Current Events > Why is Aziz Ansari being being treated differently with his accusations?

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everyone else has been treated like they were guilty until proven innocent but now people are reacting to Aziz with innocent until proven guilty and are actually defending him

What's the deal?
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It's because the woman preferred red wine.
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I think it's the story itself, from what I read it was one girl and they were out on a date together and drinks were had. Sounds more like he got drunk acted like an idiot and came on too strong and we have all been there before.
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People are able to weigh accusations. Sly Stallone is still doing fine as well, and he was accused of gang raping a teenager. James Franco seems like he'll probably recover. Ben Affleck is fine. The only people who have had their careers ended were those who were known serial abusers.
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Maybe you just looked at the other side of the coin without even realizing

I personally give a damn about all those allegiations, as long as they are not proven they are just that allegations

That said, I have no idea who that guy is.
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Because his story was vastly different than what #metoo means
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Because she blew him twice over the course of hours (and received) before she decided to leave. He did nothing to prevent her from leaving. Clear cut case of regret.
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Takei emerged virtually unscathed too.
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It's literally because he isn't white. The first article talking about the story negatively literally said it was 'dangerous' that the #MeToo movement has now been pointed at people of color.
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Because the story from the accuser is just stupid

It's not even that she's lying, it's that her story clearly isn't abuse or harassment at all.
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Doom_Art posted...

Because the story from the accuser is just stupid

It's not even that she's lying, it's that her story clearly isn't abuse or harassment at all.

Except #MeToo has gone after at least one man who was accused of 'secretly removing a condom' during consentual sex. Another person was accused of 'flirting,' and yet another accused of 'taking credit for ideas of women of color.'

What Ansari admitted to is worse.
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darkjedilink posted...

accused of 'secretly removing a condom'

I don't see why you're downplaying how fucked up that is.
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Doom_Art posted...

Because the story from the accuser is just stupid

It's not even that she's lying, it's that her story clearly isn't abuse or harassment at all.

This.

It's just that she had a bad date. But she still went back to his place, did stuff with him, even when he asked, she still did stuff. Then the next day, she explained her POV and he apologized right away. He didn't force her in any way. He might be into some weird foreplay stuff, but she went along with it.

A guy and a girl going on a date and them messing around and not hitting it off is not "sexual assault". That just means you had a crappy time, which happens in the dating world.

lilORANG posted...

People are able to weigh accusations. Sly Stallone is still doing fine as well, and he was accused of gang raping a teenager. James Franco seems like he'll probably recover. Ben Affleck is fine. The only people who have had their careers ended were those who were known serial abusers.

It's kinda fucked up that everyone just kinda "forgot" about Stallone
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darkjedilink posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Because the story from the accuser is just stupid

It's not even that she's lying, it's that her story clearly isn't abuse or harassment at all.

Except #MeToo has gone after at least one man who was accused of 'secretly removing a condom' during consentual sex. Another person was accused of 'flirting,' and yet another accused of 'taking credit for ideas of women of color.'

What Ansari admitted to is worse.

First off, removing a condom during sex is dumb. He seems like the kind of stand up guy who'd get her pregnant then never see/support the child.

Second, source for your 'flirting' article?

Third, you sure do have a hate boner for minorities, eh?
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COVxy posted...

darkjedilink posted...

accused of 'secretly removing a condom'

I don't see why you're downplaying how fucked up that is.

Because there's nothing more than the accusation.

You think someone should have their lives upended on nothing more than the mere accusation of such?
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COVxy posted...

darkjedilink posted...

accused of 'secretly removing a condom'

I don't see why you're downplaying how fucked up that is.

This.

UnfairRepresent posted...

lilORANG posted...

People are able to weigh accusations. Sly Stallone is still doing fine as well, and he was accused of gang raping a teenager. James Franco seems like he'll probably recover. Ben Affleck is fine. The only people who have had their careers ended were those who were known serial abusers.

It's kinda fucked up that everyone just kinda "forgot" about Stallone

Nick Carter is doing just fine too. His fans defended him on twitter.

Doom_Art posted...

Because the story from the accuser is just stupid

It's not even that she's lying, it's that her story clearly isn't abuse or harassment at all.

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darkjedilink posted...

It's literally because he isn't white. The first article talking about the story negatively literally said it was 'dangerous' that the #MeToo movement has now been pointed at people of color.

Link to article, please. Bill Cosby was the first true target of #metoo, even if that hashtag wasn't used back when the story broke.

Eat More Beef posted...

First off, removing a condom during sex is dumb. He seems like the kind of stand up guy who'd get her pregnant then never see/support the child.

I agree, if true. Still a long way from sexual assault.

Second, source for your 'flirting' article?

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/15/margaret-atwood-feminist-backlash-metoo

Pointing out legitimate problems with the movement is bad.

At least, if the accused is a white man.

Third, you sure do have a hate boner for minorities, eh?

Can't argue the point, I see.
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Ammonitida posted...

darkjedilink posted...

It's literally because he isn't white. The first article talking about the story negatively literally said it was 'dangerous' that the #MeToo movement has now been pointed at people of color.

Link to article, please. Bill Cosby was the first true target of #metoo, even if that hashtag wasn't used back when the story broke.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/

There's a thread on it on the front page.
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Ammonitida posted...

darkjedilink posted...

It's literally because he isn't white. The first article talking about the story negatively literally said it was 'dangerous' that the #MeToo movement has now been pointed at people of color.

Link to article, please. Bill Cosby was the first true target of #metoo, even if that hashtag wasn't used back when the story broke.

