a single post from the left that is arguing context?

I skimmed for one but all I saw was but Republicans and Admiral scares me.

Stop eating those b-b-b-buttery mails and you might find one.
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The Dems need to get their shit together.
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Right in the behind
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butthole666 posted...

Remember when Republicans tried to black Obamacare because black guy

Bullshit. Do you really think if Hillary had won and proposed the same plan that Republicans would have suddenly gotten on board?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

butthole666 posted...

Remember when Republicans tried to black Obamacare because black guy

Bullshit. Do you really think if Hillary had won and proposed the same plan that Republicans would have suddenly gotten on board?

I think if McCain had, they would have. It's not singularly about race, in my view, but as of ~2009 the GOP became absurdly partisan to the point where they outright refused a policy that largely came from the conservative Heritage Foundation, and which Mitt Romney had implemented (albeit in Massachusetts).
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Darkman124 posted...

negative reporting is not bias

bias would be reporting things that are consistently not true and also negative

Or deliberately misleading to paint a without technically outright lying,

Like lets say Trump said he wanted to Eradicate hundreds of thousands diseases through massive government initiatives and the headlines were Trump pledges to eliminate hundreds of thousands and the article/story itself goes out of its way to mention what he exactly said as little as possible.
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