Current Events > Nolan Bushnell may not get an award because of the #metoo crap

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DoubleDare
01/31/18 9:53:35 AM
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https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/1/30/16952294/nolan-bushnell-gdc-pioneer-award-2018

So Bushnell (who started atari) is going to get a pioneer award.

But he has said himself (never tried to hide it) that they were wild at atari, like a fraternity, having meetings in hot tubs, have sexual stuff with women, saying how money and power can do stuff.

So now women are yelling with one saying instead of Bushnell getting it, it should go to all women symbolically.

He still is a pioneer of videogames, and the 70s were wild.

I get when they come with with some stuff that was rape, bad sexual assault, with the ones that tried to hide it.

But this is becoming the woman who cried metoo at this point.
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DarthAragorn
01/31/18 9:56:08 AM
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What a joke
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DoubleDare
01/31/18 10:01:22 AM
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Also note, no women have come out that was part of anything involving bushnell
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eston
01/31/18 10:03:16 AM
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Fishy
01/31/18 10:05:04 AM
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eston posted...
Oh no how terrible

he literally invented video games as we know them
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darkprince45
01/31/18 10:06:20 AM
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DoubleDare posted...

So now women are yelling with one saying instead of Bushnell getting it, it should go to all women symbolically


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Vyrulisse
01/31/18 10:06:45 AM
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Sounds like a typical 70's/80's office style. Everyone was like that... these people are trying to judge the way of things with eyes from today and it just doesn't work.

Sexuality and being crude was a lot more acceptable back then even to Women. I've had my mom tell me stories of old office parties and she'd laugh about how her bosses would make fools of themselves trying to impress other girls or showing their asses etc... it was a different time. She certainly didn't feel assaulted or whatever, she thought it was funny.
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Duncanwii
01/31/18 10:09:43 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w


Just give him the award. I don't understand why anyone outside the industry should get a voice here anyway.
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chill02
01/31/18 10:10:08 AM
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Esrac
01/31/18 10:13:27 AM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Sounds like a typical 70's/80's office style. Everyone was like that... these people are trying to judge the way of things with eyes from today and it just doesn't work.

Sexuality and being crude was a lot more acceptable back then even to Women. I've had my mom tell me stories of old office parties and she'd laugh about how her bosses would make fools of themselves trying to impress other girls or showing their asses etc... it was a different time. She certainly didn't feel assaulted or whatever, she thought it was funny.


Ah, the good old days.
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Funkydog
01/31/18 10:14:58 AM
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If no one actually has any complaints against him... seems a bit silly to refuse to give him it >.>
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Fishy
01/31/18 10:22:11 AM
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As a bit of a note the women who don't want him to get an an award are Brianna Wu, who made this masterpiece of gaming

https://armedgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/threats-briana-wu.jpg
(released 2014)

Gillian smith, who has made a couple of small quilting games (???)

and Elizabeth Sampat who, when clicking her "games" tab on her website redirects you to the essay section, seems only this as any sort of "game"

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Basically some real hard hitters from the game industry are preventing the INVENTOR OF ATARI and home consoles as we know them from getting an award because of 70's hippie culture

EDIT: whoops seems I missed Jennifer Scheurle whose entire portfolio seems to have 404'd
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DifferentialEquation
01/31/18 10:23:54 AM
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scar the 1
01/31/18 10:26:06 AM
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DoubleDare posted...
bad sexual assault,

As opposed to good sexual assault?
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darkjedilink
01/31/18 10:27:52 AM
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Remember, anyone critical of #metoo is CLEARLY a misogynistic pig.

The women fighting Bushnell's legacy of predatory behavior are clearly champions of women's rights.
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Vyrulisse
01/31/18 10:28:49 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Esrac posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Sounds like a typical 70's/80's office style. Everyone was like that... these people are trying to judge the way of things with eyes from today and it just doesn't work.

Sexuality and being crude was a lot more acceptable back then even to Women. I've had my mom tell me stories of old office parties and she'd laugh about how her bosses would make fools of themselves trying to impress other girls or showing their asses etc... it was a different time. She certainly didn't feel assaulted or whatever, she thought it was funny.


Ah, the good old days.


Yeah I think there are solid reasons why we moved away from environments like that being acceptable. It may have been that way in the past, but it doesn't make it okay for a workplace.

I'm not saying it was "the good old days" and neither does she. She just says that's how it was back then and mostly everyone "played the game" as it were. It's better nowadays for sure but my point is that judging what was acceptable in the past with the eyes of today doesn't always work. For some things it does but not all.

If someone actually comes forward and says they felt harassed by Bushnell and his ilk then that changes things but right now it's a bunch of people unrelated to anything that happened back then taking it upon themselves to be offended for people who may not even exist.
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Esrac
01/31/18 10:35:46 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Esrac posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
Sounds like a typical 70's/80's office style. Everyone was like that... these people are trying to judge the way of things with eyes from today and it just doesn't work.