This the Bill Cosby thing was metoo before the crap existed
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Well there's a huge difference between what Weinstein did and what Aziz did. Weinstein was widely known as a sexual abuser, even by people who weren't his victims, they just worked under him or around him and saw things like the woman on the boat who claimed he tried to get her and everyone else was like "That's Harvey, the silly goose."

The story here shows a reluctance, but not a rejection, of her being with Aziz in certain ways. He should've picked up on that, but he might've been desperate or whatever, because it seems he pushed her just not in the way that sexual abusers push, just a dude pestering for action repeatedly.
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M_Live posted...

darkjedilink posted...

It's literally because he isn't white. The first article talking about the story negatively literally said it was 'dangerous' that the #MeToo movement has now been pointed at people of color.

There always has to be one of these.

The last paragraph of the article I posted explicitly states it.
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XXmiznatorXX posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Because the story from the accuser is just stupid

It's not even that she's lying, it's that her story clearly isn't abuse or harassment at all.

This.

It's just that she had a bad date. But she still went back to his place, did stuff with him, even when he asked, she still did stuff. Then the next day, she explained her POV and he apologized right away. He didn't force her in any way. He might be into some weird foreplay stuff, but she went along with it.

A guy and a girl going on a date and them messing around and not hitting it off is not "sexual assault". That just means you had a crappy time, which happens in the dating world.

that is not really what i got from her story

this is her story

https://babe.net/2018/01/13/aziz-ansari-28355

the question in my mind is "was she bullshitting"

if we assume no, he didn't behave in a criminally wrong way but in a foolishly aggressive way, one he ought to have known better than to do

i hate to ever agree with valenti but if her story is 100% accurate and we view it as 'normal' then normal isn't working
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darkjedilink posted...

Except #MeToo has gone after at least one man who was accused of 'secretly removing a condom' during consentual sex.

Dude, depending on the circumstances, you could be charged with manslaughter that way. In a hypothetical scenario, if you contracted HIV and you and your partner consented under the understanding that you use a condom, and you intentionally slipped it off, they would have a solid case against you for intentionally trying to infect them.
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Because the lady comes across as batshit crazy. She literally comments that Aziz poured her a glass of wine without asking her what type of wine she preferred as part of the reason why it was the worst night of her life
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Sad_Face posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Except #MeToo has gone after at least one man who was accused of 'secretly removing a condom' during consentual sex.

Dude, depending on the circumstances, you could be charged with manslaughter that way. In a hypothetical scenario, if you contracted HIV and you and your partner consented under the understanding that you use a condom, and you intentionally slipped it off, they would have a solid case against you for intentionally trying to infect them.

So, because of your hypothetical scenario, everyone accused of doing that needs to have their lives destroyed with ZERO evidence?
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daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Because the lady comes across as batshit crazy. She literally comments that Aziz poured her a glass of wine without asking her what type of wine she preferred as part of the reason why it was the worst night of her life

i did not get that impression from the full text of the story which i posted in this topic
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Darkman124 posted...

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Because the lady comes across as batshit crazy. She literally comments that Aziz poured her a glass of wine without asking her what type of wine she preferred as part of the reason why it was the worst night of her life

i did not get that impression from the full text of the story which i posted in this topic

The wine part was clearly meant to help frame get narrative about how the night was everything she didn't want being forced into her. It probably sounded melodramatic while the feminist writer was crafting the article.

The scathing NY Times rebuttal was the best take I've read on this.
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Darkman124 posted...

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Because the lady comes across as batshit crazy. She literally comments that Aziz poured her a glass of wine without asking her what type of wine she preferred as part of the reason why it was the worst night of her life

i did not get that impression from the full text of the story which i posted in this topic

The impression I got is that she's a psycho and is trying to humiliate Aziz, who did absolutely nothing wrong.
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darkjedilink posted...

Sad_Face posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Except #MeToo has gone after at least one man who was accused of 'secretly removing a condom' during consentual sex.

Dude, depending on the circumstances, you could be charged with manslaughter that way. In a hypothetical scenario, if you contracted HIV and you and your partner consented under the understanding that you use a condom, and you intentionally slipped it off, they would have a solid case against you for intentionally trying to infect them.

So, because of your hypothetical scenario, everyone accused of doing that needs to have their lives destroyed with ZERO evidence?

I don't recall implying such a thing. For you to be charged, there has to be reasonable amounts of evidence to begin with. The police aren't going to willynilly slap manslaughter charges.
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This isn't really about being guilty in a criminal court, it's about being guilty in the court of public appearance. For Aziz, his livelihood and everything he's busted his ass to earn his entire life can be taken away overnight simply due to some anonymous person complaining that she has regrets about a date. If that doesn't strike you as potentially problematic, I think your idea of fairness needs some tweaking.
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The Admiral posted...

This isn't really about being guilty in a criminal court, it's about being guilty in the court of public appearance. For Aziz, his livelihood and everything he's busted his ass to earn his entire life can be taken away overnight simply due to some anonymous person complaining that she has regrets about a date. If that doesn't strike you as potentially problematic, I think your idea of fairness needs some tweaking.

Given that his career is based on entertaining people, I don't see the problem if people no longer want to support him based on a new perception of him. It's their time and money. That being said, are people really taking her seriously? I'm hearing a lot more conversation about her being at fault for giving mixed signals (she says no, but then she sucks his dick, twice) and Aziz overstepping his boundaries in terms of courtesy, not laws. Overall, the debates are pretty positive in the sense that there are good points to both sides to the argument, so I can't see him losing his career over this. Or is this controversy not the norm outside of this site?
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These accusations have gone from being trapped in a room with a guy masturbating in front of you, to a woman regretting consensual sex. Women like Aziz's accuser are just blurring the lines between real sexual assault and feeling uncomfortable.
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Because this an open and shut case of regret and nothing more.
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