Current Events > Wait women at the women's march were anti-trans?

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That is a very illiberal view.

There is also the case of liberals angry at politicians for caving during the shutdown. Are liberals losing that famous solidarity? Once liberals break up, and have infighting; conservatives are going to have a huuuuge advantage over them since, liberals aren't used to debating, they just shout them down with numbers, powerful media friends, and algorithmic social media bias.

2018's gonna be a fun year. Liberals going to start growing up.
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feminists are such a mess

actually... there are an unfortunate number of feminists who are transphobic and many feminist groups take care to call such individuals (and groups) out as to not associate with them.

but yeah sure, feminists as a whole are a bad and a mess. ok.
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BTW I agree 100% with the sign.
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It's funny how much we see people thinking that the world is pandering to Trans people. Trans Men and Women are typically not accepted anywhere, or by any groups.

It's going to be a long time before they are anywhere as tolerated as gays and lesbians if ever.

The issues these women are trying to address are completely different from anything a transgender woman experiences. You can't relate to their problems if you were biologically male for your entire life up to adulthood.
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Very_Unreliable posted...

BTW I agree 100% with the sign.

I can't believe you, your Very Unreliable.

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

It's funny how much we see people thinking that the world is pandering to Trans people. Trans Men and Women are typically not accepted anywhere, or by any groups.

It's going to be a long time before they are anywhere as tolerated as gays and lesbians if ever.

Well you know what... it's gonna happen faster than you think if straight men keep "down-low" banging them and people start to realize how common it is....
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feminists have no consistency.

that is why they fail.

Very_Unreliable posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

It's funny how much we see people thinking that the world is pandering to Trans people. Trans Men and Women are typically not accepted anywhere, or by any groups.

It's going to be a long time before they are anywhere as tolerated as gays and lesbians if ever.

Well you know what... it's gonna happen faster than you think if straight men keep "down-low" banging them and people start to realize how common it is....

I don't see that happening. There are some people who believe that trans women are the same as any other women, but the number is very low, I had a poll here that showed that straight out.

There are tons of trans women who pass and no one would ever know they are trans and never will really, but if it were to ever get out it would ensure they would never be able to live their life the same way again, the amount of hate is staggering to be honest.

And apparently she didn't get the memo that the pink hats are racist and sexist.
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The Admiral posted...

The issues these women are trying to address are completely different from anything a transgender woman experiences. You can't relate to their problems if you were biologically male for your entire life up to adulthood.

i'm friends with a trans woman who i knew while she identified as male until age 28

since transitioning she has experienced many things common to the female experience and absolutely can relate to the problems being addressed by the womens' marches

she'd be pretty upset if she saw this sign

Very_Unreliable posted...

BTW I agree 100% with the sign.

really, you agree that 'trans ideology' is misogynist?
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Well, it is already gaining traction faster than ever before which is nice. There will always be holdouts of any belief, as should be evident by the number of niche cults here and there all over. The world is moving towards trans-inclusion, even if pockets here and there are resisting.
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todays radfems are notorious for being TERFs (anti-trans)
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Very_Unreliable posted...

BTW I agree 100% with the sign.

This, though TERFs are kinda douchey about it.
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Amazon_Shampoo posted...

It's funny how much we see people thinking that the world is pandering to Trans people. Trans Men and Women are typically not accepted anywhere, or by any groups.

It's going to be a long time before they are anywhere as tolerated as gays and lesbians if ever.

Those things aren't equivalent. Homosexuality is not a medical disorder that requires a lifetime of treatments and surgeries. The LGBT movement dropped the ball hard trying to pretend transgenderism is just an normal, alternative gender expression. People aren't buying that, nor are they buying this fantasyland idea that transwomen are the same as biological women.
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The Admiral posted...

The issues these women are trying to address are completely different from anything a transgender woman experiences. You can't relate to their problems if you were biologically male for your entire life up to adulthood.

I strongly disagree with this, and while I don't want to invalidate your world view I know my best friend in the whole world is a trans girl and she is just like me in nearly every way. We face the same world and are viewed the same, in fact she might have it slightly better as she is not open about being trans so no one knows, and I'm a lesbian so I get judgment there that she doesn't.

Darkman124 posted...

since transitioning she has experienced many things common to the female experience and absolutely can relate to the problems being addressed by the womens' marches

She can't understand, nor will she ever understand, the threat to women's reproductive rights or specific aspects of women's health that are always major issues at these protests.
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SJWism has gotten so extreme, they're cannibalizing themselves.