Sexuality and being crude was a lot more acceptable back then even to Women. I've had my mom tell me stories of old office parties and she'd laugh about how her bosses would make fools of themselves trying to impress other girls or showing their asses etc... it was a different time. She certainly didn't feel assaulted or whatever, she thought it was funny.


Ah, the good old days.


Yeah I think there are solid reasons why we moved away from environments like that being acceptable. It may have been that way in the past, but it doesn't make it okay for a workplace.


I'm not even being totally sarcastic. I don't especially have a problem with that kind of loose, even crude, working environment.
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bige85
01/31/18 10:44:12 AM
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Fishy posted...
As a bit of a note the women who don't want him to get an an award are Brianna Wu, who made this masterpiece of gaming

https://armedgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/threats-briana-wu.jpg
(released 2014)

Gillian smith, who has made a couple of small quilting games (???)

and Elizabeth Sampat who, when clicking her "games" tab on her website redirects you to the essay section, seems only this as any sort of "game"

MVBm1cv

Basically some real hard hitters from the game industry are preventing the INVENTOR OF ATARI and home consoles as we know them from getting an award because of 70's hippie culture

EDIT: whoops seems I missed Jennifer Scheurle whose entire portfolio seems to have 404'd

WOW

Wu and other "developers" need to go away already.
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Esrac
01/31/18 10:48:32 AM
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bige85 posted...
Fishy posted...
As a bit of a note the women who don't want him to get an an award are Brianna Wu, who made this masterpiece of gaming

https://armedgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/threats-briana-wu.jpg
(released 2014)

Gillian smith, who has made a couple of small quilting games (???)

and Elizabeth Sampat who, when clicking her "games" tab on her website redirects you to the essay section, seems only this as any sort of "game"

MVBm1cv

Basically some real hard hitters from the game industry are preventing the INVENTOR OF ATARI and home consoles as we know them from getting an award because of 70's hippie culture

EDIT: whoops seems I missed Jennifer Scheurle whose entire portfolio seems to have 404'd

WOW

Wu and other "developers" need to go away already.


I thought Wu was busy trying to be the first trans-woman Congress woman or something. Didn't she announce she was going to run because she didn't like that the FBI basically said Gamergate wasn't that big a deal?
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Vyrulisse
01/31/18 10:51:13 AM
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Wu is a legit lunatic and a proven liar. If she's serious about running then that should be quite the shitshow when people go into her history.
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Esrac
01/31/18 11:13:25 AM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Wu is a legit lunatic and a proven liar. If she's serious about running then that should be quite the shitshow when people go into her history.


Sounds about right.
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eston
01/31/18 12:09:26 PM
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Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.
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The Great Muta 22
01/31/18 12:13:59 PM
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eston posted...
Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.


But if we can't get outraged over people saying stupid shit on Twitter, then what's the point!?
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Vyrulisse
01/31/18 12:14:51 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
eston posted...
Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.


But if we can't get outraged over people saying stupid shit on Twitter, then what's the point!?

Don't act like fake twitter outrage hasn't ruined things for people before.
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The Great Muta 22
01/31/18 12:17:38 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
eston posted...
Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.


But if we can't get outraged over people saying stupid shit on Twitter, then what's the point!?

Don't act like fake twitter outrage hasn't ruined things for people before.


And when it happens, then it's the time to get upset. But getting upset at others being upset that something is happening that you agree with happening seems frankly stupid to me.
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DoubleDare
01/31/18 12:33:42 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
eston posted...
Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.


But if we can't get outraged over people saying stupid shit on Twitter, then what's the point!?

Don't act like fake twitter outrage hasn't ruined things for people before.


And when it happens, then it's the time to get upset. But getting upset at others being upset that something is happening that you agree with happening seems frankly stupid to me.


It actually did just now, they announced he's not getting the award.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-01-31-gdc-awards-to-honour-nolan-bushnell-tim-schafer-and-rami-ismail
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Vyrulisse
01/31/18 12:36:20 PM
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DoubleDare posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
eston posted...
Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.


But if we can't get outraged over people saying stupid shit on Twitter, then what's the point!?

Don't act like fake twitter outrage hasn't ruined things for people before.


And when it happens, then it's the time to get upset. But getting upset at others being upset that something is happening that you agree with happening seems frankly stupid to me.


It actually did just now, they announced he's not getting the award.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-01-31-gdc-awards-to-honour-nolan-bushnell-tim-schafer-and-rami-ismail

What a disgrace on their part.
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bige85
01/31/18 12:38:34 PM
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DoubleDare posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
eston posted...
Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.


But if we can't get outraged over people saying stupid shit on Twitter, then what's the point!?

Don't act like fake twitter outrage hasn't ruined things for people before.


And when it happens, then it's the time to get upset. But getting upset at others being upset that something is happening that you agree with happening seems frankly stupid to me.


It actually did just now, they announced he's not getting the award.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-01-31-gdc-awards-to-honour-nolan-bushnell-tim-schafer-and-rami-ismail

Fucking bullshit.
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Funkydog
01/31/18 12:45:05 PM
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eston
01/31/18 12:48:28 PM
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DoubleDare posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Vyrulisse posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
eston posted...
Okay so after actually reading the article I see no indication that he will be prevented from receiving this award. This is a story about people making posts on Twitter.


But if we can't get outraged over people saying stupid shit on Twitter, then what's the point!?

Don't act like fake twitter outrage hasn't ruined things for people before.


And when it happens, then it's the time to get upset. But getting upset at others being upset that something is happening that you agree with happening seems frankly stupid to me.


It actually did just now, they announced he's not getting the award.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-01-31-gdc-awards-to-honour-nolan-bushnell-tim-schafer-and-rami-ismail

lmao
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Fishy
01/31/18 12:55:49 PM
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Wow they actually took it from him.

I bet they all use iPhones too. Jobs was the same kind of person.
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darkjedilink
01/31/18 2:54:16 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Remember, anyone critical of #metoo is CLEARLY a misogynistic pig.

The women fighting Bushnell's legacy of predatory behavior are clearly champions of women's rights.

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assassingriskel
01/31/18 3:00:50 PM
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Another win for the femnazis one step closer to men being kept underground solely for breeding purposes
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soulunison2
01/31/18 3:02:45 PM
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Imagine caring about awards smh
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Zikten
01/31/18 3:24:13 PM
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DoubleDare posted...
So now women are yelling with one saying instead of Bushnell getting it, it should go to all women symbolically.

did all women symbolically found the video game industry? were there even any women in the video game industry back then?
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Zikten
01/31/18 3:25:03 PM
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chill02 posted...
who

so much hate
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Nostradumbass
01/31/18 3:25:06 PM
#40:


Retroactive vindictiveness
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TheGrindery
01/31/18 3:31:07 PM
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Who called for this? That redheaded bitch who's name I can't remember?
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FrisbeeDude
01/31/18 3:35:46 PM
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Fair, next
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Zikten
01/31/18 3:37:04 PM
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Fair, next

hand in your all your video games then. stop playing any kind of game. and stop posting here on gamefaqs
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AdviceMan
01/31/18 3:37:11 PM
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"In early 2017, the Federal Bureau of Investigation closed its investigation of the matter. The FBI identified four men who sent threats and obtained confessions from two of them, one of whom stated that they had sent the threat as a "joke" but "understood that it was a federal crime to send a threatening communication to anyone and will never do it again." The U.S. Attorney for the District of Massachusetts declined to prosecute, giving no specific reason. Reacting to the report, Wu stated the FBI did not care about the investigation and that she was "livid".[39]"

lolgamergate
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Unquestionable
01/31/18 3:37:25 PM
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If we had actual victims of some kind of controversy this would be understandable. Instead we have a bunch of the loudest yet least accomplished people in the field trying to pretend the goings on at Atari back in the late 70s/early 80s are somehow important to be hyper critical about.
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TheGrindery
01/31/18 3:40:59 PM
#46:


Let's just give the gaming industry to women anyway so all future games are made by women. With games on cellphones taking over, it's hard to care anymore PLUS it would allow us guys to have a chance of MAYBE completing our backlogs.

Fuck, I even have a few NES games I haven't got around to yet.
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_Near_
01/31/18 3:56:28 PM
#47:


Nolan Bushnell has issued a statement apologizing if my personal actions or the actions of anyone who ever worked with me offended or caused pain, and said that he applaud[s] the GDC for ensuring that their institution reflects what is right, specially with regards to how people should be treated in the workplace.


funny how the dude understands what the movement is about but bitter nerds ITT still can't wrap their head around it
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TheGrindery
01/31/18 3:58:42 PM
#48:


_Near_ posted...
Nolan Bushnell has issued a statement apologizing if my personal actions or the actions of anyone who ever worked with me offended or caused pain, and said that he applaud[s] the GDC for ensuring that their institution reflects what is right, specially with regards to how people should be treated in the workplace.


funny how the dude understands what the movement is about but bitter nerds ITT still can't wrap their head around it

That or he knows nothing good can come of arguing so he chose the fastest route to peace and quiet. Look who he'd be arguing with.
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Resolution
01/31/18 3:59:00 PM
#49:


_Near_ posted...
Nolan Bushnell has issued a statement apologizing if my personal actions or the actions of anyone who ever worked with me offended or caused pain, and said that he applaud[s] the GDC for ensuring that their institution reflects what is right, specially with regards to how people should be treated in the workplace.


funny how the dude understands what the movement is about but bitter nerds ITT still can't wrap their head around it

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AdviceMan
01/31/18 4:02:33 PM
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The dude got to have pool parties while creating video games and bang hot women. If what he has to pay is not getting a symbolic award later that 99% of you don't care about whatsoever, then please, he got off easy, especially consider he's basically admitted to workplace harassment.

I agree that he probably realized that being anything less than gracious is more trouble than it's worth, but please.
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