All according to keikaku
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The Admiral posted...

She can't understand, nor will she ever understand, the threat to women's reproductive rights or specific aspects of women's health that are always major issues at these protests.

these are not the full and exclusive purposes of the womens' marches, even if they are a major element of them

and sure, she doesn't ever run the risk of needing an abortion--but she is married to a woman and is capable of listening.

i do not agree with the view that because someone does not personally suffer from a problem they 'cannot understand' the problem from others' viewpoint
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"Truth is not hate"

I dig it
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TERFs are awful.

The Admiral posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

It's funny how much we see people thinking that the world is pandering to Trans people. Trans Men and Women are typically not accepted anywhere, or by any groups.

It's going to be a long time before they are anywhere as tolerated as gays and lesbians if ever.

Those things aren't equivalent. Homosexuality is not a medical disorder that requires a lifetime of treatments and surgeries. The LGBT movement dropped the ball hard trying to pretend transgenderism is just an normal, alternative gender expression. People aren't buying that, nor are they buying this fantasyland idea that transwomen are the same as biological women.

Are you at the view point that having an alternate sexual preference is not even close to being in the same class as having an alternate gender preference? Not saying I wholly disagree, just wondering if that's the view your expressing.

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

The Admiral posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

It's funny how much we see people thinking that the world is pandering to Trans people. Trans Men and Women are typically not accepted anywhere, or by any groups.

It's going to be a long time before they are anywhere as tolerated as gays and lesbians if ever.

Those things aren't equivalent. Homosexuality is not a medical disorder that requires a lifetime of treatments and surgeries. The LGBT movement dropped the ball hard trying to pretend transgenderism is just an normal, alternative gender expression. People aren't buying that, nor are they buying this fantasyland idea that transwomen are the same as biological women.

Are you at the view point that having an alternate sexual preference is not even close to being in the same class as having an alternate gender preference? Not saying I wholly disagree, just wondering if that's the view your expressing.

I'm saying one is a medical disorder and one isn't. This is like comparing brown eyes eyes to diabetes. There is no logical connection except the arbitrary lumping under the LGBT umbrella.
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There are feminists extreme enough that even their own children, if they're male, they look at with resentment, fear and hate. Think about how fucked up you'd have to be, to think like that about your own child.

So it's no surprise they'd hate the idea of someone born in a male body becoming seen in the eyes of people as female.
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TERF's and Radfam's exist. However they are a loud minority most at the woman's march were not anti Trans.
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The Admiral posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

The Admiral posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

It's funny how much we see people thinking that the world is pandering to Trans people. Trans Men and Women are typically not accepted anywhere, or by any groups.

It's going to be a long time before they are anywhere as tolerated as gays and lesbians if ever.

Those things aren't equivalent. Homosexuality is not a medical disorder that requires a lifetime of treatments and surgeries. The LGBT movement dropped the ball hard trying to pretend transgenderism is just an normal, alternative gender expression. People aren't buying that, nor are they buying this fantasyland idea that transwomen are the same as biological women.

Are you at the view point that having an alternate sexual preference is not even close to being in the same class as having an alternate gender preference? Not saying I wholly disagree, just wondering if that's the view your expressing.

I'm saying one is a medical disorder and one isn't. This is like comparing brown eyes eyes to diabetes. There is no logical connection except the arbitrary lumping under the LGBT umbrella.

There is in a way, it's non fetish alternate life styles that people are born with. Unless your of the opinion that once transitioned a trans person is the target gender, then I guess it would no longer be an alternate life style.

Or do you just lump it into mental illness? If so why not Gay and Lesbian as well?

Sorry if I am coming off augmentative at all, I actually enjoy speaking to people who have strong thoughts on subjects like this as it offers a unique experience, but I don't want to offend you or anything.

Fuck TERFs
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darkjedilink posted...

Very_Unreliable posted...

BTW I agree 100% with the sign.

This, though TERFs are kinda douchey about it.

It's not any less douchey when you guys do it.
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Darkman124 posted...

The Admiral posted...

She can't understand, nor will she ever understand, the threat to women's reproductive rights or specific aspects of women's health that are always major issues at these protests.

these are not the full and exclusive purposes of the womens' marches, even if they are a major element of them

and sure, she doesn't ever run the risk of needing an abortion--but she is married to a woman and is capable of listening.

i do not agree with the view that because someone does not personally suffer from a problem they 'cannot understand' the problem from others' viewpoint

yea but if all your trans friend can do is listen to and empathize with women, how does that provide any differentiation from a straight cisgender man? a straight married man can listen to his wife and empathize with her, but does that instantly mean that his position is inherently more important to the cause?
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The 'control left' is eating itself, via infighting and balkanization that's just a natural outcome of the so-called "oppression olympics".
In another generation or two, we'll swing back to moralist busybodies and outraged moms being the principal societal annoyers again.

Romulox28 posted...

yea but if all your trans friend can do is listen to and empathize with women, how does that provide any differentiation from a straight cisgender man? a straight married man can listen to his wife and empathize with her, but does that instantly mean that his position is inherently more important to the cause?

she lives a number of non-reproductive related problems the marches are against, incl harassment

but this isnt even about whether trans women are more important to 'the cause' than men

it's apparently whether their very existence and request for treatment as people is 'misogynist', and whether their request to be a part of the path to a solution on the issues they do experience is valid, which seems simple to answer
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Nothing worse than a bigoted liberal.

They bear the weight of a conservative bigot, plus the added wrong of hypocrisy.

The only part I agree with is that being a man or woman is not a feeling, a costume or a performance of a stereotype.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Nothing worse than a bigoted liberal.

They bear the weight of a conservative bigot, plus the added wrong of hypocrisy.

Or, you know, say completely rational things like "people who are biologically male don't experience many of the same problems as people who are biologically female."

And they most certainly don't. Many, if not the majority, of issues at the women's protest don't apply to transgenders.
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The Admiral posted...

Or, you know, say completely rational things like "people who are biologically male don't experience many of the same problems as people who are biologically female."

the hell does that mean?

Questionmarktarius posted...

The Admiral posted...

Or, you know, say completely rational things like "people who are biologically male don't experience many of the same problems as people who are biologically female."

the hell does that mean?

That means transwomen don't have to deal with issues like abortion rights, healthcare providers not covering birth control, the "pink tax," sexual harassment starting when they're teenagers, general workplace sexism (note: transgenders are harassed also, but not in the same way), or a most of the #metoo-related issues that have come up lately.

So those feminists are absolutely right to reject the notion that they're the same.
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Radical feminists are some of the least tolerant people around
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Props to that woman for standing up for the truth, even when she's going to get hated on for saying it.
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This topic is all sorts of bad. TERFs aren't new, and neither is activists being pissed at the Democratic Party's spineless bullshit.
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Very_Unreliable posted...

Are liberals losing that famous solidarity?

Feminists don't care for trans individuals, and homophobia is still very much a thing in minority communities.

The only solidarity liberals have is that they don't like conservatives, and vice versa.
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Women being physically different from men is also a biological reality. Just pointing that out. Terfs are the worst of feminism.
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"Trans ideology is homophobic"

Uh... what?

Vertania posted...

"Trans ideology is homophobic"

Uh... what?

TERFs, man.
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The Admiral posted...

That means transwomen don't have to deal with issues like abortion rights, healthcare providers not covering birth control, the "pink tax," sexual harassment starting when they're teenagers, general workplace sexism (note: transgenders are harassed also, but not in the same way), or a most of the #metoo-related issues that have come up lately.

So those feminists are absolutely right to reject the notion that they're the same.

In the Olympics of Discrimination transwomen experience FAR worse than women.

You'd think feminists wouldn't see transwomen as a threat but simply another group fighting for equal treatment. Isn't that the ultimate goal? Provide equal opportunity and treatment to all human beings?

But then again Martin Luther King Jr was a rabid homophobe so who knows. Maybe people are just selfishly fighting for their own self-interests.

clearaflagrantj posted...

You'd think feminists wouldn't see transwomen as a threat but simply another group fighting for equal treatment. Isn't that the ultimate goal? Provide equal opportunity and treatment to all human beings?

I think most feminists agree with this! TERFs are a minority in the movement.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Maybe people are just selfishly fighting for their own self-interests.

"maybe"?

clearaflagrantj posted...

Maybe people are just selfishly fighting for their own self-interests.

That's the one. Almost no one on the left actually wants/cares about true equality, nor actually opposes bigotry. They just want their team, or whatever team makes them feel most virtuous, to have their victory and that's it.
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Tmk posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Maybe people are just selfishly fighting for their own self-interests.

That's the one. Almost no one on the left actually wants/cares about true equality, nor actually opposes bigotry. They just want their team, or whatever team makes them feel most virtuous, to have their victory and that's it.

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